[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51192060]That's one of the reasons I decided against a Garand. I don't want to have to go looking for specially-formulated 30-06 just so I don't have to buy a modified gas cap or deal with a snapped op-rod.[/QUOTE]
Aren't the gas caps fairly inexpensive?...
40 bucks, basically a drop in the bucket compared to the price of an M1.
A gas cap and the installation of it is cheap and easy. The actual cost of the rifle and ammo is nore prohibiting than anything else.
So I heard that Australia is trying to implement a 5-round maximum mag capacity, which would destroy the value of all the Enfields in the country.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51189784]Or dont buy the Vector at all because its a fucktarded gun. If you want a pistol carbine, get a CZ evo, if you want a cheap pistol carbine, get a sub2k.[/QUOTE]
... but the safety selector on the Evo digs into my hands because of the retarded placement? Also absolutely not to the sub2k because that gun just irks me. I know it's probably one of Kel Tec's better products, but the placement of the charging handle, that stock, and the fact that it doesn't fold up if you put optics on it (unless you get an aftermarket handguard which rotates), makes the sub2k not very attractive to me.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;51192007]
buy a usc45 and have it converted to an ump45+tax stamp if you want a tacticool .45 carbine. the vector just plain out sucks in general, even more so neutered to semi without a stock (speaking of which i wish the american fad of "pistols carbines" would die because nothing is more useless than a god damn AK/AR/MP5/G3/UZI without a stock and a shitty 1" webbing sling half-assedly looped around your shoulder so you can pull the gun away while struggling to aim the heavy thing).
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I like the UMP 45 [B]a lot[/B], but out of the box the civilian USC needs to be modified and they already cost more than a Gen 2 Kriss. God damned importation laws. Also the only kind of deals on those I'm seeing so far are the "used condition as is, no questions asked, no return policy" so if you get a bad one you're absolutely shit out of luck. If it were a realistic option for me, I'd probably get one of those instead.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;51192007]the big problem here is that the kriss vector is an overengineered POS that has no use as a civilian gun, simply because the recoil "reduction" system just adds more mass flopping around in semi auto.[/QUOTE]
In semi auto, the different recoil impulse isn't really an issue. I got to try one out at a range before and liked it aside from the stupid ass folding stock which the older models came with. In any case though, the bolt mass bouncing up and down does become an issue, [B]BUT[/B] only if you are firing the weapon on full-auto. Yes that's right, the Kriss actually has more muzzle flip in full auto than other guns :v: Here is a picture of the results of 2 round bursting at only 10 yards away:
[thumb]http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/IMG_20140524_140306-730x540.jpg[/thumb]
The second shot will always go high and to the right on full auto or burst, because the mass of the bolt carrier group forces the gun upwards as it chambers a new round and fires (holy shit). Again though it's not a problem in Semi-auto because the window of when this happens is so short.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;51192007]The vector just plain out sucks in general, even more so neutered to semi without a stock (speaking of which i wish the american fad of "pistols carbines" would die because nothing is more useless than a god damn AK/AR/MP5/G3/UZI without a stock and a shitty 1" webbing sling half-assedly looped around your shoulder so you can pull the gun away while struggling to aim the heavy thing).[/QUOTE]
Yes the "pistol" versions are very stupid, but the main reason they even exist is because of our stupid ass firearm regulations. Basically, you cannot own any firearms with a stock if the barrel or overall length of the weapon are below a certain length. Anything with a stock or foregrip which has a barrel length of less than 16 inches, and/or an overall length of 26 inches is considered an SBR/SBS (short barrel rifle or short barrel shotgun). If you want one of those, you have to [del]sell your soul to[/del] give your fingerprints and do a lengthy background check process with the ATF, AND pay $200 up front, regardless of the results. Oh and the waiting period can last 6 months to over a year.
As a result, many people tend to buy the "pistol" versions of the carbines so they can have something to shoot with while waiting for the paperwork to go through. I don't plan on doing that though. Think I'd rather order an SBR from the factory and do the waiting period since some people are saying you need to [I]engrave your name and location onto the actual fucking gun[/I] if you convert it from a pistol to a SBR.
Does all of this sound retarded yet? Don't worry it is.
Oh, and you have to repeat the process all over again if you want a suppressor for that weapon. FUN.
