Everyone always says "support the troops", but I say fuck the troops.
If those idiots would stop enlisting in the army in droves this retarded "war" would have been over before it started.
But no, they all join anyway to kill some brown people, I mean protect our freedom. :patriot:
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22786843]Everyone always says "support the troops", but I say fuck the troops.
If those idiots would stop enlisting in the army in droves this retarded "war" would have been over before it started.
But no, they all join anyway to kill some brown people, I mean protect our freedom. :patriot:[/QUOTE]
How old are you? 17?
When you've grown up, you'll understand why you don't have the whole world figured out.
19. :downs:
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22786843]Everyone always says "support the troops", but I say fuck the troops.
If those idiots would stop enlisting in the army in droves this retarded "war" would have been over before it started.
But no, they all join anyway to kill some brown people, I mean protect our freedom. :patriot:[/QUOTE]
alright cool so we don't have an army but everyone else does?
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22786843]Everyone always says "support the troops", but I say fuck the troops.
If those idiots would stop enlisting in the army in droves this retarded "war" would have been over before it started.
But no, they all join anyway to kill some brown people, I mean protect our freedom. :patriot:[/QUOTE]
Yes because every single job in the U.S. military means you get a rifle and you go kill people. Holy shit this is the dumbest post I've seen in this thread. Did you ever once think that people join the military to, oh I don't know, be patriotic and serve their country? The people who say "LETS GO KILL SOME RAGHEADS!!!" are rednecks and crazy lefts. I might join the Air Force to not "kill some dirty muslims" but to set my self up for a career later in life, have a decent pay along side with free housing, healthcare and really anything. So what do you propose? Everyone stop enlisting so the government will en state a draft and fucks like you will get drafted into the front lines infantry? Yeah, great plan dude.
hurr we went over to Iraq/Afghanistan to kill people of another race
no other reason
oh wait we also went there to steal oil which we haven't received a drop of either
[QUOTE=Detective P;22781749]It was okay when the kids did it in Red Dawn. They're patriots.[/QUOTE]
Yes but they were guerrilla fighters who had no rights as soldiers, and if they were caught, the Soviets could do anything they wanted to with them.
[QUOTE]It was okay when the Afghans did it against the Soviets with US backing. They're patriots.[/QUOTE]
Read above.
[QUOTE]It's not okay when the Afghans and Iraqis do it against the US, sometimes even the same ones that did it against the Soviets. They're terrorists.[/QUOTE]
Read above.
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;22788481]Yes because every single job in the U.S. military means you get a rifle and you go kill people. Holy shit this is the dumbest post I've seen in this thread. Did you ever once think that people join the military to, oh I don't know, be patriotic and serve their country? The people who say "LETS GO KILL SOME RAGHEADS!!!" are rednecks and crazy lefts. I might join the Air Force to not "kill some dirty muslims" but to set my self up for a career later in life, have a decent pay along side with free housing, healthcare and really anything. So what do you propose? Everyone stop enlisting so the government will en state a draft and fucks like you will get drafted into the front lines infantry? Yeah, great plan dude.[/QUOTE]
This "patriotism" and "serving the country" is what I'm talking about. Why would I serve a country that's only goal is to fuck up the rest of the wold. I want no part of that.
And cool, get free stuff that I ultimately pay for.
The draft doesn't work if people refuse to be enlisted. Who's going to make me or anyone else join the military? Is Obama himself going to drag me out of my house?
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22788929]This "patriotism" and "serving the country" is what I'm talking about. Why would I serve a country that's only goal is to fuck up the rest of the wold. I want no part of that.[/quote]
What makes you think the US wants to 'fuck up the rest of the world'
Oh right it's because we're the US and we're evil.
[quote]And cool, get free stuff that I ultimately pay for.[/quote]
You still benefit from it more than not.
[quote]The draft doesn't work if people refuse to be enlisted. Who's going to make me or anyone else join the military? Is Obama himself going to drag me out of my house?[/QUOTE]
No. You'll be thrown in jail. By the police. Who will, in fact, drag you from your house.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22788929]This "patriotism" and "serving the country" is what I'm talking about. Why would I serve a country that's only goal is to fuck up the rest of the wold. I want no part of that.
