[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52220453]I'm sorry but when you're actively lying and fabricating statistics to form the base of your argument at that point [B]you have to know your argument has no substance.[/B]
There are valid arguments for gun control but "the childrens!!!11" isn't one.[/QUOTE]
I think it's more regurgitated ignorance than willful lies. Of course, the liars exist and will deny anything to the death. But, most people I actually have intelligent conversations with end up easing their views after I explain to them how things work, why certain things are overhyped, and I think it just makes more sense to them before.
Having to explain to people that the AR-15 (.223/5.56) is not an overpowered round is probably one of the most common things I did. I usually tell them that that round is barely legal to hunt deer with in many states, isn't "armor-piercing", and has a hard time passing through drywall. Usually they will get the point, and the only thing that is a big mental hurdle would just be their innate fear of firearms, which is usually a product of being unaware of them for so long.
I don't expect people to be educated like I am on guns, but I expect everyone to have an openness to learning about them. That applies to anything in life really.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52222950]There are so many guns I want and I can't decide what to get next. The P90 has only increased my bullpup love.
I wanted an AK-47 or 74 with wooden furniture, mostly because they're beautiful and they're indestructible. Then I wanted to pick up an AR in .22LR to have something cheap to shoot, and then I wanted a nice big revolver that looks like the Colt Python.
Now I'm really thinking about picking up an AUG at some point..[/QUOTE]
I'd go for the next cheapest one on the list. If you want a big revolver, buy either a Ruger GP100, or a S&W 686.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52222950]There are so many guns I want and I can't decide what to get next. The P90 has only increased my bullpup love.
I wanted an AK-47 or 74 with wooden furniture, mostly because they're beautiful and they're indestructible. Then I wanted to pick up an AR in .22LR to have something cheap to shoot, and then I wanted a nice big revolver that looks like the Colt Python.
Now I'm really thinking about picking up an AUG at some point..[/QUOTE]
Build a Groza instead.
If those airsoft Grozas were cheaper I would totally pick one up as a reference for building the real deal. I think I recall reading that the red wolf ones were duplicated from a real one in Ukraine. The bullpup trigger conversions already exist, you'd just need to figure out how to clone the sights/carry handle, side plate, and stock piece, so having the airsoft one for reference would be useful.
Can-ready Groza replica in .300 BLK... :drool:
[editline]13th May 2017[/editline]
Anyway, I think you could custom build a good Groza replica for what you'd spend on an AUG. That includes finding the airsoft Groza to use as a pattern.
I finally got around to shooting my AR today to get it sighted in when all of a sudden it stopped cycling. I can't find anything wrong from just quickly stripping it but I'm thinking the gas block came loose because not even the hammer was getting reset.
What type of ammo were you shooting through it? Brand, weight, etc...
Saw a used 4" Colt Python on sale at a local store. The finish looked a bit worn but the price was at $2099.00. Assuming it passes inspection, would that be considered a good deal or should I just look for something else?
Feels like I'm possibly making a mistake in not grabbing it now, but I was originally just looking for a PTR 91.
Was it short stroking at all when it started having issues? Still ejecting the brass correctly until it stopped? One thing I've noticed with mine is with lighter loads and heavier bullets the casings will eject more backwards and slower while hotter loads will go more forwards. Could be ammo related where it's causing issues with the impingement.
[QUOTE=Ridge;52224225]What type of ammo were you shooting through it? Brand, weight, etc...[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.brownells.com/ammunition/rifle-ammo/american-eagle-tactical-ammo-5-56x45mm-nato-55gr-xm193-prod96109.aspx?avs|Manufacturer_1=federal&avs|Price+Per+Round_1=%24*%2b-%2b%24xzzx50"]This[/URL] was the ammo I was using. Dunno if its good or bad.
[QUOTE=mastoner20;52224282]Was it short stroking at all when it started having issues? Still ejecting the brass correctly until it stopped? One thing I've noticed with mine is with lighter loads and heavier bullets the casings will eject more backwards and slower while hotter loads will go more forwards. Could be ammo related where it's causing issues with the impingement.[/QUOTE]
It went from cycling perfectly to not cycling at all. If the BCG was going back it wasn't going far enough to reset the hammer. Handguard was getting pretty hot but other than that there was nothing I noticed before it happened. Brass was ejecting probably between 3 and 4, some of it actually ended up hitting the wall next to me and ending up on the table.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;52224281]some revolver[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;52224281]at $2099.00[/QUOTE]
:scream: why would a used revolver cost that much?
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;52224281]Saw a used 4" Colt Python on sale at a local store. The finish looked a bit worn but the price was at $2099.00. Assuming it passes inspection, would that be considered a good deal or should I just look for something else?
