[QUOTE=Campin Carl;51181791]
I tried the 8" 3/4 version and I think that's what I'm going to get, along a reloading kit, so I can load some pretty tame rounds for competition use.[/QUOTE]
We call those tame rounds the 45 Long Colts and the slightly spicier rounds the 454 Casull.
Only nearby range recently adopted a rule against bringing your own ammo, have to buy the same prvi partizan nugget food I had for about 85 cpr. On the bright side, buddy tells me he's building a proper 200 yard range on his property about an hour away. Also apparently his friend has about a dozen various sks that he'd be willing to sell so might take him up on that.
Also as an aside, do you think it'd worthwhile to buy an 80 AR/AK lower or two right now? AK doesn't seem to have much documentation but I have doubts on the ease of getting my hands on a WASR or Vepr in the coming year or two.
[QUOTE=JETFIGHTER5;51183581]Only nearby range recently adopted a rule against bringing your own ammo[/QUOTE]
:why:
How likely do you guys think it would be for Hillary to ram through another assault weapons ban? I was hoping to just wait out all the mental retardation of this election before getting anything, but it looks increasingly likely that everything is going to suck for the foreseeable future.
Should I just say "fuck it" and panic buy like everyone else?
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51183845]How likely do you guys think it would be for Hillary to ram through another assault weapons ban? I was hoping to just wait out all the mental retardation of this election before getting anything, but it looks increasingly likely that everything is going to suck for the foreseeable future.
Should I just say "fuck it" and panic buy like everyone else?[/QUOTE]
It all depends on congress. If it's a Republican congress, and it looks like it probably will be, then it'll never pass, just like Obama hasn't gotten it to pass in the last 8 years and several high-profile shootings. The president can't do much without congressional approval.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51183845]How likely do you guys think it would be for Hillary to ram through another assault weapons ban? I was hoping to just wait out all the mental retardation of this election before getting anything, but it looks increasingly likely that everything is going to suck for the foreseeable future.
Should I just say "fuck it" and panic buy like everyone else?[/QUOTE]
Pretty unlikely honestly. Her whole political agenda is to basically maintain the status quo, which has been a decent climate as far as gun control goes. Obama doesnt like guns but hes actually increased gunrights and hasnt ever introduced any sort of anti gun regulation.
Id say buy now just to be safe but the chances of a gun ban coming up is unlikely.
I can't wait for the panic buying so I can sell off my AR for an absurd amount of money and pick up a FAL later on with the cash once it dies down
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51183933]Pretty unlikely honestly. Her whole political agenda is to basically maintain the status quo, which has been a decent climate as far as gun control goes. Obama doesnt like guns but hes actually increased gunrights and hasnt ever introduced any sort of anti gun regulation.
Id say buy now just to be safe but the chances of a gun ban coming up is unlikely.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I kinda get pissed off when people accuse him of stomping all over guns rights because of the fingerprinting requirements for all members of an NFA trust. Motherfucker, he made it possible for Joe Schmoe to get a silencer or an SBR now, where previously he couldn't because Sheriff Fuckface would have said "fuck no I'm not signing the paperwork on that".
That reminds me though. If the AWB advocates are so scared of so-called assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, why don't they just push to have them placed under NFA restriction? Gun owners can still get them if they want them that way.
Imagine having to pay a $200 tax stamp per magazine over 10 rounds
I would fucking flip
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51184167]Imagine having to pay a $200 tax stamp per magazine over 10 rounds
I would fucking flip[/QUOTE]
Beats not being allowed to have them at all.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for it by any means. I'm just wondering to myself why the Dems keep pushing for something that they know they're going to have to fight tooth and nail to get even with a clear advantage when they could be moving towards a workable compromise.
Oh wait, I'm talking about the same people who sat on the senate floor and refused to move for 25 goddamn hours because they didn't get their way. Never mind, now I get it.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51184173]Oh wait, I'm talking about the same people who sat on the senate floor and refused to move for 25 goddamn hours because they didn't get their way. Never mind, now I get it.[/QUOTE]
Remember when the Republicans shut down the government for 2 weeks back in 2013 cause they were butthurt over Obamacare?