I don't know maybe I should just get an AR15 type pistol chambered carbine instead. One of the major reasons I was going with pistol carbines is due to the fact that most of the shooting places around me only allow handgun calibers on their ranges which sucks.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;51193561]So I heard that Australia is trying to implement a 5-round maximum mag capacity, which would destroy the value of all the Enfields in the country.[/QUOTE]
I still don't get how tightening the gun laws in Australia is a thing, they are already some of the strictest in the world, but somehow they find reasons to fuck it up even more?
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;51192007] the vector just plain out sucks in general, even more so neutered to semi without a stock (speaking of which i wish the american fad of "pistols carbines" would die because nothing is more useless than a god damn AK/AR/MP5/G3/UZI without a stock and a shitty 1" webbing sling half-assedly looped around your shoulder so you can pull the gun away while struggling to aim the heavy thing).
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Well, Captain Killjoy, the USPSA is adding a pistol carbine division and some people have fun with them anyways.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51194214]... but the safety selector on the Evo digs into my hands because of the retarded placement? Also absolutely not to the sub2k because that gun just irks me. I know it's probably one of Kel Tec's better products, but the placement of the charging handle, that stock, and the fact that it doesn't fold up if you put optics on it (unless you get an aftermarket handguard which rotates), makes the sub2k not very attractive to me.[/quote]
CZ makes a null safety button that replaces whichever safety grinds into your thumb. Takes 2 minutes to install.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51194214]
I like the UMP 45 [B]a lot[/B], but out of the box the civilian USC needs to be modified and they already cost more than a Gen 2 Kriss. God damned importation laws. Also the only kind of deals on those I'm seeing so far are the "used condition as is, no questions asked, no return policy" so if you get a bad one you're absolutely shit out of luck. If it were a realistic option for me, I'd probably get one of those instead.[/quote]
The Kriss Vector needs to be modified out of the box and it will take a year to do it because the ATF is the most dysfunctional bureaucracy on planet earth, and you may not even be able to do it if Hillary goes full Feinstein. Unless you want to leave it as a pistol and have a gun thats about as awkward to shoot as a DND nerd at prom. Or you could buy the carbine version and have a insanely poorly balanced gun.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51194214]
In semi auto, the different recoil impulse isn't really an issue. I got to try one out at a range before and liked it aside from the stupid ass folding stock which the older models came with. In any case though, the bolt mass bouncing up and down does become an issue, [B]BUT[/B] only if you are firing the weapon on full-auto. Yes that's right, the Kriss actually has more muzzle flip in full auto than other guns :v: Here is a picture of the results of 2 round bursting at only 10 yards away:
[thumb]http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/IMG_20140524_140306-730x540.jpg[/thumb]
The second shot will always go high and to the right on full auto or burst, because the mass of the bolt carrier group forces the gun upwards as it chambers a new round and fires (holy shit). Again though it's not a problem in Semi-auto because the window of when this happens is so short.[/quote]
Wow so the Vector sucks at the one thing it's supposed to do well? Sounds like a good investment.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51194214]
In semi auto, the different recoil impulse isn't really an issue. I got to try one out at a range before and liked it aside from the stupid ass folding stock which the older models came with. In any case though, the bolt mass bouncing up and down does become an issue, [B]BUT[/B] only if you are firing the weapon on full-auto. Yes that's right, the Kriss actually has more muzzle flip in full auto than other guns :v: Here is a picture of the results of 2 round bursting at only 10 yards away:
[thumb]http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/IMG_20140524_140306-730x540.jpg[/thumb]
The second shot will always go high and to the right on full auto or burst, because the mass of the bolt carrier group forces the gun upwards as it chambers a new round and fires (holy shit).[/QUOTE]
AK-47 has a similar problem:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smJyoso_-4w[/media]
Well, crap. So what about a PS90 or an AR FiveSeven? Assuming I can find a reliable ammo supplier?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51194715]Why would you want something chambered in 5.7? Unless you're wanting a PS90 for the sake of owning a PS90.
Do you own an AR? Or an AK? Or a reliable bolt gun?
If no to any of the above, get one of those. A good AR/AK/Bolt gun isn't going to let you down, has enough ammo readily available to shoot, and can do anything those meme guns can do, without the hassle of the meme guns. You're not going to get any of the benefits of 5.7 in civilian ammo (thanks to lack of AP ammo), so you're essentially paying for more expensive 5.56.[/QUOTE]
Most of those PDW calibers aren't really good for much besides varminting without the full auto and SBR length rifles.
IMHO, You want a good rifle in an SBR package? get a 7.62x39 pistol or .300 BLK AR pistol and put a brace on it until you SBR it. Both calibers are more effective than pistol calibers at the same range and beyond and have a good selection of defensive ammo available.
