Out of control pit bulls as they attack multiple people in the middle of the street while their owne - General

[QUOTE=No_0ne;48667528]you guys talk like pitbull are walking murder machines, yet probably have never interacted with a pitbull in your entire lives, your only experience being videos of extreme cases such as this.[/QUOTE] When I was a kid, a friend's friend had a pitbull, I would always leave when they brought it around, I was afraid of it. Months later my friend had a huge chunk of her arm ripped off by the pitbull, and the dog was put down. This is anecdotal testimony, but it's what you asked for. [QUOTE=Coyoteze;48667544]The amount of people in here willing to shit all over the entire breed just because morons tend to get these dogs as defense.[/QUOTE] They are a very powerful and dangerous breed, if we did put tighter regulations on them (Such as banning them) whatever replaced them would likely not have as high of a maim and murder rate; pitbulls are very strong, they didn't get the name pit[I]bull[/I] for nothing.

I wonder if there is any cognitive dissonance going on between people's opinions of guns and their opinion of pitbulls.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;48667549]When I was a kid, a friend's friend had a pitbull, I would always leave when they brought it around, I was afraid of it. Months later my friend had a huge chunk of her arm ripped off by the pitbull, and the dog was put down. This is anecdotal testimony, but it's what you asked for. They are a very powerful and dangerous breed, [B]if we did put tighter regulations on them (Such as banning them)[/B] whatever replaced them would likely not have as high of a maim and murder rate; pitbulls are very strong, they didn't get the name put[I]bull[/I] for nothing.[/QUOTE] regulation != ban "For 401 dogs described in various media accounts, reported breed differed for 124 (30.9%); for 346 dogs with both media and animal control breed reports, breed differed for 139 (40.2%). Valid breed determination was possible for only [B]45 (17.6%) DBRFs[/B]; 20 breeds, including 2 known mixes, were identified." look at all these pitbulls that were totally to blame for these fatalities oh wait, only 20 percent of cases are actually the correct breed????

yes, the man-made breed is called "pitbull" because they were bred to be warm and fuzzy creatures. dogs are like my favorite thing on this earth but you guys really need to get real

There is a reason pit bulls are banned in so many places across the world. They shouldn't exist.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;48666909]"Unfortunately"? Are you fucking serious? They deserve to be put down after this shit, the only thing unfortunate here is that this situation happened at all.[/QUOTE] 'unfortunately' that one person had to be seriously injured, many others also injured or traumatized, that two dogs have to be put down, that the owner is now in some serious legal heat, etc etc everything that happened here was a fucking shame that ruined the day of everybody directly involved so yes, unfortunately, it happened.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;48667505]apparently the owner (not in the video) actually ordered the dogs to attack the guy. fucking scum of the earth[/QUOTE] See what I mean? It ultimately falls to the owner to raise them responsibly. This goes to [B][I]all[/I][/B] dogs, not just pit bulls or German shepherds. Crappy owners = crappy, violent dogs.

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;48667579]regulation != ban[/QUOTE] Hence "such as", do I explicitly need to state exemplī grātiā? I don't think banning is the solution, in fact I don't propose a solution at all, the whole dog breeder problem is a big mess in its own. [QUOTE=LordCrypto;48667579] "For 401 dogs described in [U]various media accounts[/U], reported breed differed for 124 (30.9%); for 346 dogs with both media and animal control breed reports, breed differed for 139 (40.2%). Valid breed determination [U]was possible for only[/U] [B]45 (17.6%) DBRFs[/B]; 20 breeds, including 2 known mixes, were identified." look at all these pitbulls that were totally to blame for these fatalities oh wait, only 20 percent of cases are actually the correct breed????[/QUOTE] I assume this is from a CDC study, may I have the original publication for context? Since I'm reading this to state they in media accounts, only 17.6% were identifiable as the correct breed. This doesn't say that in document attack cases they only account for 17.6%, as earlier posted in this thread there are statistics that show a significant lead: [QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;48666068]Lmao where is your fucking logic. Maybe if all dogs that exist equally killed 2 people a year, getting rid of one is just a drop in the bucket but that's fucking wrong. Pitbulls kill the most people each year and doubtlessly injure more. [img]http://puu.sh/k8v7B/e28b4a2056.png[/img] [url]http://www.dogsbite.org/[/url] [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;48667619]See what I mean? It ultimately falls to the owner to raise them responsibly. This goes to [B][I]all[/I][/B] dogs, not just pit bulls or German shepherds. Crappy owners = crappy, violent dogs.[/QUOTE] If I ordered my dog to attack somebody it'd look at me in confusion and probably not be capable of ripping off an arm.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;48667527]Oh yeah, it'll leave permanent scaring. Pitbulls are scary because they're really hard to defend against, short of having a gun there's very little you can do; they have very [I]very[/I] tough muscles around their neck and chest, making any lethal knife strike inefficient, have a very high tolerance for pain, and if you get caught in their jaws, you're pretty much done for.[/QUOTE] aren't you supposed to break/dislocate their legs at the shoulder?