Sorry for sorta derailing the thread with that but thanks for your responses. I was looking at possibly getting a Gen 2 Kris's vector since the Msrp on those have been nearly cut in half. Now my biggest question was if I do decide to go with one of those, would it be worth it to go full ham and order it as a factory SBR, or should I just settle for the full length "carbine" model?
One reason I was primarily concerned about an assault weapons ban is because I'm not sure if I'd be shit out of luck (and out around $2000) if one gets passed during the waiting period of SBR paperwork. In any case:
[thumb]https://store.kriss-usa.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/600x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/k/r/kriss-vector-gen-ii_sbr_pl_alpine.jpg[/thumb]
Do want.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51184163]Yeah, I kinda get pissed off when people accuse him of stomping all over guns rights because of the fingerprinting requirements for all members of an NFA trust. Motherfucker, he made it possible for Joe Schmoe to get a silencer or an SBR now, where previously he couldn't because Sheriff Fuckface would have said "fuck no I'm not signing the paperwork on that".
That reminds me though. If the AWB advocates are so scared of so-called assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, why don't they just push to have them placed under NFA restriction? Gun owners can still get them if they want them that way.[/QUOTE]
Its really a money thing. The whole reason the NRA has pushed very minimally to rework the NFA or Hughes amendment is because theres so much money in pre86 machine guns and NFA weapons. The gun insustry would get pretty pissy if that all disappeared.
Imagine if NFA restrictions were removed for SBRs, SBSs, and suppressors. Anyone could make one easily and gun manufacturers and people who already hold insanely expensive NFA items would lose a shitload of money.
Id kill to be alive back in the days when you could go to the colt factory and have a full auto or burst trigger pack put in your AR for a few hundred bucks.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51184430]Its really a money thing. The whole reason the NRA has pushed very minimally to rework the NFA or Hughes amendment is because theres so much money in pre86 machine guns and NFA weapons. The gun insustry would get pretty pissy if that all disappeared.
Imagine if NFA restrictions were removed for SBRs, SBSs, and suppressors. Anyone could make one easily and gun manufacturers and people who already hold insanely expensive NFA items would lose a shitload of money.
Id kill to be alive back in the days when you could go to the colt factory and have a full auto or burst trigger pack put in your AR for a few hundred bucks.[/QUOTE]
No, it's because they only take on the fights they think they can win so as to not waste money.
Basically, they told Reagan to sign it and that they'd fight it later, but now they just say "why bother, it's a lost cause".
[editline]10th October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51184370]Sorry for sorta derailing the thread with that but thanks for your responses. I was looking at possibly getting a Gen 2 Kris's vector since the Msrp on those have been nearly cut in half. Now my biggest question was if I do decide to go with one of those, would it be worth it to go full ham and order it as a factory SBR, or should I just settle for the full length "carbine" model?
One reason I was primarily concerned about an assault weapons ban is because I'm not sure if I'd be shit out of luck (and out around $2000) if one gets passed during the waiting period of SBR paperwork. In any case:
[thumb]https://store.kriss-usa.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/600x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/k/r/kriss-vector-gen-ii_sbr_pl_alpine.jpg[/thumb]
Do want.[/QUOTE]
Better be in 10mm, or else you did waste your money :V
.45 ACP version needs a .460 Rowland conversion...that would be a very effective carbine.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;51184528]No, it's because they only take on the fights they think they can win so as to not waste money.
Basically, they told Reagan to sign it and that they'd fight it later, but now they just say "why bother, it's a lost cause".
[editline]10th October 2016[/editline]
Better be in 10mm, or else you did waste your money :V
.45 ACP version needs a .460 Rowland conversion...that would be a very effective carbine.[/QUOTE]
Naw, the NRA fights for the rights of gun manufacturers, not 2A rights. Removal of the NFA and Hughes amendment would cause a pretty big loss of money in the gun market.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51185076]Naw, the NRA fights for the rights of gun manufacturers, not 2A rights. Removal of the NFA and Hughes amendment would cause a pretty big loss of money in the gun market.[/QUOTE]
Loss of money in the used market, but since they fight for manufactures it would mean a great surge in revenue for them since they could sell more suppressors, SBR/SBSes, and full-autos to the civilian market.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51185076]Naw, the NRA fights for the rights of gun manufacturers, not 2A rights. Removal of the NFA and Hughes amendment would cause a pretty big loss of money in the gun market.[/QUOTE]
The classic guns would retain their value, but your M16 DIAS will no longer cost $16-25K.
