• Steven Universe Extended Opening
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Ah, here we go. So I gotta ask, why do you think SU Exists?
[QUOTE=xalener;48222703]Ah, here we go. So I gotta ask, why do you think SU Exists?[/QUOTE] The same reason literally every other thing exists, someone had an idea and shared it. Doesn't mean I can't have opinions on why it wasn't a good idea or why I don't like it
[QUOTE=Glitchman;48222819]The same reason literally every other thing exists, someone had an idea and shared it.[/QUOTE] Oh come on, you can do better than that. You were all about "it seems like they were trying to___" before, where'd all that speculatory energy go? [QUOTE=Glitchman;48222819] Doesn't mean I can't have opinions on why it wasn't a good idea or why I don't like it[/QUOTE] If you [I]truly[/I] believe this, then you'd respect my and other people's tendency to defend and assert their opposing opinions. [I]Embrace[/I] the discussion, man.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;48222321]I don't see how anyone can take this show seriously, whether it's a cartoon or not. There are plenty of awesome animated shows that any age group can watch it's like its trying to be deep and meaningful but everything else, including the fanbase, contradicts this[/QUOTE] "Everything else" meaning? Or are you just talking about the fanbase in which case. lol [QUOTE=Glitchman;48222421]This is just my opinion, but I feel like trying to extend adult themes, social opinions, and complex characters is just wasted on a "children's show". It's the reason why MLP and AT is popular with adults who think theres some sort of deeper meaning to it all, but they can't handle diving into something that's not spoon-fed in a way that these shows are presented. If you disagree that's cool, I don't hate on people who like certain things, but personally I just don't find them entertaining[/QUOTE] But it's not solely a children's show. It's a show for general audiences. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who is not involved with "the fandom" and has no exposure to said fandom at all. I think they do a better job of tackling serious, real world topics than just about any other show on television, let alone any other cartoon.
[QUOTE=Robman8908;48181037][img_thumb]http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/IMG-0001.png[/img_thumb][img_thumb]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26/Amazing_World_of_Gumball_Wattersons.png[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/c52cb8a5-3d3e-4390-80ea-d925977d9675/5074da0c-f148-46b9-8d7e-040b3e8ba6aa.jpg[/img_thumb][img_thumb]http://www.posterparty.com/images/cartoon-adventure-time-valley-cast-poster-TRrp5796.jpg[/img_thumb] All those art styles just look similar to me. I'll admit, I've seen a few episodes of Regular Show and chuckled, but I can't stand Adventure Time or Gumball. Not knocking Steven Universe, because I was completely unaware of its existence until today, just saying look at those pictures... there are definitely similarities.[/QUOTE] A. They looking nothing alike except for the thin line. B.Most of the artists and writers came from the same show. [img]http://static.tvgcdn.net/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/M_R/Ma_Mh/MarvelousMisadventures_OfFlapjack/crops/Marvelous-Misadventures-Flapjack1.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;48223271] I think they do a better job of tackling serious, real world topics than just about any other show on television, let alone any other cartoon.[/QUOTE] I would say that Stuniverse portrays the exploration of sexuality and love with more thoughtfulness and tact than shows that [I]focus[/I] on that shit. Which is both sad and cool.
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;48223271] But it's not solely a children's show. It's a show for general audiences. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who is not involved with "the fandom" and has no exposure to said fandom at all. I think they do a better job of tackling serious, real world topics than just about any other show on television, let alone any other cartoon.[/QUOTE] Most Television shows except for adult shows are designed for general audiences, that's why there are more adult smaller jokes in TV shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog.
And of course there was the Spielberg cartoons which often seemed to be cartoons designed for adults. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GXMsxgdZx0[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0hx5rH8G4g[/media]
don't forget [video=youtube;1xmAC9Qu908]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xmAC9Qu908[/video]
[QUOTE=Mikemaximum;48193917]this is better than the last few evangelion episodes [sp]they were drawn in crayon[/sp][/QUOTE] that's because they [i]actually[/i] ran out of budget (and time), and had to rush out a mosh of storyboard drawings + voice acting for two tv show length slots when the director had a completely different plot, which was rejected for public airing a bit too late. Eating budget too fast is a problem that Gainax had back in the day, same shit happened to the last episode of their show 'Gunbuster', came out entirely in black and white. I also recall something about another show ending in marker drawings with no sound but I don't recall if that was under gainax or not 90's cartooning was stressful back onto all the "everything looks the same!" garbage, look back through cartooning. Your average 80's cartoon looked identical to the next in style, the golden age of 'cartoon cartoons' on CN was very unified since tartakovski and people who worked/learned under him had their hands in a majority of the shows. 90's nick cartoons all had a distinct nickelodeon flavor, namely 'ugly linework and barfy yet vibrant colors viewed through a thin layer of fog'. The 2000's was a hectic time, a new generation of animators came out trying to throw wacky unique garbage at the wall until it stuck, often with heavy cues harking back to older shows. we're in another age of tartakovski-esque studio cross-contamination, and it all looks generic because it's what we're used to seeing right now. five years down the line it's gonna have a very "wow the 2010's cartoons were so [X]" feel, once we've moved onto a new 'generic'
In more positive (related?) news, [URL="http://www.emmys.com/awards/nominees-winners/2015/outstanding-special-class-short-format-animated-programs"]one of the Steven Universe episodes got nominated for an emmy![/URL] That's always nice.
