[QUOTE=Revenge282;51088713]I always wondered, but if I mirror this horizontally, would it apply for a left handed shooter?
Also, any recommendations on snap caps, or are all caps created equal?[/QUOTE]
Yes. As a left-handed shooter, your actions are mirroring a right-handed shooter. So thumbing would be the 9 oclock while jerking would be your 4:30 for instance. Your braking wrist up and down wouldn't change, however.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51089771]If you're testing feed and ejection, live ammunition or snap caps doesn't make a difference that I can imagine. If you're testing pin protrusion or making sure the pin is actually kept locked I don't see what a snap cap would do for you that just operating the gun dry wouldn't. If it slips and "fires" you'd know whether you had a snap cap or not.
I'm speaking from ignorance here about freshly built guns. I didn't notice he was talking about a newly-built gun specifically in my first reply but I'm not aware of any condition that would make a difference.[/QUOTE]
Even if it's not a freshly built home brew, why even take the risk? If you load a live round into a gun anywhere but a place where you can shoot, you're risking a ND when theres no reason for you to. Snap caps are a thing and spent casings are a thing, there is literally no excuse. It's especially dangerous in older guns with free floating firing pins; its a trillion to 1 risk, especially modern ammo, but why take the risk?
[editline]23rd September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51091374]
The way I see it, any time live ammunition is in the gun, there's a risk, yeah, but following the regular safety rules pretty much eliminates all risk of a negligent/accidental discharge.
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Loading ammo into a gun when you're not planning on shooting is the exact opposite of being safe. Taking unnecessary risks is unsafe, period, end of story. If theres ammo in the gun, theres the possibility for a negligent discharge, even if think you're being 100% safe and cautious. [b]Don't take the risk[/b].
Theres no such thing as an accidental discharge, if a round goes off without you intending for it to do so, then it's your own dumbasses' fault.
I own a bunch of guns and I don't want to spend ammo money on fake ammo. I run ammo through them so infrequently off the range that to me it's not worth spending 50 rounds' worth of ammo for 5 fake bullets. Why spend the money for something I'll never use? I'm only buying caps for my C96 because the last guy who tried to load it for the first time nearly shot himself in the foot with it when the bolt closed and scared him (he will never hold one of my firearms again).
5 snap caps isn't enough to function-test a magazine & 30 snap caps costs $120, I can use a spent casing to test an extractor/ejector, and I'm not worried about firing pin cushioning when dry-firing for drills. What do I need snap caps for except as dummies for training others on an esoteric weapon?
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51091982]I own a bunch of guns and I don't want to spend ammo money on fake ammo. I run ammo through them so infrequently off the range that to me it's not worth spending 50 rounds' worth of ammo for 5 fake bullets. Why spend the money for something I'll never use? I'm only buying caps for my C96 because the last guy who tried to load it for the first time nearly shot himself in the foot with it when the bolt closed and scared him (he will never hold one of my firearms again).
5 snap caps isn't enough to function-test a magazine & 30 snap caps costs $120, I can use a spent casing to test an extractor/ejector, and I'm not worried about firing pin cushioning when dry-firing for drills. What do I need snap caps for except as dummies for training others on an esoteric weapon?[/QUOTE]
If you're not dry firing, doing function tests, doing FTF tests, or training yourself not to flinch, then obviously you don't need snap caps. But just like the situation you just described, if you had bought a $15 product, then the risk of your inexperienced friend (who you put a gun in his hands without proper training) would have had no risk of blowing his own foot off.
If you can't afford $10 or $15 then maybe you shouldn't be buying guns. If you're going to risk your safety because it's not worth the money, then you need to spend your money more wisely. Ask yourself this, which is more expensive; $15 worth of snap caps so you can occasionally test guns or teach people how to properly load them, or a lawsuit for when a hole suddenly appears in your wall because you were too stingy to spend $15?
I already bought the caps for the C96 for that specific singular purpose because of that exact incident. I can't imagine any other reason to do so within the context of my use of firearms, which was the nature of my original post, a reply to "anyone use snap caps?"
It's not a matter of the price being too high, it's a matter of value. The next guy not freaking out and possibly shooting himself & throwing my $2000 pistol on the ground when the bolt closes automatically, scares him and causes him to pull the trigger on the now-live weapon, is worth $15. The infinitesimally small chance of an ND while once in a very very very very very rare while putting a live round in the chamber for the single function check which requires it - which at most, if I am handling the weapon correctly, will cost me a bit of spackle that I already have to patch the hole in the wall - isn't worth the potentially hundreds of dollars I'd be spending to get caps for all my guns.
