Anti conspiracy theorists are worse than theorists or why we need the photos released. - General

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;29633451]what possible reason would america have to fake bin laden's death NOW of all times anyway? Was obama sitting in his office and suddenly thought "HEY! I KNOW! I think I'll fake osama bin laden's death! I mean, everyone's forgotten about him, time we got some publicity about it!" If america wanted to lie about his death then they had every possible oppertunity to do it in the past. and besides, if he's really alive, all he has to do is release another of his jihad videos and BAM everyone knows he's still alive.[/QUOTE] good way to get elected for another term

The news has showed pictures of dead Muslims before. (maybe not always on TV...they have websites you know) In a divided world (one with "corruption" driving every motive) some people don't know who to trust. Alex Jones said the other day, [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srNG_Q7uN74]"I don't care if they show a video of him being shot square in the head" (or something like that) "They can make fake videos of anything[/url] To this (and things alike in the past) I just said "Fuck IT!" not even video is proof of anything anymore. I honestly feel like anyone can fake a video or image. And no matter how much of a professional spoof checker you are, you're limited to the pixels at hand, and with the assistance of another spoof checker, the faker has total victory. Do I trust the government? To be honest, that's about as relevant to me as do I trust a complete stranger in a suit. That's because I'm of the privileged few. There is only one way to ensure people can trust each other. And that is to give them no reason to not to. The idea is simple, the path is hard. All perceived evil is brought in existence because of limited resources. That's the only thing I'm focused on, because I don't care who is "evil" or "good", I care that "evil" exist, and I will settle for nothing less than perfect unity among humans. I'm not saying I can do it alone. I'm not even saying that it will be accomplished in my life time. [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] I'm just tired of trying to make the best out of a broken world. [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] ^tweet worthy

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;29633451]what possible reason would america have to fake bin laden's death NOW of all times anyway? Was obama sitting in his office and suddenly thought "HEY! I KNOW! I think I'll fake osama bin laden's death! I mean, everyone's forgotten about him, time we got some publicity about it!" If america wanted to lie about his death then they had every possible oppertunity to do it in the past. and besides, if he's really alive, all he has to do is release another of his jihad videos and BAM everyone knows he's still alive.[/QUOTE] I'm the one saying that I'm not throwing around big conspiracy theories, so why are you trying to drag them into this? I said they're holding the photos for undisclosed reasons and that would be dismissed if they release the photos.

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boat;29633464]good way to get elected for another term[/QUOTE] bit early for that, isn't it? [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29633492]I'm the one saying that I'm not throwing around big conspiracy theories, so why are you trying to drag them into this? I said they're holding the photos for undisclosed reasons and that would be dismissed if they release the photos.[/QUOTE] They've given a reason why they're not releasing them, I'm satisfied for the time being, why aren't you? Like I said, they've no reason to fake his death, and even if they did no way would they not have photos prepared in case people like you have a hissy fit

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;29633512]bit early for that, isn't it? [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] They've given a reason why they're not releasing them, I'm satisfied for the time being, why aren't you? Like I said, they've no reason to fake his death, and even if they did no way would they not have photos prepared in case people like you have a hissy fit[/QUOTE] Because it's a bullshit reason and the whole deal of them dumping the body immediately is too suspicious to ignore, that's why. And a-fucking-gain. I never said they faked his death in this thread, I said THEY ARE HOLDING THE PHOTOS FOR UNDISCLOSED REASONS WHICH WOULD BE DISMISSED BY RELEASING THE FUCKING PHOTO. Tell me, why is it so hard for YOU to realize that not every conspiracy theory is batshit crazy and some actually hold water?

So what is your reason for complaining? Because you don't get to see a bullet-riddled bin laden? I don't see any theory here, just you whining about how much you want to see a photo of someone's corpse. And that's pretty batshit crazy.

No, my point is that we have no proof aside from their word. I've said that at least 10 times so far probably in this thread alone. Also, had a third party just confirmed the DNA test before they dumped the body that would be plenty enough proof. It's only because that's not really possible at this point that I want to see the picture.

In a lot of cases we don't have any proof beyond someone's word. Sometimes you just have to think "The alternative is retarded, so this must be true". The idea that bin laden is still alive is retarded, therefore he must be dead.