My issue is that Steven Universe feels like it was designed to pander to super-nerdy teens and 20-somethings as a "deep" cartoon, not as a show for kids or all ages. It's too weird for kids, but it's got the right messages and themes for a certain group of millenials to obsess over (barebones progressive messages for them to jack off to, lore shit only certain types of nerds would care about). It has the lamest parts of anime and manga without any of the cool stuff that made it sell to Americans back in the late 90s and early 00s. I also feel that Sugar relies too much on blatant manipulation like crying to get the audience's waterworks starting as well. Most SU fans seem to love it and cry along with it, but IMO, it's a cheap trick to make your work feel more emotional than it really is. People priase it as some sort of deep story, but in reality it's a (mostly) cookie-cutter kids cartoon, but made "deep" so Gen Y can think they're participating in some sort of enlightened media with messages that will help make the next generation nicer and more tolerant (it won't).
lmao what generation do you think made the show
[QUOTE=xalener;48224865]lmao what generation do you think made the show[/QUOTE] Just because Gen Y makes something doesn't mean it has to pander mostly to them, like SU does.
"hurr durr people shouldn't make stuff they like" What's actually wrong with people of a generation making shit they specifically enjoy, drawing the attention of people who relate to them? I've got the impression that you just hate Gen Y and lesbians.
[QUOTE=Ziron;48224787]My issue is that Steven Universe feels like it was designed to pander to super-nerdy teens and 20-somethings as a "deep" cartoon, not as a show for kids or all ages. It's too weird for kids, but it's got the right messages and themes for a certain group of millenials to obsess over (barebones progressive messages for them to jack off to, lore shit only certain types of nerds would care about). It has the lamest parts of anime and manga without any of the cool stuff that made it sell to Americans back in the late 90s and early 00s. I also feel that Sugar relies too much on blatant manipulation like crying to get the audience's waterworks starting as well. Most SU fans seem to love it and cry along with it, but IMO, it's a cheap trick to make your work feel more emotional than it really is. People priase it as some sort of deep story, but in reality it's a (mostly) cookie-cutter kids cartoon, but made "deep" so Gen Y can think they're participating in some sort of enlightened media with messages that will help make the next generation nicer and more tolerant (it won't).[/QUOTE] The story really isn't something to write home about but the characters, their dialogue, interactions and strong characterization deserve the praise they get.
Excuse me guys but Clarence has the best songs no contest [media]https://soundcloud.com/simonpanrucker/cultural-exchange-from-clarence-on-cartoon-network[/media] [media]https://soundcloud.com/simonpanrucker/california-made-for-cartoon-networks-clarence[/media]
No though, clarence is fucking great
[QUOTE=xalener;48222341]The only reason why anyone creates anything is to get something off their chest; to share their pain with the world in hopes that they aren't alone in it, to bring into fruition something they've always wanted to see, but haven't. Shit like that.[/QUOTE] The fuck kinda bullshit is that Rebecca Sugar was working on Adventure Time and her stuff was doing really well so either she or the network suggested that she should have a show of her own and then she took that opportunity, made up a bunch of different pitches and Stephen Universe is the one that got picked up. Nothing special about that I personally make cartoons because I like to draw, animate and make music and I want to make it into my career in some kind of form, and I want to make use of my skills, get better at those things, get noticed, gain a fanbase and be successful. And I can guarantee you that 90% of everyone else who does the same thing does it for those same reasons. Nothing about [I]sharing my pain with the world because I'm so alone[/I] or anything like that. That's the kind of weak shit people make up to look deep
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226059]The fuck kinda bullshit is that Rebecca Sugar was working on Adventure Time and her stuff was doing really well so either she or the network suggested that she should have a show of her own and then she took that opportunity, made up a bunch of different pitches and Stephen Universe is the one that got picked up. Nothing special about that I personally make cartoons because I like to draw, animate and make music and I want to make it into my career in some kind of form, and I want to make use of my skills, get better at those things, get noticed, gain a fanbase and be successful. And I can guarantee you that 90% of everyone else who does the same thing does it for those same reasons. Nothing about [I]sharing my pain with the world because I'm so alone[/I] or anything like that. That's the kind of weak shit people make up to look deep[/QUOTE] While I disagree with what Xalener said, Rebecca [I]did[/I] base a lot of the stuff from her life for the show, and she created some of the stuff in the show before she even had a career. And I'm assuming that SU is the only show she pitched, since that's how it usually goes down with most shows on CN.
