Rate the last movie you watched V2 - General

Final destination 5 in 3D It had nice effects, but it was really disgusting (lots of gore). 4/10

[QUOTE=radu_iceman;32391185]Final destination 5 in 3D It had nice effects, but it was really disgusting ([B]lots of gore[/B]). 4/10[/QUOTE] They're kinda supposed to be that way, not sure what you were expecting there. FD movies are all about the deaths. It basically would be like going to watch the latest SAW movie for its' "story"

[QUOTE=booster;32389286]"Martyrs" looks kinda interesting. Is it any good? Or is it just torture porn?[/QUOTE] Nah it's actually pretty good. Definitely not just torture porn

Yup. I admit I got it for the violence but it's actually a decent film.

Martyrs 8/10 jesus christ it was a long time since I've seen a movie as "strong" as this one. The story however, could've been better. [sp]Especially the part near the end, where she was just beaten and fed for like 10 minutes straight. I understood what kind of emotions they were trying to bring up from the audience (and trust me they did), but it still felt like it kept on going for way too long[/sp] The mid part was also pretty shocking. But nothing compared to the ending, I will never get that image out of my head. Boy did my pulse rise when they kept zooming the camera out [sp]looking over her face which is just filled with lifeless confusion, and then suddenly skipping to credits[/sp] I don't really recommend this movie to anyone, it really just doesn't fit all audiences. But if you're somewhat interested in movies like this one, go for it.

Fistful of Dollars 9/10 Lots of fun. Clint Eastwood is a badass.

[QUOTE=booster;32396552][sp]looking over her face which is just filled with lifeless confusion, and then suddenly skipping to credits[/sp] I don't really recommend this movie to anyone, it really just doesn't fit all audiences. But if you're somewhat interested in movies like this one, go for it.[/QUOTE] it's not lifeless confusion, it's enlightenment. WARNING, EVEN I THINK THIS PICTURE IS EXTREMELY FUCKED UP AND SCARY [url]http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6582/aaahhhfucckuauugasugdyf.png[/url] that ain't lifeless confusion, if anything it's the "i've seen the other side" look, possibly with a little bit of "and none of you people know jack shit, you are all specks of dust in a meaningless void with no purpose and you'll never even begin to realize this or even the most infinitesimal truth in life" [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rusty100;32389247]There's a difference between being a reckless teenager and countless instances of murder and rape. A psychopath like that will not ever change and it's unrealistic that he just 'grows up'.[/QUOTE] it's quite subjective. "murder" and "rape" happens in the animal kingdom the only reason they are bad in our society is because we deem them so. and psychopathy is a personality disorder anyways, it's not like it can't be helped.

Severance - 6/10

[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;32397488] it's quite subjective. "murder" and "rape" happens in the animal kingdom the only reason they are bad in our society is because we deem them so.[/QUOTE] My step-dad said this court once and it didn't really help much.

[IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/10xhf0h.jpg[/IMG] [b]8/10[/b] Very good aha. Adjani's performance is mental.

[IMG]http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/hv/allposters/91/1800361191p.jpg[/IMG] 10/10 One of the most powerful anti-drug movie i have ever seen. Epic soundtrack too.

The Road Warrior Still one of the best sequels and 80s movies of all time 10/10

Carrie 9/10

[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;32397488] it's quite subjective. "murder" and "rape" happens in the animal kingdom the only reason they are bad in our society is because we deem them so. and psychopathy is a personality disorder anyways, it's not like it can't be helped.[/QUOTE] both of these statements are moronic as hell.

why? is it cause of the double negative?

[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;32405490]why? is it cause of the double negative?[/QUOTE] Because even though rape and ultraviolence is relative to a society, it still shows high aggression and sociopathic traits which aren't helpful. Personality disorders are also not that easy to change, the only reason Alex changed somewhat was because he was so young.

No, he changed during the film because he was psychologically conditioned to feel physically ill when his naturally occurring behavior came about. Then after a bump on the noggin, the treatment wore off and Alex returned to his usual self. It is next to impossible for this to just 'go away' through adolescence as it's a mental defect, not a condition to be treated. That was the whole message of Kubrick's film, maybe not the original book, but his version of it. You cannot treat people like that. You can try, but ultimately once a psychopath, always a psychopath. Even when he was good, he had malicious intent, he was still manipulative (in the way he manipulated the priest, and only had an interest in the violent parts of the bible). The real ending of the book is unrealistic and is a stupid message. The shortened ending is a much more realistic, and better message. That people by and large to not change, especially people who are homicidal sexual deviants, especially at a young age. You know how killing animals is a sign in a child of psychopathy and or sociopathy? They don't just 'get over' that.