The guy had been shooting already and was doing alright but he got nervous about the C96 and by the time I wanted to take it away from him he was already pulling the clip away. Loading a C96 isn't really something that requires a training course or nerves of steel or anything, just an explanation if you're unfamiliar with clip-fed guns, I have no idea why he reacted like he did but it was fucking dumb.
I can see using them in a situation as described by ilikecorn in a brand new, untested weapon which might experience a mechanical failure [I](accidental discharge)[/I]. This is a situation in which you are building probably more than one gun that could feasibly experience this failure and another $15 that goes a long way is worth the expense, however small. It also doesn't apply to me... Almost all of my guns are antiques that are well broken-in and reliable as fuck. I have never had a trigger group/firing pin malfunction with any of my weapons and if it ever happens it'll be under a condition where nobody is going to get hurt because I don't handle my guns like a cavalier. Why bother?
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUE1l-2yR3M[/media]
Hahahaha holy shit
tl;dw: don't buy anything by Century, they turn out cheap junk
Old news
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Meanwhile [url=https://www.apexgunparts.com/cetme-model-c-parts-kit-308-7-62mm.html]parts kits[/url] for the CETME C with a [url=http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/CETME-C-RECEIVER-FLAT-p3996.htm]receiver flat[/url] will run you less than a C308 will, and for 922r compliance you can swap out everything you need to squeeze some accuracy out of the platform.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51092311][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUE1l-2yR3M[/media]
Hahahaha holy shit
tl;dw: don't buy anything by Century, they turn out cheap junk[/QUOTE]
This is the reason why I sold mine.
Receiver flats aren't exactly expensive. Buy yourself several and throw your first one out if it's not perfect.
[QUOTE=download;51093705]Receiver flats aren't exactly expensive. Buy yourself several and throw your first one out if it's not perfect.[/QUOTE]
The flats aren't exactly the issue. It's the jig and the correct welds that usually catch people off guard. A jig that is off slightly or a bad weld will kill the project. There is some fine tuning that needs to be done to the receiver too once you get some tack welds done. A guy on the HKpro forums bought a CETME bolt carrier to help tweak HK91 receivers that he would build. Same was done for the 93's and 94's with the respective bolts used.
In my mind it would be worth it to just get a dozen flats and just start practicing your welds on them and nothing else.
This comes from a person who has never built or seen a G3 style firearm built. So take it as me talking out my ass.
Brand new Howard Leights are pretty nice feeling. The ones my range rents out are beat to hell and the pads are smashed flat. :v:
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51093596]Yea... Don't try to build any of the HK style weapons without knowing what your getting into. Its an absolute pain in the dick. By all means, if your confident in your abilities, go for it. But they're entirely different beasts.[/QUOTE]lmao it's just annoying, if you follow the instructions it's fucking piss easy.
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;51093926]The flats aren't exactly the issue. It's the jig and the correct welds that usually catch people off guard.[/QUOTE]My first one I goobered to hell and back with a pair of deep cycle truck batteries, jumper cables, and cheap rods. I just ground off everything that didn't look pretty and it held up just fine.
[QUOTE]A jig that is off slightly or a bad weld will kill the project.[/QUOTE]... I also didn't have a jig, I just eyeballed the thing and went slow while measuring constantly. I had a lot of wooden dowels and when I got it mostly all the way around I dropped in the bolt carrier to make sure everything lined up and bent it to fit the trunnion. (if you're wondering yes I did forget to buy the jig, it would have made my life way easier)
After all was said and done I had a genuine ghetto blaster, and I don't think that 2 MOA out of a G3/CETME is bad considering I did half of it drunk. Looked like pure shit though.
[editline]23rd September 2016[/editline]
You guys are blowing this way, way out of proportion, if you fuck up the weld or folding just get a new flat or accept your goof. Unless you REALLY fuck up by making a retarded deep cut into the barrel you'll be fine.
P.S. lead acid batteries can explode if you do bad things with them so a [url=https://www.amazon.com/Chicago-Electric-Welding-Systems-Welder/dp/B006ZB9DJM]cheap MIG welder[/url] is going to make your life easier. Cleaning up a battery just isn't the kind of mess that's fun so take my word for it.
Took a picture of my ARs today.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/qVnnfQk.jpg[/t]
Dominion Arms (Norinco) DA-556 14.5" barrel with some Belarussian PSOP fixed 8x scope on it, an Allen bipod, and a bayonet my dad has lying around. The stripped receiver is my "blemished" SFRC-15, branded after [url=http://theammosource.com/]this company.[/url]
New lower working great so far. Just need to get a layer of cerakote on it and I'll have another rifle on hand.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;51096490]Dominion Arms (Norinco) DA-556 14.5" barrel with some Belarussian PSOP fixed 8x scope on it, an Allen bipod, and a bayonet my dad has lying around. The stripped receiver is my "blemished" SFRC-15, branded after [url=http://theammosource.com/]this company.[/url][/QUOTE]How's that POSP work out for you?
