Out of control pit bulls as they attack multiple people in the middle of the street while their owne - General

[QUOTE=AaronM202;48669484]Jesus fucking Christ.[/QUOTE] what exactly is so unreasonable about being scared of your kids being around an animal that's easily capable of killing them like, I wouldn't feel comfortable just leaving any sort of decently sized dog around a baby, it's the same concept At the end of the day you're talking about an animal. An animal can just get pissed off, same as people can. The difference is that animals aren't capable of reason or self reflection.

yea, ok. you got me :I [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48669531]what exactly is so unreasonable about being scared of your kids being around an animal that's easily capable of killing them like, I wouldn't feel comfortable just leaving any sort of decently sized dog around a baby, it's the same concept At the end of the day you're talking about an animal. An animal can just get pissed off, same as people can. The difference is that animals aren't capable of reason or self reflection.[/QUOTE] said better what i couldn't [editline]d[/editline] sorry but you can call me biased, someone who watched the news too much, but im weary of them. even after seeing one run into a bar cuddling and licking 20 drunk people and myself

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48669531]what exactly is so unreasonable about being scared of your kids being around an animal that's easily capable of killing them like, I wouldn't feel comfortable just leaving any sort of decently sized dog around a baby, it's the same concept At the end of the day you're talking about an animal. An animal can just get pissed off, same as people can. The difference is that animals aren't capable of reason or self reflection.[/QUOTE] See thats the thing, its just pit bulls is what he's saying. Somehow, they're just worse than other big dogs, because they exist. Are they strong as fuck? Yeah. Can they kill you? Yeah. But so can pretty much every dog of the same, or bigger, size.

Honestly, I'm not a voice of authority on this matter, but as far as how I see it, I would say that a pitbull is a dog bred for fighting and are maybe a bit more predisposed to violent behavior because of that BUT that they can be trained into a proper family dog. It's not black and white "PITBULLS ARE EVIL ITS NOT THE TRAINER'S FAULT" or "PITBULLS ARE INNOCENT ITS ALL ON THE TRAINER", it's both. They can be violent, but can be trained out of it if done so properly. The problems is that most people don't understand what needs to be done to train them that way. It's more effort than people realize. Different breeds act differently. That's a fact. I don't think it's far fetched to assume that some dogs can be inherently more aggressive than others. But I also believe they can be made perfectly acceptable through proper training. My uncle has a super friendly pitbull that wouldn't hurt a fly, and another pitbull almost killed my brother by tearing his neck when he was a kid.

[QUOTE=J!NX;48668361][t]http://momentsjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bear_02.jpg[/t][t]http://cheetah-facts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/cheetah-pet.jpg[/t][t]http://blogs.discovery.com/.a/6a00d8341bf67c53ef017c329f3b62970b-500wi[/t][t]http://static01.nyt.com/images/2009/03/29/nyregion/29wolf.span.jpg[/t] you can tame almost any animal that is normally deemed "Vicious killers", you just have to KNOW what the hell you are doing. Pitbulls are no exception.[/QUOTE] I don't think people should be allowed to keep any of these animals as pets in municipal areas. Hell, probably against rural people having them as well.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48669550]I don't think people should be allowed to keep any of these animals as pets in municipal areas.[/QUOTE] Dont actually go so far as to compare a pit bull to a crocodile. I know you're thinking about it. Dont.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;48669540]See thats the thing, its just pit bulls is what he's saying. Somehow, they're just worse than other big dogs, because they exist. Are they strong as fuck? Yeah. Can they kill you? Yeah. But so can pretty much every dog of the same, or bigger, size.[/QUOTE] pit bulls are responsible for more deaths than all other dog breeds combined of fucking course people are going to be more afraid of them, statistically speaking they are more likely to try and fucking kill you statistically, it really is just pit bulls. Maybe that would change, maybe rottweilers would just start killing more people in their stead, but we're not fortune tellers. We can only make judgements based on currently available data.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;48669477]I'm not arguing that that little chihuahua isn't any less aggressive then the pitbull down the street is the problem is that chihuahua wasn't bred to be a fighting dog. the pitbull was. the pitbull is more of a threat. a pretty scary threat if you have kids around. it's been mulled over but that's why they need to be regulated somehow or made sure their owners aren't absolute shitheads when they're being bought. this will never happen though[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;ropSDJSKsNc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ropSDJSKsNc[/video] Such a vicious threat. There's a saying among dog owners: "there are no bad dogs, only bad owners, breeders, and trainers" and in this case bad bystanders. Dogs have no natural fear or aggression towards humans, they only become that way because someone forced them to. [editline]12th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48669569]pit bulls are responsible for more deaths than all other dog breeds combined of fucking course people are going to be more afraid of them, statistically speaking they are more likely to try and fucking kill you statistically, it really is just pit bulls. Maybe that would change, maybe rottweilers would just start killing more people in their stead, but we're not fortune tellers. We can only make judgements based on currently available data.[/QUOTE] Pit bulls are responsible for more deaths, not attacks. Statistically they're no more likely to attack you than any other, just because of their powerful jaws those attacks are more likely to end badly.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48669569]pit bulls are responsible for more deaths than all other dog breeds combined of fucking course people are going to be more afraid of them, statistically speaking they are more likely to try and fucking kill you statistically, it really is just pit bulls. Maybe that would change, maybe rottweilers would just start killing more people in their stead, but we're not fortune tellers. We can only make judgements based on currently available data.[/QUOTE] The reason that is is because violent people want violent bloodthirsty guard/attack dogs, or just shitty dudebros want dudebro dogs, and they are attracted to the breed precisely because of their violent reputation. Its pretty much "Statement X says Y is Z. Y is Z because of Statement X"