And cool, get free stuff that I ultimately pay for.
The draft doesn't work if people refuse to be enlisted. Who's going to make me or anyone else join the military? Is Obama himself going to drag me out of my house?[/QUOTE]
Well there are these people, you may have heard of them, the police. They can and will drag you out of your house and put you in jail or send you away anyway. You're a rebel aren't you?
I'd die to defend my home which is my house and my property. I'd even defend it from the US government. But I'm not going to die for the government. Or for anyone else's home, or the country. At least based on current circumstances.
If someone were to actually attack us, then maybe I would. But nobody is going to attack us. 9/11 doesn't count because we provoked that by occupying the middle east.
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[QUOTE=the_KMM;22788975]
No. You'll be thrown in jail. By the police. Who will, in fact, drag you from your house.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what the 2nd amendment is for.
Fuk da poleece
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22788985]I'd die to defend my home which is my house and my property. I'd even defend it from the US government. But I'm not going to die for the government. Or for anyone else's home, or the country. At least based on current circumstances.
If someone were to actually attack us, then maybe I would. But nobody is going to attack us. 9/11 doesn't count because we provoked that by occupying the middle east.
[editline]09:45PM[/editline]
This is exactly what the 2nd amendment is for.
Fuk da poleece[/QUOTE]
Holllllllllllly shit. You just said fuck the police while referencing the second amendment. You have lost the tiny bit of credibility you ever had. You can't be serious. We were occupying the middle easy pre 9/11? What the flying fuck are you talking about?
[editline]10:50PM[/editline]
The second amendment has no jurisdiction over you shooting the police. You are refusing to do a government order by not listening when you've been called up for the draft. And ooooohhhhh! You hate the government and won't comply if they call you up yet you are trying to use a government amendment to your advantage. Irony.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22788985]I'd die to defend my home which is my house and my property. I'd even defend it from the US government. But I'm not going to die for the government. Or for anyone else's home, or the country. At least based on current circumstances.
If someone were to actually attack us, then maybe I would. But nobody is going to attack us. 9/11 doesn't count because we provoked that by occupying the middle east.
[editline]09:45PM[/editline]
This is exactly what the 2nd amendment is for.
Fuk da poleece[/QUOTE]
Are you like, 12? You don't seem to grasp a basic understanding of how drafts work. Not to mention I'm astonished at how you managed to butcher the Second Amendment to justify Police Killings. Furthermore, at which point did we occupy the Middle East prior to 9/11?
I have a right to not be dragged out of my home by police. So I can and will use my 2nd amendment right to defend myself.
Heard of the Gulf War? We were occupying Saudi Arabia long after the war as well. It's called blowback.
This is from bin Laden in 1998.
[url]http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1998.html[/url]
Notice that he isn't saying "We hate America because they're rich and free". He points to several areas that the US involved themselves in the Middle East. We don't need to police the world.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22789121]I have a right to not be dragged out of my home by police. So I can and will use my 2nd amendment right to defend myself.
Heard of the Gulf War? We were occupying Saudi Arabia long after the war as well. It's called blowback.
This is from bin Laden in 1998.
[url]http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1998.html[/url]
Notice that he isn't saying "We hate America because they're rich and free". He points to several areas that the US involved themselves in the Middle East. We don't need to police the world.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying that if I was to go blow up a school, it's against the law for the Police to come to my house and get me due to the 2nd Amendment? What drugs are you on, I want some.
Also: We never even went to war with Saudi Arabia. Nor was there an occupation during the Gulf War, we left as soon as the war was over.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22789121]I have a right to not be dragged out of my home by police. So I can and will use my 2nd amendment right to defend myself.
Heard of the Gulf War? We were occupying Saudi Arabia long after the war as well. It's called blowback.
This is from bin Laden in 1998.