Not talking about during the film, forcing him to be good was obviously not going to work. The point of the film isn't about psychopaths, it's about overcoming the condition of being young. Every single one of the young people was a psychopath with Alex just being just that bit more violent, you wouldn't think that every single one of them grew up to be psychopaths or there would be no-one complaining about young people being crazy because they'd all be crazy. He's only going to work to his interests but the point is that as you grow up, your interests change, to think that everyone remains the same stupid kid they are when they are 15 is even more absurd. There's no conditioning that needs to be done, no cure for it, it's a recurring problem of young people and it's what every older generation complains about in the newer generation.

I really strongly disagree, the condition of being young DOES NOT INCLUDE RAPE AND MURDER. This is not typical young people behaviour. That's not how things work in the real world. That might be the moral of the book but I certainly don't think that's what Kubrick intended. Not everyone remains the same stupid kid as they were when they ere 15, he will grow up to be an even smarter killer. Rape and murder are not included in regular kid traits that all kids grow out of. The ones that do that stuff often do not change in that aspect because it is a brain disorder. Every older generation complains about the newer generations about the music they listen to, their attitudes, the clothing they wear, etc. They do not complain about them killing people, because that's never normal behavioral for any generation. Alex kills people in the film, and it's implied he's killed a lot more people before the events of the film. THAT IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOUR THAT YOU GROW OUT OF That behaviour is indicative of a psychopath and psychopaths DO NOT CHANGE [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] And in fact, his other gang members are also shown to not have changed. They have become police officers, but they're still psychopaths. This is shown in their torture of Alex and their general attitude while doing it. This is meant to illustrate that some psychopaths live normal lives, whilst still inhabiting their tendencies for doing wrong. The whole American Psycho thing.

do you have a degree in psychology? cause you're obviously basing what you say on preconceived notions brought about by the media and general society. people can change, even those in the worst possible way of things. schizophrenia, bi polar, schizo effective, asperger's, blah blah blah, they can all change. brain disorder doesn't mean you can't change also youth is pretty impressionable. it's even more likely that he would mature and/or gain wisdom and change his ways. he's probably not even be a genuine born-with-it psychopath he's probably a product of his environment.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;32405884]I really strongly disagree, the condition of being young DOES NOT INCLUDE RAPE AND MURDER. This is not typical young people behaviour. That's not how things work in the real world. That might be the moral of the book but I certainly don't think that's what Kubrick intended. Not everyone remains the same stupid kid as they were when they ere 15, he will grow up to be an even smarter killer. Rape and murder are not included in regular kid traits that all kids grow out of. The ones that do that stuff often do not change in that aspect because it is a brain disorder. Every older generation complains about the newer generations about the music they listen to, their attitudes, the clothing they wear, etc. They do not complain about them killing people, because that's never normal behavioral for any generation. Alex kills people in the film, and it's implied he's killed a lot more people before the events of the film. THAT IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOUR THAT YOU GROW OUT OF That behaviour is indicative of a psychopath and psychopaths DO NOT CHANGE [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] And in fact, his other gang members are also shown to not have changed. They have become police officers, but they're still psychopaths. This is shown in their torture of Alex and their general attitude while doing it. This is meant to illustrate that some psychopaths live normal lives, whilst still inhabiting their tendencies for doing wrong. The whole American Psycho thing.[/QUOTE] [url]http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bsl.425/abstract[/url] [quote]Interest in the construct of psychopathy as it applies to children and adolescents has become an area of considerable research interest in the past 5–10 years, in part due to the clinical utility of psychopathy as a predictor of violence among adult offenders. Despite interest in “juvenile psychopathy” in general and its relationship to violence in particular, relatively few studies specifically have examined whether operationalizations of this construct among children and adolescents predict various forms of aggression. This article critically reviews this literature, as well as controversies regarding the assessment of adult psychopathic “traits” among juveniles. Existing evidence indicates a moderate association between measures of psychopathy and various forms of aggression, suggesting that this construct may be relevant for purposes of short-term risk appraisal and management among juveniles. However, due to the enormous developmental changes that occur during adolescence and the absence of longitudinal research on the stability of this construct (and its association with violence), we conclude that reliance on psychopathy measures to make decisions regarding long-term placements for juveniles is contraindicated at this time. [/quote] Mostly relevant. Doesn't talk about adolescents who have actually committed such actions along with exhibiting psychopathic traits but still shows that it's not definite. Also George is dead, Dim is a cop but Pete is normal and married.

oh yeah and they were doing drugs

Iron Man - 8/10 That was actually a pretty solid film imo.