Feels like I'm possibly making a mistake in not grabbing it now, but I was originally just looking for a PTR 91.[/QUOTE]
Unless youre gonna stick the thing in a glass case and never touch it again, dont buy a python. Buy literally any other revolver for a 5th of the price.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;52224281]Saw a used 4" Colt Python on sale at a local store. The finish looked a bit worn but the price was at $2099.00. Assuming it passes inspection, would that be considered a good deal or should I just look for something else?
Feels like I'm possibly making a mistake in not grabbing it now, but I was originally just looking for a PTR 91.[/QUOTE]
Dude, get the PTR. It's like half the price and over three times the fun.
Besides, revolvers belong in the early 20th century :v:
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;52224281]Saw a used 4" Colt Python on sale at a local store. The finish looked a bit worn but the price was at $2099.00. Assuming it passes inspection, would that be considered a good deal or should I just look for something else?
Feels like I'm possibly making a mistake in not grabbing it now, but I was originally just looking for a PTR 91.[/QUOTE]
Pass. Price is too high and there will be enough out on the market when the old folks start kicking the can. Grab the PTR91. Better value for your money.
I just got back from the range by the way. Shot my first five reloads. All but one ended up in the 3-inch circle at 25 meters.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52224744]I just got back from the range by the way. Shot my first five reloads. All but one ended up in the 3-inch circle at 25 meters.[/QUOTE]
What caliber/what gun?
get the PTR and join the cult of heckler and koch
Anyone has exp. with Jericho's or Taurus PT (Beretta 92 clone) ?
I am choosing between them
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;52224754]What caliber/what gun?[/QUOTE]
I loaded .223 from used military brass, headstamped FC 15. Hornady 55 grain FMJ-BT projectile, 19.5 grains of H322 for the propellant, using CCI No. 41 Military primers.
Shot out of a Ruger AR556 with 16.5 inch barrel, 1:8 twist.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;52224367][URL="http://www.brownells.com/ammunition/rifle-ammo/american-eagle-tactical-ammo-5-56x45mm-nato-55gr-xm193-prod96109.aspx?avs|Manufacturer_1=federal&avs|Price+Per+Round_1=%24*%2b-%2b%24xzzx50"]This[/URL] was the ammo I was using. Dunno if its good or bad.
It went from cycling perfectly to not cycling at all. If the BCG was going back it wasn't going far enough to reset the hammer. Handguard was getting pretty hot but other than that there was nothing I noticed before it happened. Brass was ejecting probably between 3 and 4, some of it actually ended up hitting the wall next to me and ending up on the table.[/QUOTE]
How many rounds before the handguard started to heat up? If it was only about five to ten rounds done over a few minutes, it sounds like the gas key is actually loose and expelling the gasses into the handguard area instead of down the gas tube. It usually takes my rifle about two mags for the metal guard to start transfering heat.
Also, depending on your stock and your buffer, you may be able to feel the recoil if the BCG is being driven back. I know in mine when I switched to my strikeforce BCG I could really feel the spring snap back into place against my shoulder. One thing to help keep in mind if it's stroking fully or not. But to me it still sounds like there's either an issue with the key itself or a crack in the gas tube causing it to expend the gasses way early and not stroke at all.
Also, I assume it wasn't ejecting the rounds on its own, so you had to cycle yourself. Were you having issues with the trigger reseting while manually stroking, or just when the gun cycled? If so, it could be a sear issues or similar issue with the trigger assembly.
[editline]13th May 2017[/editline]
Also, I shoot that Federal ammo all the time. I wouldn't call it top shelf, but it's definitely not Tul. I don't think it's going to be ammo related, unless you noticed a lot of squib loads, which I've personally never had with Federal.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;52224777]Anyone has exp. with Jericho's or Taurus PT (Beretta 92 clone) ?
I am choosing between them[/QUOTE]
Neither
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52224849]I loaded .223 from used military brass, headstamped FC 15. Hornady 55 grain FMJ-BT projectile, 19.5 grains of H322 for the propellant, using CCI No. 41 Military primers.
Shot out of a Ruger AR556 with 16.5 inch barrel, 1:8 twist.[/QUOTE]
Get some bullet weights in the 60's. That will work much better in the 1:8 barrel.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;52224367][URL="http://www.brownells.com/ammunition/rifle-ammo/american-eagle-tactical-ammo-5-56x45mm-nato-55gr-xm193-prod96109.aspx?avs|Manufacturer_1=federal&avs|Price+Per+Round_1=%24*%2b-%2b%24xzzx50"]This[/URL] was the ammo I was using. Dunno if its good or bad.
It went from cycling perfectly to not cycling at all. If the BCG was going back it wasn't going far enough to reset the hammer. Handguard was getting pretty hot but other than that there was nothing I noticed before it happened. Brass was ejecting probably between 3 and 4, some of it actually ended up hitting the wall next to me and ending up on the table.[/QUOTE]
Is your gas block a clamp on, or does it use cross pins? The ammo should be fine, how many times did you fire it and experience that? Were they all consecutive? Is your bolt/carrier lubed?