[url]http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1998.html[/url]
Notice that he isn't saying "We hate America because they're rich and free". He points to several areas that the US involved themselves in the Middle East. We don't need to police the world.[/QUOTE]
The police most certainly do have the right to pull you out of your house if you try and be a draft dodger. So what do you plan on doing? Be super cool and say no to the cop and shoot him and then get gunned down by another officer?
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;22789055]
The second amendment has no jurisdiction over you shooting the police. You are refusing to do a government order by not listening when you've been called up for the draft. And ooooohhhhh! You hate the government and won't comply if they call you up yet you are trying to use a government amendment to your advantage. Irony.[/QUOTE]
My belief is that governments can't give rights, they can only take them away. Everyone is born with natural rights, the 2nd amendment being one of them. The 2nd amendment merely states the government isn't taking away that right.
So no, the government didn't give me the 2nd amendment, everyone is born with it. Some governments like Britain take that away.
And I'm not saying I'd just kill a police officer just for fun. I would defend myself if they forced entry into my home and tried to remove me. I wouldn't even shoot first, normally all you have to do is point the gun and that takes care of most situations.
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[QUOTE=Gordy H.;22789164]So you're saying that if I was to go blow up a school, it's against the law for the Police to come to my house and get me due to the 2nd Amendment? What drugs are you on, I want some.
Also: We never even went to war with Saudi Arabia. Nor was there an occupation during the Gulf War, we left as soon as the war was over.[/QUOTE]
I'm not blowing up a school though. I'm minding my own business.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22789170]My belief is that governments can't give rights, they can only take them away. Everyone is born with natural rights, the 2nd amendment being one of them. The 2nd amendment merely states the government isn't taking away that right.
So no, the government didn't give me the 2nd amendment, everyone is born with it. Some governments like Britain take that away.
And I'm not saying I'd just kill a police officer just for fun. I would defend myself if they forced entry into my home and tried to remove me. I wouldn't even shoot first, normally all you have to do is point the gun and that takes care of most situations.[/QUOTE]
Most countries have very extreme gun laws. America is the exception with very lax laws. The right to bear arms is defiantly not a natural freedom. So you're telling me that all you have to do is point the gun and the officer will be like "woah! he has a gun! nevermind I'll leave and never comeback because its not like im the fucking police or anything"
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22789170]My belief is that governments can't give rights, they can only take them away. Everyone is born with natural rights, the 2nd amendment being one of them. The 2nd amendment merely states the government isn't taking away that right.
So no, the government didn't give me the 2nd amendment, everyone is born with it. Some governments like Britain take that away.
And I'm not saying I'd just kill a police officer just for fun. I would defend myself if they forced entry into my home and tried to remove me. I wouldn't even shoot first, normally all you have to do is point the gun and that takes care of most situations.
[editline]09:59PM[/editline]
I'm not blowing up a school though. I'm minding my own business.[/QUOTE]
Breaking a law gives the Police a right to go into your house to get you. Refusing a draft is illegal, you sign a paper after your 18th Birthday agreeing to sign up for Selective Service.
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;22789227]Most countries have very extreme gun laws. America is the exception with very lax laws. The right to bear arms is defiantly not a natural freedom. So you're telling me that all you have to do is point the gun and the officer will be like "woah! he has a gun! nevermind I'll leave and never comeback because its not like im the fucking police or anything"[/QUOTE]
Either way, by the time that happens I'd be in Mexico or something. :v:
No cop wants to get shot though, so they'd probably call for backup before doing anything on their own.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22789278]Either way, by the time that happens I'd be in Mexico or something. :v:
No cop wants to get shot though, so they'd probably call for backup before doing anything on their own.[/QUOTE]
Backup takes 3 minutes, what're you gonna do that would somehow save you in that time? And chances are, he'd just go to his car, get a bigger gun and shoot up your house.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;22789233]Breaking a law gives the Police a right to go into your house to get you. Refusing a draft is illegal, you sign a paper after your 18th Birthday agreeing to sign up for Selective Service.[/QUOTE]
The government can't (or shouldn't) force me to do whatever they want. If I want to sit on my ass all day, thats my problem not theirs.