the problem wih pitbulls in particular is that theyre so inbred its fucking them up on a massive level which just magnifies what they were originally bred for. environment may play a role but its not always the deciding factor unfortunately

[QUOTE=Cone;48667679]aren't you supposed to break/dislocate their legs at the shoulder?[/QUOTE] Yeah, last time I read up on self-defense against them it was something like that, your best bet is to take your shirt off, roll it on your left arm, and let them bite that. Since they'll grab on something anyway. From there you should stamp their forelegs inward, rendering them mostly immobile, then run away since you're not going to win that fight.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;48667505]apparently the owner (not in the video) actually ordered the dogs to attack the guy. fucking scum of the earth[/QUOTE] For those who want to read more about what happened, [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/pit-bulls-attack-man-bronx-graphic-video-shows-article-1.2358056[/url] [QUOTE]A Bronx woman ordered her two pit bulls to viciously attack a 62-year-old man Friday morning as neighbors frantically tried to intervene and blood streaked the street, according to police and graphic video.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48665623]Last time I checked, most - if not all - dogs who attack people have to be put down, because one of the reasons could be that they probably won't treat people the same way as before the attack, and could become increasingly dangerous and almost impossible to re-educate... or so I've read. [editline]12th September 2015[/editline] I've read some time ago that there are a few bloodlines of German/Belgian shepherds that can also be very agressive, yet I've never heard of those attacking people nearly as much as these other breeds do. It's always the same breeds; rottweilers and/or pitbulls. [editline]12th September 2015[/editline] Also, as a non-dog person, I think they're more beautiful than pitbulls and rottweilers, love that black fur that gives them a wolf-ish kinda look The way I see it, rottweilers and pitbulls are cool among "bros" because they think they're just badass, and are fetishized (that is to say, the dog ends up being an extension of their cocks, just like their jacked-up pickup trucks), but they know nothing about how to raise a dog, and unfortunately most of them end up on the wrong hands... which leads to incidents like these.[/QUOTE] I have a belgian shepherd and he's about the most docile passive loveable pile of fluff you'll ever meet. Literally everytime I've ever known any dog trouble occur it's always a rottweiler or some sort of staffy. It might just be a case that unpleasant people tend to gravitate towards those dogs and therefore they become unpleasant dogs, but it does seem like they are the cause of most trouble. Several times my dog has been attacked by a rottweiler while out on walks.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;48667646]Hence "for example". I don't think banning is the solution, in fact I don't propose a solution at all, the whole dog breeder problem is a big mess in its own. I assume this is from a CDC study, may I have the original publication for context? Since I'm reading this to state they in media accounts, only 17.6% were identifiable as the correct breed. This doesn't say that in document attack cases they only account for 17.6%, as earlier posted in this thread there are statistics that show a significant lead:[/QUOTE] [url]http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726[/url]

I find it quite amusing how many parallels you can draw between pit bulls and guns. Both can be dangerous under certain circumstances, both can be owned safely by responsible owners, and both are used for crime to harmful effect (guns to a far larger extent than pit bulls, however). I wonder how many pit bull attacks are attributable to being raised by owners involved in crime or who otherwise intentionally train them to be violent.