They invested in the over-inflated value of those firearms and it's a bubble that will burst either when they are normalized again or the government bans possession all together.
If they are truly Pro-2A, then they will welcome this change.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;51185161]Loss of money in the used market, but since they fight for manufactures it would mean a great surge in revenue for them since they could sell more suppressors, SBR/SBSes, and full-autos to the civilian market.[/QUOTE]
They would suffer in the burst bubble of $30,000 machineguns though.
JT Grip for bump firing:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbyk-ErbSDk&feature=youtu.be[/media]
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51185499]They would suffer in the burst bubble of $30,000 machineguns though.[/QUOTE]
How? Manufacturers don't sell those, that's retailers and individuals who do. Manufactures sell their autos for basically the same price they sell their semis for to military/LE/security clients. Now they'd probably be able to sell their autos for twice what they sell it for to those to civilians. Unless you meant the NRA executive, in which case then yes, they likely would suffer a great loss.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;51184528]
Better be in 10mm, or else you did waste your money :V
.45 ACP version needs a .460 Rowland conversion...that would be a very effective carbine.[/QUOTE]
I didn't get anything yet, was just thinking about it. In any case though I'd want the 45 version since that ammo is far easier to acquire, is less expensive, and commonly comes in subsonic loads. Since 10mm is basically a really hot 40sw, it wouldn't really make sense for me to put a can on it. Also extended mags are not available for the 10mm yet.
Honestly I'm going to buy some AR lowers and a WASR or two because if Hillary wins, panic buying will be at unheard of levels and I don't mind making some extra cash.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51187516]I didn't get anything yet, was just thinking about it. In any case though I'd want the 45 version since that ammo is far easier to acquire, is less expensive, and commonly comes in subsonic loads. Since 10mm is basically a really hot 40sw, it wouldn't really make sense for me to put a can on it. Also extended mags are not available for the 10mm yet.[/QUOTE]
10mm is not a really hot .40 S&W, .40 S&W is a short and weak 10mm, because 10mm came first :V
I already have a G20 so it makes more sense to get one in 10mm.
While I don't disagree, 9mm is cheaper than .45 ACP and also has subsonic loads readily available, and 33rd stick mags, so why not get the 9mm version?
Or dont buy the Vector at all because its a fucktarded gun. If you want a pistol carbine, get a CZ evo, if you want a cheap pistol carbine, get a sub2k.
You need friends to live that passive aggressive lifestyle
there's nothing wrong with buying a goofy overengineered gun because you think the operating principle is neat
that's why it's called a hobby
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51190433]there's nothing wrong with buying a goofy overengineered gun because you think the operating principle is neat
that's why it's called a hobby[/QUOTE]
Just like theres nothing wrong with that guy buying that Brazilian lever gun that immediately broke. This is a hobby but there is such a thing as a stupid purchase, and 2 grand for a horrible gun is a stupid purchase.
If he wants to blow his money panic buying shitty guns then by all means. Theres better guns for less out there and I reserve my right to laugh at his purchase.
My Colt Canada IUR came in today. I checked if my Chinese AR's BCG would fit, it did, but goddamn I need to lube that upper.
Saved a lot of money these past couple weeks. Barely spent any of my paychecks. I may reward myself soon with a new gun.
Also I want one of these really bad when they come to the USA:
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v65amiUyTHQ[/media]
But they're assault weapons and banned in NY.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;51192007]this is coming from someone who owns a norwegian krag which is arguably also a piece of shit considering i need to use especially weak loads to safely shoot it and since i don't have time or place to reload atm i am stuck trying to buy them from some lazy fuck who never shows up at the range.[/QUOTE]
That's one of the reasons I decided against a Garand. I don't want to have to go looking for specially-formulated 30-06 just so I don't have to buy a modified gas cap or deal with a snapped op-rod.
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