I don't owe the US anything. I didn't choose to be born here, all I want is to be left alone as long as I don't infringe on the rights of others. (blowing up a school)
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22789278]Either way, by the time that happens I'd be in Mexico or something. :v:
No cop wants to get shot though, so they'd probably call for backup before doing anything on their own.[/QUOTE]
Yes once they call for back up, you'll have several officers at your door or, if you're lucky enough, a S.W.A.T. team! Then they'll arrest you for assaulting an officer, attempted murder (possibly) and being a draft dodger or maybe they'll just kill you if you resist which you probably will because you're just too cool to get arrested.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22789306]The government can't (or shouldn't) force me to do whatever they want. If I want to sit on my ass all day, thats my problem not theirs.
I don't owe the US anything. I didn't choose to be born here, all I want is to be left alone as long as I don't infringe on the rights of others. (blowing up a school)[/QUOTE]
Then leave. If you don't like having responsibility to your country, leave. I'm pretty sure you're just trolling, since no one can be that dumb, but if you're serious about your opinions your just a drain on society.
Tell them to stop torturing everyone, and maybe they will get fair trial.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;22789329]Then leave. If you don't like having responsibility to your country, leave. I'm pretty sure you're just trolling, since no one can be that dumb, but if you're serious about your opinions your just a drain on society.[/QUOTE]
Not trolling.
The government doesn't really have any responsibilities to me either. So I'm not a drain on society. I don't want to give anything to the government, but I don't expect to take anything.
All the government really should do for me is the basics like enforce contracts, and protect my rights from being violated like if I'm attacked by someone.
Generally, I take the most issue with the federal government. I really don't mind the state and local governments so much. They provide roads, education, and stuff like that. Which I would at least reluctantly be willing to pay for. It's stuff like the military, social security, and the other federal programs that I don't like.
This is a brief essay I've written on this subject.
All my work is cited correctly and if you believe I am making up nonsense I've listed my sources at the bottom. I apologize for the length. I tend to write too much.
With War Comes Peace: Iraq Stability, Democracy, and Reconstruction
“Si vis pacem, para bellum.” These words come from Roman military writer Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus. It means, “If you wish for peace, prepare for war.” These words have been proven true in every military conflict to date. For Instance, the American Revolution brought peace and reconciliation to Great Britain and the newly formed United States. The end of World War II brought forth the United Nations, and a hope for peace and prosperity. Today, the United States is engaged with various sectarian militias in Iraq. The cause of this conflict can be found decades earlier. According to the Congressional Research Service it all began during the late 1980s when Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein demonstrated the use of chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds during the Iraq-Iran war (Decision to go to War). In a different article, the Congressional Research Service also talks about the actions taken by the United Nations. The article mentions that the United Nations began by conducting multiple inspections of chemical weapon production. Multiple U.N. Security resolutions began to emerge but Iraq would not comply. In the late 1990's evidence of chemical weapons began to emerge after multiple U2 spy plane missions. By 2000, the U.N had not seen compliance to disarm the chemical weapons. On September 11, 2001, the United States was attacked by terrorist in New York City. After the attacks, a growing fear began to rise. It was speculated that terrorist forces may obtain the weapons in Iraq and use them against the U.S. On October 16, 2002, President Bush signed into law a deceleration of war against Iraq. The priority of the law was to uphold U.N. Security Council resolution 1441. The secondary goal of the law was to eliminate the Iraqi dictator due to a possible national security threat. The invasion commenced on March 20 of 2003 (Squassoni). Since the liberation of Baghdad, the country of Iraq has seen much improvement. However, there is still a lot of work to be done. United States forces have provided stability to the cities of Iraq. Without the presence of the United States this stability would be no more. Since the fall of Saddam Hussein, the United States has shown the Iraqi people democracy. United States should continue to occupy Iraq to provide stability, ensure political success, and continue reconstruction.
