Amazing how Pyro got involved for no reason and still got credit for being "neutral" about something that had nothing to do with him.
[QUOTE=Hervey;50000912]He admitted he fucked up and took down the other video he made on it, so I don't see how that's the case. And he actually is trying to amend the situation instead of stirring the pot like Leafy, so really I don't get the harshness for Pyro's video. Obviously he shouldn't have made the first video to begin with, but he admitted fault about it and is making some attempt at settling the situation.
Also I don't get all these comments about anyone involved in this just making these videos for the money (I've seen this said about Pyro and h3h3). These videos barely get more views than their regular content, so why would they go out of their way to incite some stupid drama when they could go about their regular schedule and pull in the same views.
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Channels like these thrive on e-drama. There's a reason all these 'Youtube Personalities' know or are friends with Keemstar. Making e-drama videos with the ads enabled is a very clear money grab, akin to people making RIP videos for people dying with the ads enabled. H3H3 isn't immune to this. Think about how their fanbase has grown since the Finebros/Soflo controversies. Those actions were calculated in their own way, whether or not people want to admit it.
For channels like these that are producing a very warped idea of 'original content', they need stuff like this to try and break out. There's a reason H3H3 only really frontpages on Reddit when they're going after people who are doing something bad. They know that. And people like Keemstar and Leafy know all the negative shit in the world doesn't matter when it brings more attention to their channel. I didn't know who Pyro was before all this, and whether he took his video down or not, I still know who he is.
these attitudes on display from the 'Youtube Celebrities' are eerily similar to me to the Wild West days of Newgrounds. People know that only a bunch of people are going to make it big when this bubble bursts, so they're all frantically shitting on eachother and backstabbing and conspiring behind the scenes because they want to be the big dogs.
The only difference is most of the Newgrounds creatives were teenagers when it was all happening.
At the end of this, Leafy is still a terrible person though.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kanIDxkRZs[/media]
[b]HE IS LITERALLY ACTING LIKE AN IMMATURE 13 YEAR OLD AFTER THEY LOSE AN ARGUMENT WITH THEIR SOCCER MOM[/B]
He's literally making a video and acting the victim whilst being snarky at the same time. This ugly lizard cunt of a human still has the audacity to claim he is done with the youtube drama, when he is still very clearly butt hurt. Just listen to the video 40% of the time he is speaking about himself and how awful he is in a sarcastic way
and the worst part is the youtube comments are all memestars saying "nice to have u back bro!!!" as if he is the martyr patron saint of youtube
[QUOTE=FreddiRox!;50001187][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kanIDxkRZs[/media]
[b]HE IS LITERALLY ACTING LIKE AN IMMATURE 13 YEAR OLD AFTER THEY LOSE AN ARGUMENT WITH THEIR SOCCER MOM[/B]
He's literally making a video and acting the victim whilst being snarky at the same time. This ugly lizard cunt of a human still has the audacity to claim he is done with the youtube drama, when he is still very clearly butt hurt. Just listen to the video 40% of the time he is speaking about himself and how awful he is in a sarcastic way
and the worst part is the youtube comments are all memestars saying "nice to have u back bro!!!" as if he is the martyr patron saint of youtube[/QUOTE]
Just ignore it. Ethan and Pyro want it to end, so let it end.
Leafy is just another shitty Youtube channel with not much effort, atleast that's the impression in my mind. Talk about a Youtube channel that I won't remember in 1 month from now on.
Does leafy ever actually have anything to his regular videos beyond talking over CS:GO surfing footage?
I don't really get why guys are saying that Pyro involved himself rather than being originally involved in the conversation. When Ethan made that first video, he did say that "These commentary channels are the cancer of youtube". He didn't say specifically leafy. As a result, Leafy, Pyro, and LtCorbis all received a bunch of hate on their videos. Yes, even LtCorbis, an 11 year old girl. Although indirectly, Pyro was attacked by Ethan.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;50001988]I don't really get why guys are saying that Pyro involved himself rather than being originally involved in the conversation. When Ethan made that first video, he did say that "These commentary channels are the cancer of youtube". He didn't say specifically leafy. As a result, Leafy, Pyro, and LtCorbis all received a bunch of hate on their videos. Yes, even LtCorbis, an 11 year old girl. Although indirectly, Pyro was attacked by Ethan.[/QUOTE]
is it really difficult for you to comprehend? he never targeted pyro in the first place. he said "these channels" aka it's up to you to see who/what qualifies as having leafys standards, which is close to none.
