• LeafyIsHere: The H3H3 Productions Rant
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[QUOTE=Tsyolin;49998536]Okay can someone give me a rundown of what happened, I really don't like looking into this YT drama that much but I guess its nice to stay informed. At the beginning of the thread everyone was like "Damn Leafy's got a point, Ethan man what are you doing?", but now everyone is pretty much universally saying "Fuck Leafy the guy's a cunt and Ethan did nothing wrong". Did I miss something?[/QUOTE] Ethan talks a little bit of shit about Youtubers he doesn't like outside the scenes. That's pretty much the extent of the "bad" that Ethan has done. Leafy's trying to emphasize this [I]one thing[/I] to the point where he thinks it invalidates Ethan's point that Leafy's a horrible content creator.
[QUOTE=Keychain;49998590]Ethan talks a little bit of shit about Youtubers he doesn't like outside the scenes. That's pretty much the extent of the "bad" that Ethan has done. Leafy's trying to emphasize this [I]one thing[/I] to the point where he thinks it invalidates Ethan's point that Leafy's a horrible content creator.[/QUOTE] Although, he himself arguably shit-talked about Pyro more than H3 did. [url]http://imgur.com/a/7o5ku[/url]
[QUOTE=Radio Yes;49998518]And? Even if this counts as an apology, 2 days later he started fanning the flames again because he wasn't sorry and he was really angry. Leafy is a scumbag and I'm glad h3 called him out on it, now I know to never support this lying, manipulaive, douchebags channel[/QUOTE]Yes, I know; I mentioned in my previous post that I realized that this apology doesn't seem very genuine, so I agree with what you are saying here.
[QUOTE=Tsyolin;49998536]Okay can someone give me a rundown of what happened, I really don't like looking into this YT drama that much but I guess its nice to stay informed. At the beginning of the thread everyone was like "Damn Leafy's got a point, Ethan man what are you doing?", but now everyone is pretty much universally saying "Fuck Leafy the guy's a cunt and Ethan did nothing wrong". Did I miss something?[/QUOTE] ethan and leafy initially talk some smack about pyro in private, ethan elects not to turn it into a public fiasco, leafy agrees, its settled. leafy makes a video poking fun at an autistic man; his fans figure out who it is and harass him for being autistic and making death threats. autistic man makes a response video where he is distraught and asks why leafy would do this(leafy himself did nothing towards the guy except rip about him, only his toxic fans actually harassed the guy). ethan sees this and calls out Leafy in a video about it. Ethan pretty much states that all Leafy does is pick on young and/or socially awkward bloggers and bashes them. Leafy sees the callout video and creates his own rant on Ethan, whereas he counters Ethan by noting he does the exact same thing. His video evidence cites Ethan making fun of the 15 year old guy with a weird hairstyle, and doesn't point out any more evidence. Furthermore, Leafy releases screenshots of the private convo he had with Ethan and villifies him by stating that Ethan thought about crucifying Pyro. That's about the factual gist of it.
[QUOTE=Reflex F.N.;49997093]I would like to think of myself as neutral but I would also like to point out that Leafy apologized, even before he posted the rant about H3H3. People make mistakes. Leafy seems like he genuinely did not know that the kid had autism. When he found out, he apologized. [video]https://youtu.be/ShbBDjQ7zpA[/video][/QUOTE] no not really? the entire video he's deflecting blame onto his viewers and even then, he doesn't tell them to stop or correct their behavior, only "thanks for supporting me". it's obvious he WANTS them to continue what they're doing because he's out for petty revenge, as noted by his h3h3 rant. [editline]24th March 2016[/editline] he may be 20 years old, but he has the mentality of a 12 year old with his hand in the cookie jar trying to lie his way out.
[video=youtube;9yoexqNcGgo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yoexqNcGgo[/video] From Pyro
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;49998844]no not really? the entire video he's deflecting blame onto his viewers and even then, he doesn't tell them to stop or correct their behavior, only "thanks for supporting me". it's obvious he WANTS them to continue what they're doing because he's out for petty revenge, as noted by his h3h3 rant. [editline]24th March 2016[/editline] he may be 20 years old, but he has the mentality of a 12 year old with his hand in the cookie jar trying to lie his way out.[/QUOTE] the guy uses an easy to copy formula and has a 1 million subscriber fan base filled with children. his hobby is making people feel like shit and gets money from it. of course he won't stop the clickbait videos and the horrible content. hes going to milk it to the very end.
I've been watching Leafy's videos for about two months now and I've been watching H3H3 for over a year, and to me they both are in the wrong here. First off, I think Ethan is taking Leafy's videos way too seriously. Leafy almost never directly attacks the person but makes fun of their content. However, Leafy does need to choose his videos wisely now because of his cancer ridden followers (H3H3 does as well.) H3H3 is no god, and Leafy isn't the 100% villain here.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;49999048]From Pyro[/QUOTE] Im going to say this again. I am fucking sick of youtube drama. I feel bad for Pyro being stuck in the middle of this
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;49999171]the guy uses an easy to copy formula and has a 1 million subscriber fan base filled with children. his hobby is making people feel like shit and gets money from it. of course he won't stop the clickbait videos and the horrible content. hes going to milk it to the very end.[/QUOTE] I wonder if he'll make another video.