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51096510]How's that POSP work out for you?[/QUOTE]
Despite the fact that one of the 4 teeth that hold it on the side of the rail on the other side of it is actually broken off, I can shoot about 3MOA with it on this Chinese gun using Barnaul/MFS cheap steel-cased bulk ammo.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;51096523]Despite the fact that one of the 4 teeth that hold it on the side of the rail on the other side of it is actually broken off, I can shoot about 3MOA with it on this Chinese gun using Barnaul/MFS cheap steel-cased bulk ammo.[/QUOTE]That's actually hilarious, how's the rifle shoot without it? Still reliable?
I truly have no idea about the SFRC-15 at all but 3 MOA with Barnaul... they're not that shitty are they?
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51096581]That's actually hilarious, how's the rifle shoot without it? Still reliable?
I truly have no idea about the SFRC-15 at all but 3 MOA with Barnaul... they're not that shitty are they?[/QUOTE]
The SFRC-15 is the stripped lower, the fully assembled one is Norinco. As for it with irons I can barely hit a Fig. 11 target with irons at 100, and I blame the front sight for that, I think it's loose.
I've had touching groups with Barnaul out of my Howa at 100m. The Chinese AR is only rated for 2MOA at best, and that setup surely isn't the best.
PSOPs are actually really solid scopes. For the price you pay theyre awesome. Newer ones you get off Kalinka optics are comparable to scopes twice the price. The 12x40 i got for $400 on my psl is fuckin awesome
I got this semi-broken one for free so I can't complain.
I've always wanted to try a PSO but didn't want to pay the money for something that might be uncomfortable, this looks inviting.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51096581]That's actually hilarious, how's the rifle shoot without it? Still reliable?
I truly have no idea about the SFRC-15 at all but 3 MOA with Barnaul... they're not that shitty are they?[/QUOTE]
3 MOA is about what I'd expect out of service-grade M193. The fact that he's getting that kind of performance out of cheapo steel-cased ammo says something about said ammo's actual quality.
Some older friends of mine buy guns really often and they let me handle their AR and 1911.
I want one of each.
[QUOTE=DepDirkson;51096883]Some older friends of mine buy guns really often and they let me handle their AR and 1911.
I want one of each.[/QUOTE]
What state do you live in?
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51096751]I've always wanted to try a PSO but didn't want to pay the money for something that might be uncomfortable, this looks inviting.[/QUOTE]
Theyre not at all uncomfortable as long as yheyre on the right gun
[editline]24th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=DepDirkson;51096883]Some older friends of mine buy guns really often and they let me handle their AR and 1911.
I want one of each.[/QUOTE]
Buy neither and go buy guns that are actually good
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51096871]3 MOA is about what I'd expect out of service-grade M193. The fact that he's getting that kind of performance out of cheapo steel-cased ammo says something about said ammo's actual quality.[/QUOTE]Milsurp M193 isn't known for being any good though, it's better than Wolf .223 but it isn't Hornady match that's for sure.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51097128]Theyre not at all uncomfortable as long as yheyre on the right gun[/QUOTE]I'd rather find a scope to fit a rifle than a rifle to fit a scope, it doesn't seem like a good idea to drop all this money on some scope I don't even like and doesn't work on a rifle I actually own. So I'll take a look at Kalinka and decide if I like what I see, better than buying a PSO when I don't even have anything in the AK family to put it on.
[editline]23rd September 2016[/editline]
That scope does look neat as hell on DaCommie1's rifle though.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51097232]
I'd rather find a scope to fit a rifle than a rifle to fit a scope, it doesn't seem like a good idea to drop all this money on some scope I don't even like and doesn't work on a rifle I actually own. So I'll take a look at Kalinka and decide if I like what I see, better than buying a PSO when I don't even have anything in the AK family to put it on.
[editline]23rd September 2016[/editline]
Haha, I guess being careful with my money is dumb according to Cyke. Whoops![/QUOTE]
If you're not willing to put in the time to adjust a rifle to a scope, then don't buy a kalinka optic. 99% of the time it will be as easy adjusting a cheek riser, but they're still scopes meant for [i]specifically[/i] for AK type rifles. You don't guy buy an AUG scope and expect to get it to work well on a AR-15, so I don't see why you would think the same for a PSO.
Do you have an AK? Buy a PSO
Do you not have an AK and are a penny pincher and aren't willing to put the time in on a gun to make a weird setup work? Then don't buy a PSO.
I appreciate you calling me out though, you going to keep acting like a child because I disagreed with you in SH?
Maybe my commie scope works so well on my AR because it's a commie AR too.
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