[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;32406208]do you have a degree in psychology? cause you're obviously basing what you say on preconceived notions brought about by the media and general society. people can change, even those in the worst possible way of things. schizophrenia, bi polar, schizo effective, asperger's, blah blah blah, they can all change. brain disorder doesn't mean you can't change also youth is pretty impressionable. it's even more likely that he would mature and/or gain wisdom and change his ways. he's probably not even be a genuine born-with-it psychopath he's probably a product of his environment.[/QUOTE] I'm not basing it on media or something like that, it's a mix of historical observation and my dad, who is a shrink. there is a big difference between people who can change, and people who can't. by and large, most people don't change even if they are capable of it. but people who are genuine psychopaths do not because they are mentally incapable of not being a psychopath. a part of their brain is missing/not working the same was as a healthy brain does. it's not a matter of therapy and pills, there are some people who will always be the way they are. alex is one of the people who has a brain dysfunction and cannot, and will not change. he fantasizes about rape and murder, he doesn't see the difference between right and wrong (only how other people perceive it), and he has killed and raped people. he feels no genuine remorse for his actions, nor does he feel any empathy or sympathy with them. alex is a sociopath, and nothing in the world short of being bound and gagged forever could change that.

i just did an essay about clockwork orange it was interesting a lot of psychology and filosofy in it very interestng very very

Not like being a sociopath forces you to be violent. Sociopaths lack empathy but it's still up to them whether they enjoy inflicting pain on others or if they are indifferent to it. Rape and murder are just hobbies to him and that element can certainly be changed.

Saw Contagion (2011) i'll give it a 8/10, even i found boring as hell, it was very interesting to see the steps CDC and WHO take when there's a viral outbreak

[QUOTE=Rusty100;32405884]I really strongly disagree, the condition of being young DOES NOT INCLUDE RAPE AND MURDER. This is not typical young people behaviour. That's not how things work in the real world. That might be the moral of the book but I certainly don't think that's what Kubrick intended.[/quote] Unless you are a child solider in Africa, you mean? [quote] Not everyone remains the same stupid kid as they were when they ere 15, he will grow up to be an even smarter killer. Rape and murder are not included in regular kid traits that all kids grow out of. The ones that do that stuff often do not change in that aspect because it is a brain disorder. [/quote] Saying "brain disorder" is a bit misleading, as it implies that it's impossible to get rid of. [quote] Every older generation complains about the newer generations about the music they listen to, their attitudes, the clothing they wear, etc. They do not complain about them killing people, because that's never normal behavioral for any generation. Alex kills people in the film, and it's implied he's killed a lot more people before the events of the film. THAT IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOUR THAT YOU GROW OUT OF [/quote] In his wider culture it is definitely deviant behaviour. I'd argue that rehabilitation was possible. [quote] That behaviour is indicative of a psychopath and psychopaths DO NOT CHANGE [/quote] Well, that's where I disagree entirely. To be honest, I find the whole 'psychopath' positivist explanation for violent behavior to be fairly weak in most instances. Of course psychology and psychiatry and where the pseudo-scientists flock to in droves, so it's to be expected. Anyhow, Kubrick isn't a academic, and Burgess is from a time long, long ago. . [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;32407259]Not like being a sociopath forces you to be violent. Sociopaths lack empathy but it's still up to them whether they enjoy inflicting pain on others or if they are indifferent to it. Rape and murder are just hobbies to him and that element can certainly be changed.[/QUOTE] Do I lack empathy because when I see a starving child on the TV, I don't send money, or assist in any way? Agreed on it not being necessary to be violent. I'd argue structural causes are a significant influence. Burgess wrote that the protagonist lost all thrill for violence, and set to reform himself. Kubrick disagreed, and left that out. Their views seem to correspond with European and American views on crime, in regards to rehabilitation and punishment, respectively. Structural causes at work once again!

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy#Neurological_basis[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron#Empathy[/url] It is an actual problem in sociopaths and if Alex is a sociopath now, he'll always be a sociopath. I can imagine he would try to reform himself but the issues present in high functioning sociopaths would still be present. Although you are wrong about Kubrick disagreeing. It wasn't him, it was the people who published the book in America.

Yeah but I'm saying that was PROBABLY (what I got from the film, anyway) Kubrick's interpretation of that ending. He clearly liked that ending enough to make a film of it.