Both are also reliable and common with common ammo, and the .300 BLK AR will suppress nicely.
7.62x39 is still cheaper to practice with than .45 ACP
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51194688]Well, crap. So what about a PS90 or an AR FiveSeven? Assuming I can find a reliable ammo supplier?[/QUOTE]
How about not buying shitty special snowflake guns that are expensive to buy and expensive to run? 5.7 is a useless and expensive caliber unless you're going to be shooting through kevlar, and you can't even do that because they don't sell AP ammo.
If you want a pistol caliber carbine, go buy a CZ Evo. If you want a good semi automatic rifle, go buy a WASR10/63 or some AR. Don't buy a PS90, don't buy a Kriss, don't buy an FS2k, don't buy gimmicky overpriced and underperforming guns because you wanna be a gun hipster at the range.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51195081]How about not buying shitty special snowflake guns that are expensive to buy and expensive to run? 5.7 is a useless and expensive caliber unless you're going to be shooting through kevlar.
If you want a pistol caliber carbine, go buy a CZ Evo. If you want a good semi automatic rifle, go buy a WASR10/63 or some AR. Don't buy a PS90, don't buy a Kriss, don't buy an FS2k, don't buy gimmicky overpriced and underperforming guns because you wanna be a gun hipster at the range.[/QUOTE]
If he's considering a PCC in the price range of a Kriss Vector, he should look at the SIG MCX or even that Definitive Arms/ Atlantic 9mm blowback "AK" that takes Colt SMG mags, or build a 9mm AR.
[QUOTE=MAC21500;51195108]If he's considering a PCC in the price range of a Kriss Vector, he should look at the SIG MCX or even that Definitive Arms/ Atlantic 9mm blowback "AK" that takes Colt SMG mags, or build a 9mm AR.[/QUOTE]
The 10mm Vector interests me. The Semi-Auto Vector does not interest me what so ever, except in 10mm. That would offer a hell of a lot of punt in a small package, and while it is more expensive option that power def makes it worth it.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51194715]Why would you want something chambered in 5.7? Unless you're wanting a PS90 for the sake of owning a PS90.
Do you own an AR? Or an AK? Or a reliable bolt gun?
If no to any of the above, get one of those. A good AR/AK/Bolt gun isn't going to let you down, has enough ammo readily available to shoot, and can do anything those meme guns can do, without the hassle of the meme guns. You're not going to get any of the benefits of 5.7 in civilian ammo (thanks to lack of AP ammo), so you're essentially paying for more expensive 5.56.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I already have a Mosin and shotgun, but was looking to add a semiautomatic rifle which is more range friendly and allows for quicker follow up shots. Probably would be better if I just made a list of requirements. I'm looking for the following:
-Something in pistol caliber because most ranges here don't allow rifle rounds.
-Preferably something with decent subsonic loads available and easily suppressed. (guns are LOUD indoors even with hearing protection) Also if something goes bump in the night for whatever reason, would like to not risk blowing my ears out.
-Not .22 longrifle.
-Capacity preferably above 25 at least.
-Good ergonomics and ambidextrous friendly to fire from behind barriers and at weird angles, and not get hot brass in my teeth. (Practical shooting, for competitions and defense)
-Short overall length for better maneuverability around corners.
-Needs to be able to freely switch between left and right handed shooting (for weak sided shooting). Being able to change the side of an ejection port will not help in this case.
The reason I was asking if a PS90 would be a good investment wasn't for the sake of having a "P90 OMG STARGATE" movie gun, but because it meets most of those requirements. What I like most about the P90 is it ejects from the bottom, so I'd be able to shoot it effectively from my weak side if needed. Being able to maneuver around tight spaces without smacking into shit is basically the point of this purchase because my Mosin is the size of a small child, and most ranges around here don't allow me to practice with shotguns.
I tried renting a Tavor at the range as well and liked how compact it was, but the ejection port is literally in my face when firing from the weak side.
[B]Edit[/B]
[QUOTE=MAC21500;51195072]Most of those PDW calibers aren't really good for much besides varminting without the full auto and SBR length rifles.
IMHO, You want a good rifle in an SBR package? get a 7.62x39 pistol or .300 BLK AR pistol and put a brace on it until you SBR it. Both calibers are more effective than pistol calibers at the same range and beyond and have a good selection of defensive ammo available.