[QUOTE=Lerlth;49999181]I've been watching Leafy's videos for about two months now and I've been watching H3H3 for over a year, and to me they both are in the wrong here. First off, I think Ethan is taking Leafy's videos way too seriously. Leafy almost never directly attacks the person but makes fun of their content. However, Leafy does need to choose his videos wisely now because of his cancer ridden followers (H3H3 does as well.) H3H3 is no god, and Leafy isn't the 100% villain here.[/QUOTE] I had this stance at the beginning but honestly I think Leafy is at fault for how he's handled this. His "apology" video mentioned Tommy once and didn't even apologize to him, it was just him trying to backpedal and justify his actions. And the H3H3 rant video is just adding more pointless drama. He really should have just released a sincere apology video and then moved on. And Ethan needs to stop acting like the moral arbiter of YT and go back to making entertainment.
[QUOTE=DONK! 2x;49994771]ethan has good reason to hate on leafy: 90% of his new shit is just making fun of people. also leafy watchu doing picking on someone with 1.1 mil subs while you have 1.6 mil for shaaaame[/QUOTE] You See if i have 0 subs i can hate on everything ez, My own personal echo chamber of negativity.
[QUOTE=Megaman1811;49999184]Im going to say this again. I am fucking sick of youtube drama. I feel bad for Pyro being stuck in the middle of this[/QUOTE] He's only "in the middle" because he made the first video. Had he just ignored the whole thing he never would have been a real part of it. Nothing outside of a private conversation had anything to do with him.
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[QUOTE=joshuadim;49999048][video=youtube;9yoexqNcGgo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yoexqNcGgo[/video] From Pyro[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/iK1g6xG.png[/img] ETHAN CANNOT LET IT GO
Pyro and h3h3 are both atleast in the gray, Keemstar (surprise surprise) is fanning the flames for that sweet dosh, and Leafy is a harassing cunt. Glad that [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1511810"]Dunkey is the only one who's poking fun at this[/URL] right now. [editline]March 24th 2016[/editline] ninja'd
Kind of feel bad for Pyro since he got caught in the crossfire because Leafy just had to make the DMs between him and H3 public once he got called out. Can't imagine how it feels to have someone you admire turn out to despise you and your content.
[QUOTE=Dr. Kyuros;49999458]Pyro and h3h3 are both atleast in the gray, Keemstar (surprise surprise) is fanning the flames for that sweet dosh, and Leafy is a harassing cunt. Glad that [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1511810"]Dunkey is the only one who's poking fun at this[/URL] right now. [editline]March 24th 2016[/editline] ninja'd[/QUOTE] Well ancientreality made this [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upxp9QdmDiA[/media]
[QUOTE=NateDude;49999449] ETHAN CANNOT LET IT GO[/QUOTE] well of course not pyro did his own share of sabotage he never addressed what ethan said in his mega post about the initial video. he also never addressed that what he said about ethan talking to other youtubers ended up being false. pyro got himself involved on his own accord and shared information with leafy for his retaliation video. its backstabbing at its finest, ironically after ethan tried making amends with him. update: he removed his post, for obvious reasons. i still feel for him though. hopefully after this people will see what type of people pyro and leafy are, besides tumors.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;49999048][video=youtube;9yoexqNcGgo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yoexqNcGgo[/video] From Pyro[/QUOTE] Pyro brings up a really good point here. With all the circlejerking going on between Leafy's fanbois, Ethan's fanbois and Pyro's fanbois there will be an excess amount of semen on youtube. Making the site way to toxic for the use of the general population.
To me, H3H3 has always criticized people who were equal to or greater than H3H3, in many aspects (popularity, profits, production quality, messages, etc.) In many words: "Punching Up". Like Ethan said, they target people who could "take it". And I believe that. Leafy seems to just attack whatever he can find. Easy targets for criticism will lead to making you look like a bully, and I truly feel that Ethan takes the time to choose his targets wisely. What does it matter that he endorsed and supported Leafy at one point? Opinions can change. Maybe he saw benefits to befriending him at one point, but realized how immature he was later. It's hard to say. I don't feel convinced that Ethan has done anything wrong (it feels like Leafy is trying to put Ethan in a biased light with the out-of-context private message quotes). H3H3's just pointing out the fact that there is a fine line between being a bully, and criticizing someone your own size. Look at GradeUnderA, he doesn't make videos criticizing random people for being who they are. That's an example to follow behind, imo.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;49999048][video=youtube;9yoexqNcGgo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yoexqNcGgo[/video] From Pyro[/QUOTE]Pyro is approaching this situation in a very mature manner, in my opinion. I think that it was unfair of people to involve Pyro in this, since he has nothing to do with it. I also feel like I know how Pyro feels right now, because knowing that people were saying horrible things about you behind your back feels quite awful; I know how it feels because I've had a lot of people talk about me behind my back and when I discovered it, I felt quite horrible, even though the people talking about me weren't particularly my friends. I think that Pyro is in a similar situation because two Youtubers that he seems to have respected turned out to hate him. It also seems that Pyro is trying to resolve this madness in a very mature way and I really respect him for that. He seems to want to resolve this without causing any drama, even though Ethan and Leafy both said horrible things about him behind his back.