i dont think youre paying any attention as to what im trying to say so ill just stop

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48669582][video=youtube;ropSDJSKsNc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ropSDJSKsNc[/video] Such a vicious threat. There's a saying among dog owners: "there are no bad dogs, only bad owners, breeders, and trainers" and in this case bad bystanders. Dogs have no natural fear or aggression towards humans, they only become that way because someone forced them to. [editline]12th September 2015[/editline] Pit bulls are responsible for more deaths, not attacks. Statistically they're no more likely to attack you than any other, just because of their powerful jaws those attacks are more likely to end badly.[/QUOTE] isn't that exactly the point like, it doesn't matter if pit bulls are more dangerous because they have a biological need to feed on the blood of the innocent or because they're just really good at killing, the point is that they're more dangerous than other breeds the reason why they kill people is not the problem, the problem is that they kill people

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48669611]isn't that exactly the point like, it doesn't matter if pit bulls are more dangerous because they have a biological need to feed on the blood of the innocent or because they're just really good at killing, the point is that they're more dangerous than other breeds the reason why they kill people is not the problem, the problem is that they kill people[/QUOTE] this x100000

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;48669603]i dont think youre paying any attention as to what im trying to say so ill just stop[/QUOTE] No i know exactly what you're saying. Its just that what you're saying is stupid and reinforcing the stereotype, which perpetuates the problem.

OK. It's a stereotype that bears (at least) some amount of truth. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world where everyone is a perfect owner. Which is why I'm cautious of Pitbulls.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;48669601]The reason that is is because violent people want violent bloodthirsty guard/attack dogs, or just shitty dudebros want dudebro dogs, and they are attracted to the breed precisely because of their violent reputation. Its pretty much "Statement X says Y is Z. Y is Z because of Statement X"[/QUOTE] Doesn't that contradict what asteroidrules is saying? if pit bulls aren't responsible for any more attacks on average, then surely they aren't any less well trained than the average dog? It's just that when a chihuahua is poorly trained, it's annoying. When a pit bull is poorly trained, it's lethal.

I hear some people [none of which on this thread] praise and verbalise their views on "discipline" so heavily that it borderlines obsessive, like leaving a muzzle on their dog for extended periods of time or generally angry techniques of enforcement. I mean, if I got a dog I would expect and not even be bothered by occasional barking or some type of mild tomfoolery. It just seems like setting your pet up for issues if you try and grind them in the dirt for being a dog, unless it's guarding some kind of junkyard or something, it seems like you're going to create a very angry animal.

man a lot of people in this thread really just have an urge to shoot every pit bull

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;48669668]man a lot of people in this thread really just have an urge to shoot every pit bull[/QUOTE] [I]Oh shut. up.[/I] I don't agree with what a lot of people in this thread have said, but who's [I]actually [/I]calling for them to all be [I]shot?[/I] Disagree with Rofl_Copter all you want, but don't try and twist his words like that, it's the stupidest and most invalid way to make an argument.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;48669629]OK. It's a stereotype that bears (at least) some amount of truth. [/QUOTE] And why is it exactly do you think that is? Go ahead, i'll give you a minute or two.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;48669668]man a lot of people in this thread really just have an urge to shoot every pit bull[/QUOTE] so yea that's a pretty fair assumption i guess [QUOTE=AaronM202;48669682]And why is it exactly do you think that is?[/QUOTE] think we're beating a dead horse here unless you just wanted a chance to be clever

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;48669668]man a lot of people in this thread really just have an urge to shoot every pit bull[/QUOTE] Well, lets be honest: an extreme example would be a Wolf pet. Those things are unstable as hell if you get the wrong one, some people are luckier and get a slightly more loyal wolf but that is not to say theres always a risk. [like most things, Wolves just are a little bit more notorious than a Golden Retriever] A Pit Bull if raised like its a criminal will likely behave like one later on, or if the dog is cared for and treated well and has no mental issues and generally bad temperament, it will not harm anyone unless its a clear threat. This is generally why I get a bit suspicious of a dog owner when it muzzles their dog for barking at a cat or something of similar nature. I'm sure muzzles can come in handy [U]sometimes[/U] but usually I find them abused.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;48669696] think we're beating a dead horse here unless you just wanted a chance to be clever[/QUOTE] You could just answer the question.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;48669733]You could just answer the question.[/QUOTE] no, id rather just spite you :) because pit bulls can maul people, like here. it's pretty simple really someone already pointed out that a woman raised a pitbull since it was a puppy, then it killed her. why do you think this is so?