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52224849]I loaded .223 from used military brass, headstamped FC 15. Hornady 55 grain FMJ-BT projectile, 19.5 grains of H322 for the propellant, using CCI No. 41 Military primers.
Shot out of a Ruger AR556 with 16.5 inch barrel, 1:8 twist.[/QUOTE]
Watch that FC brass for signs of case head separation if you plan on reloading it multiple times. also some FC brass has thicker case walls and therefor has over-pressure issues the military stuff usually doesn't have this issue but something to watch out for.
also starting low is a good idea but you can safely get up to 22.4 grains with H322 hodgdon recommends 21.0 as a starting load. one of my favorite loads for 55's is 26 grains of varget (I really like varget powder use it for pretty much everything I can haven't found a situation where it doesn't preform comparably or better than other powders) hornady 55 V-max usually LC09 brass CCI 400 primers at 2.200 (some load data recommends 2.250) C.O.L I wouldn't recommend starting with this load but if you feel like experimenting at some point work up to it and see if you like it
[QUOTE=Zombinie;52224473]:scream: why would a used revolver cost that much?[/QUOTE]
Because Colt Pythons are overpriced pieces of shit.
Seriously, from what I've heard they go out of time the most frequently of the American revolvers, yet they cost more than twice an average 686 (4 times as much in Canada). I understand they had the best barrels, but if the timing fucks up so much more frequently compared to a S&W or Ruger then why the fuck would you even bother? You're paying an extra $1300 just to say you have a Colt revolver instead of a perfectly functional and accurate S&W. Frankly, I think it's just stupid to buy a Python instead of a 686, given what a Python costs, and the fact that it's really no better, hell it may even be worse.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;52225399]Because Colt Pythons are overpriced pieces of shit.
Seriously, from what I've heard they go out of time the most frequently of the American revolvers, yet they cost more than twice an average 686 (4 times as much in Canada). I understand they had the best barrels, but if the timing fucks up so much more frequently compared to a S&W or Ruger then why the fuck would you even bother? You're paying an extra $1300 just to say you have a Colt revolver instead of a perfectly functional and accurate S&W. Frankly, I think it's just stupid to buy a Python instead of a 686, given what a Python costs, and the fact that it's really no better, hell it may even be worse.[/QUOTE]
People who buy Pythons dont shoot them. Theyre collectible pistols and not extremly common to be sold. Theyre bought by people that grew up in the Dirty Harry era where a 44mag revolver was the coolest thing out there.
The Python is the Delorian of guns. Its a heavy piece of shit thats expensive to buy, maintain, and use, but boy is it fuckin' cool.
Ah thanks for the suggestions then. The appeal to it wasn't really about practicality, but more that it was rare and I wasn't too sure if I'd ever see another one at that price. Kinda like how SPAS 12 shotguns are rare and look awesome, but are kind of actually bad compared to modern shotguns I guess?
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;52225553]Ah thanks for the suggestions then. The appeal to it wasn't really about practicality, but more that it was rare and I wasn't too sure if I'd ever see another one at that price. Kinda like how SPAS 12 shotguns are rare and look awesome, but are kind of actually bad compared to modern shotguns I guess?[/QUOTE]
A SPAS is cheaper than a python. A guy on my local forum tried selling one for 1400 during Obama's presidency. never has any takers though, even when down to 1100. Had folding stock and hook.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;52225553]Ah thanks for the suggestions then. The appeal to it wasn't really about practicality, but more that it was rare and I wasn't too sure if I'd ever see another one at that price. Kinda like how SPAS 12 shotguns are rare and look awesome, but are kind of actually bad compared to modern shotguns I guess?[/QUOTE]
Its a cool gun but you really shouldnt buy one if you plan to shoot it or touch it more than once a decade. Theyre immensly valuable guns and its value will drop like a $100 every time you take it to the range.
[editline]14th May 2017[/editline]
You can get a blued 686, blackhawk, redhawk, GP*00 for a hell of a lot cheaper and still get the awesome revolver look.
[editline]14th May 2017[/editline]
$2k isnt a horrible price for one but its still outrageously expensive for a showcase pistol.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;52224777]Anyone has exp. with Jericho's or Taurus PT (Beretta 92 clone) ?
I am choosing between them[/QUOTE]
I've had some good experiences with Taurus's clone. Pretty much the only one I'd consider buying, although they've changed the pattern over time. Originally it was literally made on Beretta tooling with a taurus stamp.
So a real M203 is only like $1000, looks like getting a DD is my future
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;52226275]So a real M203 is only like $1000, looks like getting a DD is my future[/QUOTE]
have fun feeding it
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