Since the 2003 invasion, Iraq has seen much improvement in the overall stability of the country. To insure stability, the U.S. initiated “New Way Forward.” On January 10, 2007, the new battle plan brought 28,500 more troops to Iraq. Kenneth Katzman of the Congressional Research Service stated, “Overall violence is down at least 60% since June 2007” (Katzman). This simple fact proves that the United States has a hold on Iraq and has the ability to create social stability within the country. As said before, with war comes peace. If coalition forces continue to help Iraq and rebuild Iraq, there is potential peace between the East and West. If the United States and the Coalition forces were to leave, the entire country would fall apart. A Survey conducted by Frank M. Newport Ph.D of The Gallup Poll stated, “less than 20% [of Americans] say the United States should withdraw troops immediately” (Newport). This clearly shows that the presence of the United States is needed. This proves that the safety of the Iraqi people is of high priority to the American people. Newport confirms and concludes his survey:
[i]The data reviewed here suggest that there are reasons Americans hesitate to recommend an immediate withdrawal of troops. A majority of Americans believe that withdrawing troops from Iraq would lead to a greater possibility of al Qaeda using Iraq as a base for terrorist operations, a greater number of Iraqi deaths from violence, and a greater likelihood of a broader Middle East war. Additionally, Americans believe the United States has an obligation to remain in Iraq until that country is the stable, and recent poll results suggest that a majority of Americans do not believe a level of stability has yet been reached(Newport.) [/i]
Newport’s conclusions are obvious. If the stability is lost within Iraq, the country is in no position to uphold an effective form of central government. If U.S forces leave the area, civil war will erupt. This civil war will eventually lead to the rise of yet another dictator, leaving the country in the same position as it was 10 years ago. When a country has no source of central power, the pattern of civil war and the formation of a dictatorship emerge. The two events go hand in hand. The theory has proven itself throughout history when a country loses its central form of government. Those who oppose believe that U.S forces should withdrawal immediately. This may seem like a good idea to save the lives of American soldiers, but there is a greater cost at stake. The civilians of Iraq would suffer greatly in the event of a civil war. The entire stability of Iraq depends on the presence of United States forces. The benefit clearly outmatches the cost. All in all, the United States should continue to persevere and provide stability to the country.
About a year after the fall of Baghdad, actions were already being taken to form a strong central government for Iraq. On June 28, 2004, elections were taking place to vote in representatives of the new parliament. Katzmen reports that, “The elected Assembly was to draft a constitution by August 15, 2005, to be put to a referendum by October 15, 2005, subject to veto by a two-thirds majority of voters in any three provinces” (Katzmen). The new parliament met those deadlines and a new constitution was ratified on October 15, 2005. The new constitution outlined a new governing body in Iraq that is based of a parliamentary government structure. The formation of the new government is a pure example of the success of the formation of democracy. With the formation of the new government, sects are given a opportunity to reconcile with each other peacefully. Rather than fighting on the streets of Iraq, sects are able to fight on the debate floor of parliament. The Iraqi government and the Bush administration has also set a series of benchmarks to further the reconciliation of the newly formed Iraqi government. The goals set covered aspects like social, economic, and political issues. Fredrick Kagan of The Weekly Standard reports the success of the new Iraqi government: “The Government of Iraq has now met 12 out of the original 18 benchmarks set for it, including four out of the six key legislative benchmarks. It has made substantial progress on five more, and only one remains truly stalled” (Kagan). This is yet another example of political success in Iraq. The new Iraqi government is clearly making progress by completing over half of the benchmarks. If the United States continues to occupy Iraq, the added stability will allow Iraq to have smooth sailing in the political aspect. Those who oppose the occupation of Iraq do not realize the progress made by the joint efforts of the United States and Iraq. If the United States did not invade Iraq, the vicious dictatorship of Saddam Hussein would still be present. With the presence of the United States, it has been shown that goals are being met to create a stable democratic republic in Iraq.