[QUOTE=Eric95;48226059]The fuck kinda bullshit is that Rebecca Sugar was working on Adventure Time and her stuff was doing really well so either she or the network suggested that she should have a show of her own and then she took that opportunity, made up a bunch of different pitches and Stephen Universe is the one that got picked up. Nothing special about that I personally make cartoons because I like to draw, animate and make music and I want to make it into my career in some kind of form, and I want to make use of my skills, get better at those things, get noticed, gain a fanbase and be successful. And I can guarantee you that 90% of everyone else who does the same thing does it for those same reasons. Nothing about [I]sharing my pain with the world because I'm so alone[/I] or anything like that. That's the kind of weak shit people make up to look deep[/QUOTE] I don't think it's very fair to dismiss one of the most common sources of artistic inspiration as pretentious garbage. You can't just go "stop putting your heart into this production, cartoons are meant to be shallow entertainment".
You can, that's how you get Johnny Test and late-series Spongebob. And the last decade of Family Guy and the last five years of The Simpsons. [QUOTE=Eric95;48226059] [I]sharing my pain with the world because I'm so alone[/I] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]They're made by adults. Actual live humans with concerns and agendas and shit. They write what they know.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Like I said, it's not trying to be anything. It just is what it is, which is an extension of its creators. Take it or leave it.[/QUOTE] But I mean if you want to latch on to one example out of many then sure. Unless you're saying your own work is not an extension of yourself and merely an excuse to draw and the ideas and concepts in Senpai Club are things that any ol' schmuck could come up with. In which case, ahem.
man this made my day 1000% better.
[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;48227756]man this made my day 1000% better.[/QUOTE] you mean the video or the fights about the show
[QUOTE=xalener;48227660]Unless you're saying your own work is not an extension of yourself and merely an excuse to draw and the ideas and concepts in Senpai Club are things that any ol' schmuck could come up with. In which case, ahem.[/QUOTE] I don't get why you'd specifically have to bring up my own work in this, but sure, Senpai Club is not an extension of me in any way. It's a comedy show that I make with a friend, and it's a parody of anime. It has no agendas or concerns beyond "haha anime is funny". The ideas and concepts aren't something that only I could come up with but you need a good sense of comedic timing and such to pull it off well. A work being an [I]extension of the creator[/I] or not has nothing to do with the quality of a project or how much heart you put into it. And what cartoons are? I can't think of any cartoon that aims to be any of that, other than fine art stuff or some really tiny indie things I just mean that it's unreasonable to claim that a network cartoon made collaboratively by a huge team and filtered through a bunch of executives is in any way a cry for help or an extension of anyone. Enjoy Stephen Universe if you want to, but don't claim that it's more than it is
[QUOTE=Eric95;48228376]I just mean that it's unreasonable to claim that a network cartoon made collaboratively by a huge team and filtered through a bunch of executives is in any way a cry for help or an extension of anyone. Enjoy Stephen Universe if you want to, but don't claim that it's more than it is[/QUOTE] I don't think SU is a cry for help or anything like that but the SU crew isn't all that big compared to other shows, and Rebecca has nearly full control over what goes on the show/what it's about. Take that as you will.
[QUOTE=Ziron;48224787] People priase it as some sort of deep story, but in reality it's a (mostly) cookie-cutter kids cartoon, but made "deep" so Gen Y can think they're participating in some sort of enlightened media with messages that will help make the next generation nicer and more tolerant (it won't).[/QUOTE] This is pretty much what I wanted to say I mean even the characters are forced to be as different as possible when it comes to race and body type
[QUOTE=Glitchman;48229293]This is pretty much what I wanted to say I mean even the characters are forced to be as different as possible when it comes to race and body type[/QUOTE] Why do people think that when diverse characters are included in media they are "forced" or the creators felt "obligated to pander to SJWs"? You do know that there are people who genuinely enjoy and want to make characters who are different?
[QUOTE=Glitchman;48229293]This is pretty much what I wanted to say I mean even the characters are forced to be as different as possible when it comes to race and body type[/QUOTE] Or maybe, shockingly, they [I]wanted[/I] to make the characters diverse...? What is with this mindset I've seen lately where people think that any diversity in media is the popular boogeyman of the week forcing it to be that way? You do know there are people who want more diverse characters and make them of their own free will, right? There isn't some "SJW cabal" making secret deals to force a TV show to make a character black or gay. [editline]17th July 2015[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/UPt2huO.png[/IMG] I don't tend to address ratings, but honestly? Do you actually think that nobody wants to make diverse characters or something and it's all forced...? Like, wow. I don't even know how to respond if that's the truth.
it's a known fact that samey, one-dimensional characters make for a better show clearly money hungry CN executives forced their creators to make diverse characters in order to appeal to a small niche of tumblr SJW's
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