[QUOTE=Flameon;48667561]I wonder if there is any cognitive dissonance going on between people's opinions of guns and their opinion of pitbulls.[/QUOTE] you're comparing a living creature - one that has literally been given the moniker "man's best friend" - to a hunk of metal. that's where the "dissonance" comes out of.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48667748]I find it quite amusing how many parallels you can draw between pit bulls and guns. Both can be dangerous under certain circumstances, both can be owned safely by responsible owners, and both are used for crime to harmful effect (guns to a far larger extent than pit bulls, however). I wonder how many pit bull attacks are attributable to being raised by owners involved in crime or who otherwise intentionally train them to be violent.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/2006-ownership-high-risk-dogs-marker-deviant-behavior.pdf]This[/url] says that they're very popular with criminals because of their tendency to not show aggression until they're already attacking, their power and ferocity, and the image of a "badass dog."

Just a reminder:[video]https://youtu.be/aCv10_WvGxo[/video]

[QUOTE=Laferio;48666003]Asteroid, please don't post information regarding life threatening situations in regards to pitt-bull attacks. Based on your previous posts I'm going to assume you have little idea what you're talking about, and are/is basing "advice" off of previous situations that are anecdotal. Whenever posting about life threatening situations, I usually leave it up to the poster to seek professional advice, NOT advice from some random dude on the internet. I'm not posting this for brownie points, I'm posting this because I'd rather much people seek[/QUOTE] No, they're not. I've had five dogs of various pedigrees, my relatives and friends have also had a decent variety including multiple pit bulls. I've worked at an animal shelter and (as any potential dog owner should) extensively researched a variety of breeds. I'm not a professional of course, my time at the shelter was part time and unpaid volunteer work, but don't try to pretend I'm the one pulling anecdotes out of my bloodthirsty ass.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48665679]Hardly. Pit bulls as a breed actually have some of the most gentle and friendly personalities you're going to find in a dog. The problem people have with them is that in addition to the bad reputation they're very big and have extremely powerful jaws, so when they try to greet someone that person thinks they're being attacked, they fight back, and then it actually becomes an attack, and it does not end well for anyone.[/QUOTE] Pit bulls have a ton of natural energy and adrenaline. When they are friendly, they are playful, not gentle. If you want a naturally docile dog, get a basset hound or a fat golden lab.

A pitbull isn't a inherently violent creature, they are just often used for violence. Most people who own a pitbull want them for an aggressive purpose, they are seen as the fighting dog and were bred for exactly that. It is why so many gangs often buy these breeds and parade them with chain leashes, encouraging them to be aggressive against rivals.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48665692]Every single human involved on that street did everything wrong. The only people who didn't actively escalate the situation were the owner who simply didn't have enough control to do anything, and the ones who stayed upstairs and called the police. The way the man they were jumping on, and the ones who attempted to help him acted did nothing but provoke them. When a dog is in a fight they will not get beaten into submission, no matter what the breed, you need to distract them and relax them.[/QUOTE] had run in with violent dogs, they soon stop once you grab a hold of their throat and squeeze. They may not get beaten into submission so to speak but they need to breathe.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48665578]People keep saying its the owners and it is to some extent but honestly. The breed is just violent. Look at what they did to that arm and how often this breed ends up attacking people.[/QUOTE] This breed often attacks people, because those who buy them try to rear them up aggressively. Self fullfilling prophecy really. Though it's kinda weird how no one seems to even consider how to deal with aggressive dogs. A human is generally stronger. Got for thier snouts or their throats. [QUOTE=glitchvid;48667711]Yeah, last time I read up on self-defense against them it was something like that, your best bet is to take your shirt off, roll it on your left arm, and let them bite that. Since they'll grab on something anyway. From there you should stamp their forelegs inward, rendering them mostly immobile, then run away since you're not going to win that fight.[/QUOTE] From what I remember of self defense, it hugely depends on the type of dog. Pitts and similar are actually not so problematic if you keep your cool. They're vicious, but not overtly strong or heavy. You should generally be returning aggression with more of it. It's the heavy dogs you should worry about. Anything with enough size, speed and stregth to be able to topple you and go for your throat. Generally speaking though, a human with a cool head almost always has an advantage.