That's the worst reasoning I've ever heard. You don't use theories and ideas in global news, you collect facts and report on it. And again, I'm not saying that he isn't dead. I'm saying there's something we aren't being told.

You say you're not being a conspiracy theory nut but you just said "OOH THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE NOT BEING TOLD". Bin laden is dead and we can all sleep a little easier. That's all there is to it, really. Why would you want to see a picture of a dead guy if it wasn't because you were sceptical about him actually being dead? And if there is "Something we're not being told", what will a picture of a corpse tell us? How many times he was shot? The amount of blood someone can lose before dying?

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;29633670]In a lot of cases we don't have any proof beyond someone's word. Sometimes you just have to think "The alternative is retarded, so this must be true". The idea that bin laden is still alive is retarded, therefore he must be dead.[/QUOTE] And by retarded you mean "socially isolating"

The extremists will use it to their advantage if they get ahold of the pictures, it happened with bin laden, I guarantee they will release it in a few years.

It's funny, because many of theories of conspiracy theorists make more sense than some things said or told by the government or media.

[QUOTE=Pockets;29633121]I'm a conspiracy theorist (don't care about labels or buzzwords) and I've already seen two photoshops that I thought were real at the time. Upon seeing them and before someone proving beyond a doubt that they were fake, I was ready to vote for Obama. (assuming ron paul doesn't win the primaries, which he absolutely will not) Now that the white house has said they aren't releasing the photos, I'll vote for whoever wins the GOP primaries, EVEN IF IT'S TRUMP, just to vote against Obama. If they ultimately decide to release them before the election, I will still vote for him. Many people across the conspiracy theorist communities share this opinion and I'm sure plenty of unspoken Americans feel this way as well. [/QUOTE] I can't seriously believe you can live eighteen years and still think that's the right thing to do and that you need photographs of an undeniably dead man to not vote for Trump. Why is he dead, you ask?: One possibility: the U.S. captured him and didn't tell anyone. Why the hell would they do that? It would be a massive success (even more so than now) if they had captured him alive and tried him. You can argue that it might encourage more terrorism but they haven't been daunted by it yet and they did the very same with Sadam Hussain, arguably with a larger following. The other possibility: they killed a double and not the real thing. Do you really think that the U.S. are stupid enough not to have done the DNA tests and just blindly announce they killed him? Do you realise what would happen if he came on air now and made a speech? Their credibility would be completely destroyed. Conspiracy theorists tend to cling to one out of place fact and build around that but if you don't have all the facts before you make your theory then you end up twisting the ones you do have to fit in. Also, did you consider for even a second that it would be a massive insult to show us photos of him because a few fringe lunatics demand it?

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;29633755]You say you're not being a conspiracy theory nut but you just said "OOH THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE NOT BEING TOLD". Bin laden is dead and we can all sleep a little easier. That's all there is to it, really. Why would you want to see a picture of a dead guy if it wasn't because you were sceptical about him actually being dead? And if there is "Something we're not being told", what will a picture of a corpse tell us? How many times he was shot? The amount of blood someone can lose before dying?[/QUOTE] You're ignoring the whole point of this thread. Just because somebody questions something doesn't make them a fucking conspiracy nut. You idiots sitting here defending the government blindly with no facts is what makes me a "nut". And you're yet to answer this: [QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29633315]So if he really is dead, what's the harm in releasing the photo(s) they supposedly have? Again, I'm going to reiterate that there is absolutely no actual proof to this aside from the governments word.[/QUOTE] [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=breakyourfac;29633761]The extremists will use it to their advantage if they get ahold of the pictures, it happened with bin laden, I guarantee they will release it in a few years.[/QUOTE] How will they use a picture to their advantage exactly? It's a picture.

[i][b]Why[/b] not release it?[/i]

Also yeah, if they showed the photos to one of my trusted news sources (Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Zack Parsons, Mike Fahey (those last two were internet jokes (hah))) that would be enough for me. If Stewart or Colbert went on air and said that they had seen the pictures and believed that they were genuine, that'd be enough for me.

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29633761]The extremists will use it to their advantage if they get ahold of the pictures, it happened with bin laden, I guarantee they will release it in a few years.[/QUOTE] How do you use a picture to your advantage? You mean the terrorist extremists?