[QUOTE=AaronM202;48669733]You could just answer the question.[/QUOTE] I don't think there really is a definite answer to that question though. I at least haven't seen any conclusive proof pointing towards any one thing. Going by what I have heard in this thread, the reason that pit bulls are perceived as more dangerous seems to be that they are physically more capable of inflicting harm than other breeds.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;48665594]They should not be allowed. They were bred for this, it's in their genes.[/QUOTE] Yeah just like how all black people are evil niggers who will rape your daughters. No, not really. My boss has a pitbull who was afaik used as a fighting dog before being rescued by him so he doesn't get along with other animals but he loves people as much as a labrador or golden retriever would. My godfathers rottweiler was also very docile and a big lapdog before he died.

You could replace "Pit Bulls" with "Guns" and you'd have basically the exact same arguments that always appear in gun debates. "Guns are only dangerous in the hands of idiots" "Guns are perfectly safe, I use them for game hunting/range shooting etc. all the time" "You're generalizing over all gun owners." Vs. "Pitbulls are only dangerous when raised by idiots" "Pitbulls are very safe, I have a very lovable pitbull who's never attacked anyone" "You're generalizing over all Pitbulls" And then we get the slippery slope counter when you want to ban it: "People can kill just as well with knives. Are you gonna ban knives next?" "They'll just get guns illegally" vs. "Dudebros are just going to buy a different breed to raise (and to neglect) next. Are we going to ban "insert_breed_here" next?" "They'll just get/breed Pitbulls illegally" Completely ignoring the fact that a different breed won't have the same capabilities a Pitbull has. Ps. "Stereotyping the breed will only make the problem get worse." When in the history of ever has anyone successfully managed to make a stereotype go away? Do you really think that dudebros will stop buying Pitbulls if we portrayed them as safe, cuddly animals all of a sudden?

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;48669794]Yeah just like how all black people are evil niggers who will rape your daughters. No, not really.[/QUOTE] yeah, great comparison. almost as good as the one comparing gun regulation to dog regulation gr8 thread

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48669791]I don't think there really is a definite answer to that question though. I at least haven't seen any conclusive proof pointing towards any one thing.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Nobody in this thread knows for certain if Pitbulls have a predisposition to aggression or not. Nobody here is an expert on the subject. We can shout anecdotal scenarios about kind/viscous pitbulls we knew at each other 'til we're blue in the face and that won't change.

It's a bit stupid that most counter arguments to "pitbulls are violent" are either anecdotes ("my brother owns one and it hasn't killed anyone so it's fine") or weird ass shortcuts that don't make much sense like posting pictures of pitbulls with other animals to show they're not violent, or even worse, posting pictures of people with dangerous animals to prove they can be tamed. Some animals are violent. Some animals are more prone to violence than others. Dogs aren't violent by nature but they're still carnivorous creatures with a pack mentality, and some of them are built to attack directly, along with the selective breeding destined to increase these traits. A breed of dog that was successfully bred with direct attacks in mind rather than guarding, hunting or anything else will be more efficient at performing these direct attacks than other breeds, [I]because that's why they exist[/I]. All dogs can be violent shits. All dogs can be tame and peaceful. It just so happens that a pile of muscles that was specifically bred to kill will be more efficient at killing should it decide to do so than a breed that was specifically bred to dig holes or track smells. So you end up with dogs that are easily pent up, who are strong enough to kill a person dangerously fast, and who are generally being bought in unstable circles by unstable people with no knowledge of how to train a dog (not that they'd want to). On top of that are added the issues of inbreeding inherent with pure breeds which notably include mental instability and unpredictable behavior. This whole "there is no bad dogs, only bad trainers/breeders" is stupid. You can't entirely dismiss an animal's behavior if it's bad by claiming it's due to the owner being bad. There are breeds which are known to be generally calm and composed, just as much as there are breed which are known to be generally brutal and nervous. The human race has been selectively breeding dogs for centuries specifically because that technique yields actual results, and actually impacts how a certain breed thinks, acts and reacts to certain things. Another important thing is that the numerous recorded pitbull attacks were notably [I]unprovoked[/I]. Most dogs will attack back if they're threatened or pushed around too much, especially if they're untrained and the person doing the pushing is a stranger (again, pack mentality). A dog attacking something most other breeds will see as harmless (most domestic dogs will see toddlers and young kids as completely harmless and won't bother attacking them because they're not threats and they're not food) is a really bad sign. When it happens this frequently, it's no longer just because of bad owners and it starts taking deeper roots than that.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;48669802]yeah, great comparison. almost as good as the one comparing gun regulation to dog regulation gr8 thread[/QUOTE] yeah, great post. almost as good as the others generalizing an entire breed(race/gun owners) for the actions of a few and saying they should all be put down when that will just make fighting rings look for another breed to use. gr8 post.