[QUOTE=Pinut;48668168]had run in with violent dogs, they soon stop once you grab a hold of their throat and squeeze. They may not get beaten into submission so to speak but they need to breathe.[/QUOTE] Good luck trying to do that when a poorly trained German Shepard has your achilles heel as a new biting toy. Side question, though: I saw a woman scream at a Golden Retriever because it barked, then growled at it like a madwoman to make it stop. Please don't tell me this represents what people call "discipline" because the actual owner never had an issue with the dog aside from barking.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48665578]People keep saying its the owners and it is to some extent but honestly. The breed is just violent. Look at what they did to that arm and how often this breed ends up attacking people.[/QUOTE] You are very ignorant if you think that.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;48668175]From what I remember of self defense, it hugely depends on the type of dog. Pitts and similar are actually not so problematic if you keep your cool. They're vicious, but not overtly strong or heavy. You should generally be returning aggression with more of it. It's the heavy dogs you should worry about. Anything with enough size, speed and stregth to be able to topple you and go for your throat. Generally speaking though, a human with a cool head almost always has an advantage.[/QUOTE] IIRC Pits have very strong jaws, and a lot of neck muscle, making choking them out ineffective, I finally found a fairly well written [url=https://exigentcircumstance.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/combative-anatomy-how-to-fight-a-dog/]article[/url] on some methods (Not for the squeamish), I have been lucky enough to never be in a bad situation with a dog, I cannot say the same for my father though.

[t]http://momentsjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bear_02.jpg[/t][t]http://cheetah-facts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/cheetah-pet.jpg[/t][t]http://blogs.discovery.com/.a/6a00d8341bf67c53ef017c329f3b62970b-500wi[/t][t]http://static01.nyt.com/images/2009/03/29/nyregion/29wolf.span.jpg[/t] you can tame almost any animal that is normally deemed "Vicious killers", you just have to KNOW what the hell you are doing. Pitbulls are no exception. Pitbulls, bears, wolves, cheetahs, even crocodiles can all be tamed if you know what you're doing. This doesn't mean they aren't able to do terrible vicious shit. Pitbulls are bred differently than golden retrievers or poodles. They are bred attack dogs, doesn't mean they have to [B]BE[/B] attack dogs. Even a croc can cuddle. Many dogs by nature are able to tear animals a hundred times their size up, without any trouble at all. Doesn't mean they are killers, but they can be. Doesn't mean you can just find an adult bear or pitbull or gorilla in the wild either and be besties and take selfies either. [t]http://texasworkingshepherds.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/robuk077.jpg[/t] you see this trio? They're called the "Triple Threat"

[QUOTE=glitchvid;48667549]When I was a kid, a friend's friend had a pitbull, I would always leave when they brought it around, I was afraid of it. Months later my friend had a huge chunk of her arm ripped off by the pitbull, and the dog was put down. This is anecdotal testimony, but it's what you asked for. They are a very powerful and dangerous breed, if we did put tighter regulations on them (Such as banning them) whatever replaced them would likely not have as high of a maim and murder rate; pitbulls are very strong, they didn't get the name pit[I]bull[/I] for nothing.[/QUOTE] I too was unnecessarily afraid of pit bulls when I was a youngster because everyone had told me I should be. That was until I was 13 and made a new friend, whose family had 3 pits. I spent many days which turned into months and years with those dogs and they were a part of the family. They've never attacked or hurt anyone or each other and are very docile. If raised well from pups to grown adults, they make excellent family additions. I've watched those dogs play with babies ffs, and not a single bad thing has ever happened. It's all in the environment. Admittedly, one time the oldest males t-bagged me while I was sleeping, but that was just good for a laugh.

This nearly happened to me on the way to work this week, I was just walking and the dog started charging at me nearly took a good bit of my leg out luckily it didn't bit in but seriously pitpulls/rotwilers need HEAVY restrictions on owning and taking them out in public.