As soon as the remaining hostile forces were defeated at Baghdad, the reconstruction began. According to information published by Mechanical Engineering-CIME, The United States Agency for International Development immediately began forming a reconstruction plan. The United States Congress granted 2.47 billion dollars to the reconstruction of Iraq. However, the extra funds are not helping. The U.S. Central Command has only been able to restore power to nine of twenty-seven cities (Ehrenman 48). Ehrenman continues and says, “The total postwar electric capacity in Iraq is about 1,800 megawatts. Prewar capacity was 5,500 MW down from a maximum capacity of 9,500 MW prior to the 1991 Gulf War. Clearly, the presence of the United States is needed. Without power, the Iraqi water pumps are not able to operate. Water purification systems are useless. The Iraqi people must drink from the nearest stream. Clean, drinkable water is necessity for the well-being of the Iraqi people. Not only does the new Republic of Iraq suffer from the dilemmas of mass-power outages, but the reborn country faces major medical problems. In Micheal Mason's report called “Iraq's Medical Meltdown,” he describes his visit to the Air Force Theater Hospital at Balad Airbase north of Baghdad:
[i]For a few precious days following an injur, all Iraqis at AFTH Balad-police, detainees, and ordinary civilians- will receive unparalleled medical services, courtesy of the U.S. Department of Defense. As similar level of care in the United States would run tens of thousands of dollars per patient. In order to extend that level of care to Iraqis, military doctors must keep beds open, and that means quickly transferring them out of AFTH Balad and into an Iraqi facility as a result the 200 Iraqis treated at AFTH Balad each moth have an average length of stay of less than a week before they are discharged (Mason).[/i]
The Iraqi people seem like they are getting good health care; however, in the second part of this excerpt it is shown that Iraqis only stay an average of less than a week. There is simply not enough quality put into the Iraqi health care. There are too many wounded and an inadequate amount of personnel to aid the Iraqi people. Mason also describes the mentality of the military doctors: “Patients are expected to die” (Mason). This statement alone shows the desperate need for sufficient medical care in Iraq. Those who oppose believe it is the problem of the Iraqi people, but the Iraqi people deserve the care that any other American would get. The life of the Iraqi people is of value too. It is apparent that the Iraqi people desperately require the help of the United States to rebuild the war-torn country.
Overall, the presence of the United States is needed in Iraq to administer stability, carry on political success, and restore the country. Without the United States support, Iraq will suffer from social unrest. The United States has achieved many goals in the formation of a democracy, but there is much work to be done. Perhaps the most significant issue is the restoration of Iraq. The U.S. Has much work to do. Leaving will only do harm to the country. The United States will not commit the sins of the father. In the late 1970's the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan . The Afghani rebels sought support to fend of the communist regime. The United States answered the call and gave the rebels weapons and funds to degrade the Red Army's presence. Eventually, in 1988, the Soviet Union began to retreat from Afghanistan. By 1989, all Soviet forces were evacuated. However, Afghanistan was left in complete chaos. The main form of government was dissolved and civil war began. The United States abandoned the country and offered no reconstruction efforts. This plan of action brought the hatred of the West to the Middle East, which eventually led to the September 11 attacks. If the United States supports the new Republic of Iraq, this could correct past mistakes and finally bring peace between the Middle East and the West.
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[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22789470]Not trolling.
The government doesn't really have any responsibilities to me either. So I'm not a drain on society. I don't want to give anything to the government, but I don't expect to take anything.
All the government really should do for me is the basics like enforce contracts, and protect my rights from being violated like if I'm attacked by someone.
Generally, I take the most issue with the federal government. I really don't mind the state and local governments so much. They provide roads, education, and stuff like that. Which I would at least reluctantly be willing to pay for. It's stuff like the military, social security, and the other federal programs that I don't like.[/QUOTE]
They also provide clean water, standards for Food care(I assume you like not getting sick every time you eat at a restaraunt?), etc. You can't be older then 13, you really sound like an un-educated Anarchist.
You talk about killing Police if you were to break a law, then say "oh yeah all the government should do is protect me".
How does he have gold member?
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