Firearms In Space - General

[QUOTE=Sykez;27239031] Also by the time EVERYONE can just go into space for the hell of it, I'm sure we will have LASER guns.[/QUOTE] laser guns you say? [img]http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/star_trek_070221_nr.jpg[/img]

Railguns & photon beams would be alot more efficient to use in space.

[QUOTE=3v3ryb0dy;27238881] Let's consider a hypothetical part of space, where object with gravity is hundreds of lightyears away.[/QUOTE] If you were able to get to that place, there still is gravity. The gun itself would cause gravity (although really really small)

There are alot of variables in physics calcualtions that are really small so they don't just consider it unless needed. We just don't give two shits about gravity. But if you want to be smarts for smarts sake, go ahead point out worthless little things.

[QUOTE=rieda1589;27238863]You'd also have to consider recoil in zero g. You fire at someone and you're gonna end up flying backwards with no way of stopping unless you shoot the other way :v:[/QUOTE] A bullet doesn't have enough mass and velocity to accelerate a large body (such as a person) backwards significantly.

What about the problem that there's no oxygen in the air, so the blastwave from the gunpowder can't push the bullet out of the gun? I have no idea how a gun works, so don't bash me if I am wrong. This is just what I've heard from other people though.

Realistically it's possible but lasers are far, far easier and more practical (more effective too) for weaponizing space

[QUOTE=Xolo;27239317]Realistically it's possible but lasers are far, far easier and more practical (more effective too) for weaponizing space[/QUOTE] And far, far cooler.

I'm sure if we wanted to use guns in space, we could just make parts of the gun specifically for the space environment. Like sealed tubes and what not.

[QUOTE=Zeraux;27239302]What about the problem that there's no oxygen in the air, so the blastwave from the gunpowder can't push the bullet out of the gun? I have no idea how a gun works, so don't bash me if I am wrong. This is just what I've heard from other people though.[/QUOTE] I think we're a long way from gunpowder man.

[QUOTE=ChristopherB;27239271]A bullet doesn't have enough mass and velocity to accelerate a large body (such as a person) backwards significantly.[/QUOTE] Yeah it does

I'm surprised NASA didn't carry out this test. Perhaps the gun won't physically go into motion because of no gravity and such

There was some stuff and agreements about not weaponizing space or something?

[quote]Some sources claim that on January 24, 1975 (after the station was ordered to deorbit) trials of the on-board 23 mm [b]Nudelmann[/b] aircraft cannon (other sources say it was a [b]Nudelmann[/b] NR-30 30 mm gun) were conducted with positive results at ranges from 500 m to 3000 m.[1] Cosmonauts had confirmed that a target satellite was destroyed in the test.[citation needed] Firings were conducted in the direction opposite to the station's velocity vector, in order to shorten the "orbital life" of the cannon's shells. A total of three firings were conducted during the flight of the Salyut 3.[/quote] [img]http://www.claudia-wiedemann.de/Meine_Hobbies/nudel-mann.gif[/img] Nudelmann? Got to be kidding me

[QUOTE=OatmealMan;27239837][img_thumb]http://www.claudia-wiedemann.de/Meine_Hobbies/nudel-mann.gif[/img_thumb] Nudelmann? Got to be kidding me[/QUOTE] But that's pasta :raise:

[QUOTE=Zeraux;27239302]What about the problem that there's no oxygen in the air, so the blastwave from the gunpowder can't push the bullet out of the gun? I have no idea how a gun works, so don't bash me if I am wrong. This is just what I've heard from other people though.[/QUOTE] There is no such problem. There is oxygen in the gunpowder, which allows it to burn explosively. As it burns, the pressure behind the bullet increases and the bullet is forced out of the barrel.

[QUOTE=3v3ryb0dy;27239822]There was some stuff and agreements about not weaponizing space or something?[/QUOTE] Come to think of it I think there was some kind of UN Treaty to keep Space peaceful. So this WHOLE thread is now irrelevant. :3:

[QUOTE=Zeraux;27239302]What about the problem that there's no oxygen in the air, so the blastwave from the gunpowder can't push the bullet out of the gun? I have no idea how a gun works, so don't bash me if I am wrong. This is just what I've heard from other people though.[/QUOTE] Guns work kind of like blowguns You put a piece of paper into a straw, blow into it and the paper flies away. In gun instead of you blowing there's the cartridge exploding and expanding all the gases. That's why weapons are called "Gas-operated"

Once the recoil hits back, how will you stop? Imagine a Magnum being fired, you would be blown back with no way to stop...

[QUOTE=Slawter;27240492]Once the recoil hits back, how will you stop? Imagine a Magnum being fired, you would be blown back with no way to stop...[/QUOTE] That episode from CSI:Miami clearly states this.

[QUOTE=Slawter;27240492]Once the recoil hits back, how will you stop? Imagine a Magnum being fired, you would be blown back with no way to stop...[/QUOTE] You'd need to fire a magnum over a dozen times to gain yourself a speed of 1m/s. The velocity you gain from firing a handgun is pretty insignificant and easily counteracted by any kind of safety ropes. People tend to use those in space.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;27239015]i quote: priboy you mean pipboy?[/QUOTE] Mega1mpact you mean shitposter?

[QUOTE=gerbile5;27241062]Mega1mpact you mean shitposter?[/QUOTE] That hurts from inside. I didnt mean to sound stupid i just thought the resemblence of the two names was funny. Unlike others i actualy read the wikipedia article. Im sorry if that was a dumb post.

[QUOTE=ThePuska;27240994]You'd need to fire a magnum over a dozen times to gain yourself a speed of 1m/s. The velocity you gain from firing a handgun is pretty insignificant and easily counteracted by any kind of safety ropes. People tend to use those in space.[/QUOTE] Actually the firearms recoil is quite significant in non gravity envoierment. Don't underestimate it.

[QUOTE=RubberFruit;27239615]I'm surprised NASA didn't carry out this test. Perhaps the gun won't physically go into motion because of no gravity and such[/QUOTE] Do you mean the trigger mechanism? Because that will just work.

[QUOTE=3v3ryb0dy;27241396]Actually the firearms recoil is quite significant in non gravity envoierment. Don't underestimate it.[/QUOTE] I did the math, though it was only a quick approximation.

[QUOTE=3v3ryb0dy;27241396]Actually the firearms recoil is quite significant in non gravity envoierment. Don't underestimate it.[/QUOTE] Agreed acording to wikipedia a .357 magnum is pretty strong. So the recoil will blast you into deep space. [quote]125*gr (8.1 g) Bonded Defense JHP 1,600*ft/s (490 m/s) 710*ft·lbf (960 J)[/quote] [url]Www.wikipedia.org/wiki/.357_Magnum[/url]

[QUOTE=RubberFruit;27239615]I'm surprised NASA didn't carry out this test. Perhaps the gun won't physically go into motion because of no gravity and such[/QUOTE] Guns almost never work depending so much on gravity. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mega1mpact;27241472]Agreed acording to wikipedia a .357 magnum is pretty strong. [url]Www.wikipedia.org/wiki/.357_Magnum[/url][/QUOTE] Only the word "magnum" was noted, that could mean 7mm remmington magnum, .357 magnum, .44 magnum etc

[QUOTE=Xolo;27239587]Yeah it does[/QUOTE] In space maybe, but not on Earth, on Earth a bullet (even a .50cal) will not make you fly backwards at all.

You have to keep in mind that even though gravity and friction are not factors, it still requires the same force to move a mass.