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29632517]Now let's look at Osama in that same situation. We don't have any confirmation that it's him aside from the military saying "Yep, it's him. We just dumped him in the ocean, but don't worry we got a good look at him! We even tested his DNA!" Well that's nice, but wouldn't it make sense to just get a second opinion on that DNA test just to be 100% sure? I mean it isn't like the body is going anywhere. What's this? They weren't joking about the body dumping? They ACTUALLY dumped the body into the water WITHIN 12 HOURS OF CONFIRMING THE KILL. [/QUOTE] They were already sure on the DNA test to a 99.9% which is as high as you can get, so what would be the point of retesting Also they buried him at sea so no one could worship the body or something

[QUOTE=Sorin;29633869][i][b]Why[/b] not release it?[/i][/QUOTE] I can only laugh. because you'll need something wilder than a conspiracy theory to answer this one.

[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;29633829] How will they use a picture to their advantage exactly? It's a picture.[/QUOTE] By saying 'look at what the american pigs did to our great leader' and then everyone gets pissed and retaliates, just like the pictures of the wtc made people want to kill every muslim on sight. It can be used to instill rage/retaliation.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;29633357]Bin laden is dead and I'm sure that there's a good reason that they're not releasing the photos. Well, I say "good", there's probably a reason that's good for them at least. There's honestly no doubt in my mind that bin laden is dead, the white house has a reason why they're not releasing the photos, we just don't know yet. They'll come out eventually.[/QUOTE] We already know the reason, it's ethically distasteful and would unnecessarily provoke Islamic extremists. International security is a bigger concern than trying to disprove the claims of people who will just claim the evidence is faked anyway. We already have DNA evidence, sorry if it's not as easy to gloat over but there it is.

I'm going to guess that the government has a good reason for not releasing it that they can't yet explain because doing so would defeat the whole point of not releasing it. It sounds naive, but as I said, the alternative is just retarded. [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TH89;29633916]We already know the reason, it's ethically distasteful and would unnecessarily provoke Islamic extremists. International security is a bigger concern than trying to disprove the claims of people who will just claim the evidence is faked anyway. We already have DNA evidence, sorry if it's not as easy to gloat over but there it is.[/QUOTE] well there you go, voice of reason

I swear to god you fucking conspiracy theorists would think the US government would try to kill 4,000 of it's own people just to get some oil.........oh wait...

Wouldn't Bin Laden release a video claiming he's not dead if he were alive? He did talk about recent events in previous videos

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;29633915]By saying 'look at what the american pigs did to our great leader' and then everyone gets pissed and retaliates, just like the pictures of the wtc made people want to kill every muslim on sight. It can be used to instill rage/retaliation.[/QUOTE] well. we'll have to kill those radicals anyway some day. BTW: Osama isn't the big shit he used to be. There are already pictures of dead Muslim-Extremists floating around. they can use those. [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thispieiscold;29633963]Wouldn't Bin Laden release a video claiming he's not dead if he were alive? He did talk about recent events in previous videos[/QUOTE] damn that was sharp. he could completely incinerate the American trust network

[QUOTE=thispieiscold;29633963]Wouldn't Bin Laden release a video claiming he's not dead if he were alive? He did talk about recent events in previous videos[/QUOTE] If I were bin laden I would record a video every day saying "ha ha I'm not dead after all, p.s. [newly released film or CD] is for infidels"

the DNA test thing is still just the government saying that they did a DNA test and that you'll just have to trust them on that one. i like how fucking hypocritical people are, the same people who say "how can you believe in a god or religion without evidence" will believe anything the government says without evidence, hilarious.

[QUOTE=Keysle;29633987]well. we'll have to kill those radicals anyway some day.[/QUOTE] No, killing terrorists is not how you fight terrorism. You fight terrorism by denying them new recruits. Experts say this all the time. Do you think disrespectfully parading out photos of a martyr's mutilated body is going to result in more new terrorist recruits or less?

[QUOTE=Pockets;29634034]i like how fucking hypocritical people are, the same people who say "how can you believe in a god or religion without evidence" will believe anything the government says without evidence, hilarious.[/QUOTE]good point [editline]5th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TH89;29634077]No, killing terrorists is not how you fight terrorism. You fight terrorism by denying them new recruits. Experts say this all the time. Do you think disrespectfully parading out photos of a martyr's mutilated body is going to result in more new terrorist recruits or less?[/QUOTE]more hrm... I still say contrast is better than a confused group