pyro involved himself when leafy leaked irrelevant 2 month old private messages of ethan and leafy ranting about pyro and his channel. he didn't need to involve himself because the message ethan put out was calling out leafy for horrible content. pyro felt obliged to get involved because the leaked PM's which were leafys only defense mechanism besides cursing had to do with him.
he literally could've stayed out of it and he wouldn't have been caught in the shit storm, as a matter of fact he probably wouldn't have had ethan make amends with him which lead to him giving even more material for leafy to make a retaliation video. as many other people said, pyro most likely joined in on it for easy controversial views and quick bux. ethan explains it way better so you should probably read on his responses to pyros first video, leafys retaliation and pyros second video if its still available in the thread.
I would think having a bunch of people hating on your videos would kind of be a reason for maybe doing something about it. I think pyro was actually quite hurt by the comments that Ethan made, even if they weren't exactly directed at him. He implied that he highly respects Ethan as a youtuber, and he has used H3H3 clips in his videos in the past, as well as speaking highly of him. To be called cancer, and then receive a bunch of hateful comments on his videos, at least in my mind, kind of forces a reaction or response. His response was actually quite level but then leafy decided to release those messages and he understandably got a bit irrational.
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Are you actually confused by the concept of a person putting on a silly voice when speaking as another person?[/QUOTE]
thats what eric95 was talking about, do you even read the posts you reply to
[QUOTE=The Aussie;50002142]I would think having a bunch of people hating on your videos would kind of be a reason for maybe doing something about it. I think pyro was actually quite hurt by the comments that Ethan made, even if they weren't exactly directed at him. He implied that he highly respects Ethan as a youtuber, and he has used H3H3 clips in his videos in the past, as well as speaking highly of him. To be called cancer, and then receive a bunch of hateful comments on his videos, at least in my mind, kind of forces a reaction or response. His response was actually quite level but then leafy decided to release those messages and he understandably got a bit irrational.[/QUOTE]
it was venting. everyone does it, you dont like someone and in private you get it off your chest, thats what he was doing. it was the heat of the mome- i could've sworn i explained this earlier already
ethan apologized for it, and said he made amends with him. pyro then used that and gave leafy screen caps of the convo to be used in his reply video. mob mentality usually fades after a week.
I still fail to see how H3H3 is at fault of criticizing a channel that deserved to be criticized.
I have no idea how anything ethan did was wrong, the only thing I disagree with him on here is backtracking on the pyro stuff. Maybe he changed his mind, so be it. Leafy's gonna have to get used to criticism if he's gonna keep making videos especially if his whole shtick is being a cunt on purpose
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;50003601]I still fail to see how H3H3 is at fault of criticizing a channel that deserved to be criticized.[/QUOTE]
Ethan is the one in the least wrong here, sure, but he's still somewhat in the wrong. Sure, it might've cause Tommy to cheer up, but it also created toxic communities attacking other toxic communities. At least some fanboy-kid in all this drama has got to be emotionally affected just as much as Tommy was, if not more than just one kid. Ethan could probably've cheered up Tommy and have gotten Leafy to perhaps do something about his way of doing his videos by talking to him, instead of creating the rant video.
However, if Leafy refused, I can see a reason to make a video about it. But so far it could perhaps be seen as a quick way to make 'some of that sweet cash'.
I can see why Ethan wouldn't have done something TOO wrong with the video if he never have had contact to Leafy, but that's not the case. And whether or not they talked together, it only caused conflict between channels and their communities anyway. Avoiding this by keeping it all private would probably have been the best way for Ethan to go around it. I mean, Leafy's a big channel too, Ethan probably knew what drama this could cause, probably just not to this extent.
Sure, what Ethan did was not as bad as what Leafy did, Ethan's the one who has done the least, but I'd rather not pick a side where both did something wrong.
Perhaps it is just time to move on guys. They're reaction channels. They shit on others, whether they can take it or not. So let them shit on each other for once, why should we be worked so much up about it?
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;50002150]thats what eric95 was talking about, [B]do you even read the posts you reply to[/B][/QUOTE]
Did you even read what he said?
