[QUOTE=PartyPancake;19110629]No we don't.[/QUOTE]
My first thought. How the hell does the OP know we're the only intelligent beings in all 100-400 billion stars in the Milky Way?
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;19110411]There is life out there, just we won't find it in our lifetimes.
Which sucks, because ailens would be fun[/QUOTE]
Of course we won't find them in our lifetime, but we will find them eventually.
[QUOTE=CrashLemon;19110917]What if the planets were atoms to some sort of ultra gigantic race?[/QUOTE]
What if We're just someone's The Sims game?!
As John Keel recounts in The Mothman Prophecies (which does relate to aliens rather than cryptids) he explains that his interviews with Indrid Cold and the other 'Mothmen' basically have technology to travel 'side-ways in time'. The process to which this is accomplished is complicated and close to impossible to understand at our point in technology (apparently). It's pretty close to the wormhole theory but not really (not that that made sense).
I am continually skeptical of the concept of interstellar visitors, but still intrigued enough to find a logical solution outside the boundaries of science fiction or radical theories.
As it should be obvious that if an alien race were to visit us it would not be by our means of traveling (ex. earth to moon travel) they would probably have some sort of short cut and even means of controling those shortcuts.
Whats up with the pessimistic views lately? Out of the 96% we don't know about the universe, don't you think there is something out there? Also, just because we don't have technology suitable for long range space travel.
I hope someday humanity gets up to a level where they can go to other planets and inhabit it, whether than just sit on earth and die.
[QUOTE=faolco1;19110764]
Also, what about stonehenge?[/QUOTE]
There was a landslide and the rocks fell on top of each other in a circle.
:tinfoil:
[QUOTE=TheTalon;19110946][QUOTE=CrashLemon;19110917]What if the planets were atoms to some sort of ultra gigantic race?[/QUOTE]
What if We're just someone's The Sims game?![/QUOTE]
Nah, i doubt it, otherwise buttsex would be as common as going to the toilet.
[QUOTE=faolco1;19110764]You make a good point, good sir. Trade was evident during that time. But another point you might want to consider is the fact that these pyramids were created in perfect alignment. I thin I also read somewhere that they're inline with a group of stars during some time of the year.
Also, what about stonehenge?[/QUOTE]
Ah yeah I think it's the 3 stars in Orion's belt. I'm pretty sure they had enough mathematic knowledge to do that kind of stuff.
Yeah Stonehenge is pretty messed up, but I'm sure a few (hundred/thousand) determined people could make it possible to build such a structure back then.
[QUOTE=Aegis°;19110956]Whats up with the pessimistic views lately? Out of the 96% we don't know about the universe, don't you think there is something out there? Also, just because we don't have technology suitable for long range space travel.
I hope someday humanity gets up to a level where they can go to other planets and inhabit it, whether than just sit on earth and die.[/QUOTE]
As long as we don't blow each other up we'll advance to a space faring race. As for aliens actually visiting earth, it's highly unlikely. The Earth is just small planet orbiting around a normal star, nothing special about us.
I wouldnt say it's imposible that we've never been visited. It's possible that this other species is much older than we are. Perhaps they took this long trip and reached our planet. However, it's very unlikely that they're still around us (I believe so). For a fact it's true that there's life out there but intelligence life is rare in that univers.
[QUOTE=SlicedBread;19110350]We know for certain that there is no [B]intelligent[/B] life in the milky way system, besides us.[/QUOTE]
Oh you fucking idiot you already destroyed any credibility you had before you even got to your point.
[QUOTE=CrashLemon;19110917]What if the planets were atoms to some sort of ultra gigantic race?[/QUOTE]
I used to think about how much we don't know. I loved to just fantasize and zoom out and out and out in my mind, ending up that our universe is just a part of an atom of a strange alien fruit being digested by some crazy alien and I just kept zooming out and fantasizing more until I fell asleep.
Worked pretty well all the time.
[QUOTE=Aegis°;19110956]Whats up with the pessimistic views lately? Out of the 96% we don't know about the universe, don't you think there is something out there? Also, just because we don't have technology suitable for long range space travel.
I hope someday humanity gets up to a level where they can go to other planets and inhabit it, whether than just sit on earth and die.[/QUOTE]
I would believe that there is a difference between something out there and something out there visiting us. I do not believe we are the only sentient beings upon the millions and millions (or billions) of galaxies out there.
Discussing whether aliens have visited is an entire different story.
What if we came to be via BattleStar Galactica season finale? (New one) After watching that series and seeing that ending, it was kind of a smack in the face, like... Wow, so advanced only to.... well if you haven't seen it, go for it, the ending was pretty good
[QUOTE=SlicedBread;19110350]Something I wrote.
A large amount of people believe that aliens can, and have visited the earth. Some more extreme people even believe they made the pyramids, and helped evolution. These people have proof such as crop circles, (although the first crop circles were admitted as hoaxes by the creators, they even said the method they used to create the patterns) and sightings of UFO's, the aliens space ships. Now, lets say this is true. They are clearly very advance, to travel a good distance, and have complex ships. But, where did they come from? How long was the trip?