Both are also reliable and common with common ammo, and the .300 BLK AR will suppress nicely.
7.62x39 is still cheaper to practice with than .45 ACP[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MAC21500;51195108]If he's considering a PCC in the price range of a Kriss Vector, he should look at the SIG MCX or even that Definitive Arms/ Atlantic 9mm blowback "AK" that takes Colt SMG mags, or build a 9mm AR.[/QUOTE]
Actually those sound like pretty good suggestions thanks.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;51195149]The 10mm Vector interests me. The Semi-Auto Vector does not interest me what so ever, except in 10mm. That would offer a hell of a lot of punt in a small package, and while it is more expensive option that power def makes it worth it.[/QUOTE]
TNW has a survival rifle in 10mm thats pretty good, and a lot more affordable than a Vector.
[editline]13th October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51195160]Yeah I already have a Mosin and shotgun, but was looking to add a semiautomatic rifle which is more range friendly and allows for quicker follow up shots. Probably would be better if I just made a list of requirements. I'm looking for the following:
-Something in pistol caliber because most ranges here don't allow rifle rounds.
-Preferably something with decent subsonic loads available and easily suppressed. (guns are LOUD indoors even with hearing protection) Also if something goes bump in the night for whatever reason, would like to not risk blowing my ears out.
-Not .22 longrifle.
-Capacity preferably above 25 at least.
-Good ergonomics and ambidextrous friendly to fire from behind barriers and at weird angles, and not get hot brass in my teeth. (Practical shooting, for competitions and defense)
-Short overall length for better maneuverability around corners.
-Needs to be able to freely switch between left and right handed shooting (for weak sided shooting). Being able to change the side of an ejection port will not help in this case.[/quote]
[b]CZ EVO III SCORPION 9MM CARBINE RIFLE[/B]
I've said it 14 times, get a damned CZ Evo for gods sake.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51195160]
The reason I was asking if a PS90 would be a good investment wasn't for the sake of having a "P90 OMG STARGATE" movie gun, but because it meets most of those requirements. What I like most about the P90 is it ejects from the bottom, so I'd be able to shoot it effectively from my weak side if needed. Being able to maneuver around tight spaces without smacking into shit is basically the point of this purchase because my Mosin is the size of a small child, and most ranges around here don't allow me to practice with shotguns.
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Then a CZ Evo is perfect for you because it's not a garbage gimmick in 5.7 or a 4ft tall rifle.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51195160]
I tried renting a Tavor at the range as well and liked how compact it was, but the ejection port is literally in my face when firing from the weak side.[/QUOTE]
Tavors really aren't bad but theres better bullpups out there.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;51193561]So I heard that Australia is trying to implement a 5-round maximum mag capacity, which would destroy the value of all the Enfields in the country.[/QUOTE]
The results from the NFA review haven't been released yet.
Joined the Glock party, got a 4th Gen 19. Can't wait to go out and shoot it!
[QUOTE=Episode;51199163]Joined the Glock party, got a 4th Gen 19. Can't wait to go out and shoot it![/QUOTE]
Mine made me miserable for four months. Brass to face like a mother fucker and no one seemed to know why. I ended up fixing it myself.
This is kind of interesting for anyone who wants/needs a Taiwanese AR in their collection:
Wolf Ammo Is Bringing Us A Type 91 Upper
[url]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/13/big-3-east-wolf-ammo-bringing-us-type-91-upper/[/url]
[t]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/IMG_6316-660x495.jpg[/t]
I got an email from VLTOR today, they are discontinuing the CASV handguards. Their remaining stock is on clearance.
[url]http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=d0a25932462f3d3b745b17ad1&id=be5217f7ca&e=9206d0c9f6[/url]
For those of you that like pricey competition handguns, here is a series that may interest you:
Exclusive: Testing the World’s Most Accurate Pistols – Part I
[url]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/12/exclusive-testing-worlds-accurate-pistols-part/[/url]
"The following guns made it to our first ultimate range pistol shootout:
S&W Performance Center 5906 PPC 9mm
S&W Performance Center 3566 Limited 9mm
Sig Arms P210-5 Heavy Frame 9mm
Sig Sauer P210 Legend Target 9mm
Sig Hammerli P240 .32S&W
Sig Sauer P226S X-Five Enhanced Classic 9mm
CZ 75 Tactical Sport 9mm
Benelli MP3S .32 S&W
Pardini GT45-II 9mm
Beretta 92 Combat 9mm
Glock 17L 9mm (3rd gen)
We have many more handguns and much more testing to do and publish. Next on the agenda for us are more group tests including a 1911 group test as well as a CZ and CZ clone group test."