[QUOTE=Eric95;49996134][B]It really annoys me when people put this [I]sophisticated[/I] radio voice and accent on and do these cartoony-ass condescending villain laughs[/b] to give off an air that they're somehow above everyone[/QUOTE]
It's his voice, here is an example.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfXLtusId8o[/media]
[QUOTE=Thlis;50004292]
It's his voice, here is an example.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfXLtusId8o[/media][/QUOTE]
His laugh in the H3H3/Leafy video literally sounds like Dwight from the Office:
[video=youtube;QptfB1I7Ir8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QptfB1I7Ir8[/video]
It's forced.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;49994704]I love my boy Ethan, but I'm getting really tired of the constant, constant youtube drama. I feel like it's bigger than it ever has been. There's like this posse that's formed out of IHE, H3H3, GradeAUnderA, and a few others that are constantly getting involved or starting drama. There's something new [I]every month[/I] and then every single one of them makes 5 fucking videos on it. Even Cr1tikal has gotten in the middle of youtube drama bullshit.
These videos aren't even bad. In fact, taken individually I don't know any bad videos that have come of this trend. They're usually well made, well thought out, and even have had good effects and called out some nasty people.
The problem is, there's just [I]too god damn much of it.[/I] I don't watch any of these people for drama bullshit stupid ass shit. I watch GradeA to listen to him rant about random shit, I watch IHE to listen to him rant in hyperbole about petty things, I watch H3H3 to see Ethan goof around watching videos of strange people, I don't watch them to hear about the latest copyright strike or youtube drama shit or speculating on drama that does not involve them in any way shape or form.
I never even knew who Keemstar was until Cr1tikal talked about him and now I hear about Keemstar like every fucking day because these guys all gladly let Keemstar get involved with his show that's literally just profiteering off drama.
But the thing is, as much as Keemstar is a scummy fuckbag, he doesn't invent drama, at least not often. Keemstar feeds off drama, but he isn't the source. H3H3, GradeA, IHE, and others are in a way [I]worse[/I] than Keemstar because they actively cause drama or thrust themselves in to the middle of drama to make even more drama. Every channel feels like fucking dramaalert now. In the past three months, GradeA's made [I]7[/I] drama videos and 8 regular videos.
It's just too god damn much and it's getting really tiring. Everyone needs to chill out. Put the Youtube Justice League on vacation and take a break to focus on what your channels are actually supposed to be about, for fuck's sake.[/QUOTE]
The problem that I have with what you're saying is if they don't do it, no one will. If you wanna get mad at someone, get mad at YouTube's awful automated moderation and legal services that only focus on what earns YouTube enough money with the least amount of legal risk. These people are generally involved in making YouTube a better space so that they feel more comfortable producing their normal content. As it stands, H3H3 and GradeAUnderA have been both fucked by YouTube's broken monetization model as their videos' profit shifted to them to other people, and H3H3 didn't want to be associated with this guys' style of comedy. I don't see the problem. Just click something else.
After thinking about the situation and watching Ethan's video one more time, I have come to agree with Ethan.
I'm not just talking about Leafy; rather, I'm talking about commentary channels in general; they have become quite the problem. Channels like Leafy's prey on vulnerable people (especially children) to get views. This shows that people like Leafy probably don't mind harming other people for their personal gain.
Leafy is doing even more damage than this; a huge amount of his fanbase are children who are easily influenced. What Leafy is doing is probably promoting real-life bullying, not just cyberbullying.
As a person who was bullied at school, I don't want people to go through the same horrible experience that I went through.
Leafy is probably an insecure and weak person who preys on vulnerable people to try and feel good about himself, but this just shows what an impoverished ego he has. It's quite sad.
Leafy is just as horrible as Keemstar.
I think there is definitely a way to be a super huge asshole [I]and[/I] responsible at the same time if you follow the ruleset that retsupurae generally abides by, which is not to mention the name of the content creators (at least when discussing Let's Plays) and not encourage anyone to fuck with them either. Retsupurae has broken that ruleset by mentioning names a few times but I believe that was earlier in their channel's lifespan when they felt they were inconsequential. Later on, they really laid off of that, made amends with some of the people they've made fun of, and really discouraged their jokes. I believe they've even said that they don't think all of the people they make fun of are awful.
With that said, not all of their humor is my cup of tea - it can still seem like a bit overboard and a bit forced in some areas, but they still have some great stuff and could serve as a model for that specific harsher style of mockery.