I think Pyro is doing the right thing, maybe for the wrong reasons, but in the end it's best for everybody if this drama dies down. The way it's getting shut down isn't very fair to Ethan, but if people try to get a fair ending it won't be a very pretty process.
Handling it maturely would be not saying anything and not getting involved Pyro just wants his youtube fun bucks, don't act like it's anything different
[QUOTE=NateDude;49999449][img]http://i.imgur.com/iK1g6xG.png[/img] ETHAN CANNOT LET IT GO[/QUOTE] Honestly can't agree with ethan on alot of this. I love H3H3 but this is retarded, he needs to stop trying to spark this drama and just drop this shit it's fucking stupid, and just because he isn't making a video on it doesn't mean he isn't perpetuating the drama either, that doesn't change anything. I don't understand why anybody thinks "pyros in on it" or some dumb shit, he was clearly manipulated by leafy when leafy sent him out of context shit. Pyro said in his video he fucked up and apologized, but at the end of ethans post here he says pyro didn't own up to it even though he did. It just looks like ethans trying to pull pyro into the drama where he doesn't belong. At the end of the day, like i said before, i'll keep watching pyro and i'll keep watching H3H3. I'm just not going to ride one sides dick as if they aren't at fault for anything.
I feel like what we should really be focusing on is fixing up YouTube and directing attention to falsely copyrighted videos, not this shit. It really is now a cluster fuck of hate, and honestly, I feel as though H3H3 should have just asked Leafy to make an apology video, privately. Now the communities from H3H3, Pyro and Leafy are now caught up in all of this shit, and no one is correct. It's just a shit stir. Then you have Keemstar, jerking off with one hand and eating popcorn with the other, enjoying this bullshit. That's why I want more of a direct focus on fixing YouTube instead of manufacturing drama. YouTube is not perfect, and really, this is a collaborative effort involving everyone.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;50000469]Handling it maturely would be not saying anything and not getting involved Pyro just wants his youtube fun bucks, don't act like it's anything different[/QUOTE] He admitted he fucked up and took down the other video he made on it, so I don't see how that's the case. And he actually is trying to amend the situation instead of stirring the pot like Leafy, so really I don't get the harshness for Pyro's video. Obviously he shouldn't have made the first video to begin with, but he admitted fault about it and is making some attempt at settling the situation. Also I don't get all these comments about anyone involved in this just making these videos for the money (I've seen this said about Pyro and h3h3). These videos barely get more views than their regular content, so why would they go out of their way to incite some stupid drama when they could go about their regular schedule and pull in the same views. [QUOTE=madmanmad;50000498]Honestly can't agree with ethan on alot of this -stuff-[/QUOTE] Ethan edited the comment like an hour or so later. [img]http://i.imgur.com/wvlqXM6.png[/img]
Basically heres what it seems like. Leafy is a major fuckhead. Pyro was a fuckhead Ethan was being a fuckhead. Seems like multiple people being fuckheads for a few days in public view not knowing the best ways to deal with it. A real travesty.
[QUOTE=Hervey;50000912] Ethan edited the comment like an hour or so later. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/wvlqXM6.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Good, i'm glad he's listening and realising this shit isn't worth continuing.
To be honest, the whole topic of this drama is just beyond petty. It all stems with Ethan and Leafy feeling like Pyro "stole their format", mostly talking about things like THE FUCKING BACKGROUND OF HIS PROFILE PIC, which for all we know could just be down to either coincidence, or similar tastes in visual style. And besides that, when this happens with other larger Youtubers, do you think they usually give a shit? Do you see how many people essentially copied PewDiePie's Let's Play format, and how a few of them have managed to get actual success to rival that of PDP? You don't hear PDP or others like Markiplier complaining about how someone like JackSepticEye copied their format and managed to get such success. If anything, you see those people collaborating with each other and only becoming more successful. Instead of worrying about the success of someone who makes the same types of videos as you, you should try to capitalize on that success, because promoting them is just a win win for all parties involved. Unless the collaborative content is just bad, anyway. Pretty much, everyone is in the wrong here, and in the end, it's only serving to make all sides look immature and disrespectful. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ"]In the words of Papa Franku...[/URL]
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