Those are all awesome pistols, especially those Sigs. I would like to see how they shoot compared to the SVI which produced my best group so far offhand at 30 yards. I really want to know how it would shoot had I not been using shit ammo and rushing the trigger. Ironically, I feel like the most accurate pistol I've shot with was the MK23, or at least it feels that way.
[thumb]http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q719/PCho222/20160922_152646_zpsz7r57uw4.jpg[/thumb]
They probably want to be able to afford to put food on the table for the next three months.
[QUOTE=download;51201980]They probably want to be able to afford to put food on the table for the next three months.[/QUOTE]
These collectors already have them among the three of them.
I found out today at my old job my co worker tried to report me to my boss for talking about guns. My other co worker used to shoot at a quarry so we were talking and I guess she got offended. I never heard about it and the same woman who reported me asked me if I had a job for her because she needed money after I left so I felt bad and got her hired at my new job and she's been a pain in the ass ever since. She told one of the managers how she reported me like it was a funny brag and thats how it finally got back to me.
It's really fucked up. I'm not a dangerous person, I'm mellow and I was friends with her for like the whole year we worked together and than I got her a job here and she's been an ass the entire time to me and has been generally shit at it. She could've gotten me in a lot of trouble for literally no reason.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;51208227]I found out today at my old job my co worker tried to report me to my boss for talking about guns. My other co worker used to shoot at a quarry so we were talking and I guess she got offended. I never heard about it and the same woman who reported me asked me if I had a job for her because she needed money after I left so I felt bad and got her hired at my new job and she's been a pain in the ass ever since. She told one of the managers how she reported me like it was a funny brag and thats how it finally got back to me.
It's really fucked up. I'm not a dangerous person, I'm mellow and I was friends with her for like the whole year we worked together and than I got her a job here and she's been an ass the entire time to me and has been generally shit at it. She could've gotten me in a lot of trouble for literally no reason.[/QUOTE]
Ask her to go shooting with you and show her a great time. If she's a cunt, well then, a quarry is pretty good place to dump things :v:
[QUOTE=Campin Carl;51208460]Ask her to go shooting with you and show her a great time. If she's a cunt, well then, a quarry is pretty good place to dump things :v:[/QUOTE]
She used to be a State Trooper but she was a really, really bad Trooper and only did it because one of her friends said she couldn't. She's told me some stories and they're all pretty silly. She told me that she couldn't rack the slide on her Glock the first time and had to spend a weekend working out her hand until she could do it.
She's anti-gun and has no interest in them. As soon as she told me that I just never mentioned them around her which is why it's kind of stupid she decided to report me for talking about guns because after that I would shoot the shit with her friend and my other co-worker like I said. He was cool, I was actually supposed to hire both of them as a pair but corporate only gave me hours for one so he was the bigger man and gave up the job to give her the money because she was kinda desperate. I wish he had gotten hired though, he would've been a bro.
I just decided to unhook the hard drive from the computer in my office before she comes in so she thinks it's broken. She's really neurotic about doing her job and the fact she won't be able to use the computer will probably drive her crazy, maybe make her quit but at the very least it'll just irritate her. She's one of those people who thinks everyone has to follow every single rule to the letter and is super anal about even minor things but rules and laws don't specifically apply to her and if they do it pisses her off. So perfect cop material in that respect but it makes her a really shitty employee.
Everyone hates her and wants her to leave. She just spends her whole shift terrorizing people over minor mistakes. I knew she was a little anal when I used to work with her but didn't get the same exposure I do now, I regret taking her on and apologize personally to the other employees every other day for hiring her. It fucking sucks.
Wow dude, that blows.
Go shit on her porch
I had a coworker, old milfy lady of course, who I thought was anti gun for some reason. She walked up on me and another coworker talking about guns and asked about it. He walked away and I kinda justified my position on it. I must have sounded crazy because her next move was to inform me she collected antique sex toys and showed me pictures of her collection.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51209362]I had a coworker, old milfy lady of course, who I thought was anti gun for some reason. She walked up on me and another coworker talking about guns and asked about it. He walked away and I kinda justified my position on it. I must have sounded crazy because her next move was to inform me she collected antique sex toys and showed me pictures of her collection.[/QUOTE]
Some people think guns are phallic, so maybe it was only natural for her to start a phallus waving contest...
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