We know for certain that there is no [B]intelligent[/B] life in the milky way system, besides us. So they can't be our cosmic next-door neighbors. So, wheres the closest they could possibly be? Let's be optimistic, and sey they are somewhere in the closest galaxy, the Andromeda galaxy. (even though this is very unlikely.)
How far away is it? 2,500,000 Light years. That's alot. We know for a fact nothing, except light, can go at or over the speed of light. So let's be optimistic and say they went just under the speed of light, by a tiny smidge. Of course, then it would take [B]over[/B] 2,500,000 years. That's also alot. Two and a half million years. Keep in mind, about four thousand years ago, we had no civilizations.
In 2,500,000 years, you'd think they would die, run out of energy or other essentials, or have ship problems, or something
So, do you think aliens flew in a ship for 2,500,000 years? Longer then humans have really been on the earth? Keep this in mind as well. There is a really slim chance that they do live in the closest galaxy. So it could be more like 200,500,000 years!
EDIT: Wanted to say that I personally think that there is definitely, somewhere some other intelligent life housing planet.
EDIT: If there was a wormhole anywhere remotely near us, we would know about it, so that rule that out.
And by near, I mean 3,000,000 light years.
What do you guys think about what I just said?[/QUOTE]
You're kidding, right? We are only beginning to understand the basics and tiny details, I'm absolutely positive theres infinite brilliant life forms in those infinite galaxies, even far more advanced than we could ever imagine and far more massive than anyone could ever fathom.
I'm assuming they just built the pyramids to be to absolutely perfect in every way by hand and guessed where zero degrees is horizontally and vertically on the earth by PURE guess, without ANY math by PURE coincidence.
there are so many things that we could see as aliens that have once visited this planet, I've watched
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH66LramO8U[/media]
and it truly got me thinking, there really is actually a lot of things that could prove aliens have visited earth before. Really I don't know if this is true, but you know, how could they build all that with the tools they had? even today we have trouble building such incredible things.
I don't think there is anything special about Stonehenge in how it was constructed.
I remember seeing a guy a while back that was building a replica of it in his backyard by him self with techniques that where possible back in the time of the originals construction. With enough determination anything is possible.
I think aliens have been coming and going for a while now and the governments of earth know about it.
[QUOTE=SlicedBread;19110350]We know for certain that there is no [B]intelligent[/B] life in the milky way system, besides us. [/QUOTE]
How can you be so sure?
We have never even physically left our [b]solar system[/b], Let alone properly explored any others.
The only way we can see outside our solar system at the moment (that's the 8/9 planets, the sun and the asteroids) is visually with telescopes. And even then we can't see much at all.
[QUOTE=Seb McMeb;19111111]You're kidding, right? We are only beginning to understand the basics and tiny details, I'm absolutely positive theres infinite brilliant life forms in those infinite galaxies, even far more advanced than we could ever imagine and far more massive than anyone could ever fathom.
I'm assuming they just built the pyramids to be to absolutely perfect in every way by hand and guessed where zero degrees is horizontally and vertically on the earth by PURE guess, without ANY math by PURE coincidence.
there are so many things that we could see as aliens that have once visited this planet, I've watched
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH66LramO8U[/media]
and it truly got me thinking, there really is actually a lot of things that could prove aliens have visited earth before.[/QUOTE]
That's simple. math is exact. and Doesn't change. A mathematical Equation 2000 years ago, will equal the same today. Whereas EVERYTHING ELSE has changed ten fold, it only seems like it's advanced but really, looking at the stars alone and using math, you can determine quite a bit about where you're standing
Our own Milky Way galaxy is 100,000 light years across, which for those of you who don't know, would take 100,000 years to cross going the speed of light(186,000 miles per second). To say we're the only intelligent life in something so inconceivably large is really narrow minded. That's just our galaxy, there are billions and billions of galaxies in the universe......each one containing billions of stars similar to our sun. When you think of it from that perspective, we are incredibly insignificant.....living in something so large, it would not be surprising if nothing has ever found us actually.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;19111029]Ah yeah I think it's the 3 stars in Orion's belt. I'm pretty sure they had enough mathematic knowledge to do that kind of stuff.
Yeah Stonehenge is pretty messed up, but I'm sure a few (hundred/thousand) determined people could make it possible to build such a structure back then.[/QUOTE]
And it's all thanks to religion! :haw:
[QUOTE=Seb McMeb;19111111]You're kidding, right?
I'm assuming they just built the pyramids to be to absolutely perfect in every way by hand and guessed where zero degrees is horizontally and vertically on the earth by PURE guess, without ANY math by PURE coincidence.
there are so many things that we could see as aliens that have once visited this planet, I've watched
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH66LramO8U[/media]
and it truly got me thinking, there really is actually a lot of things that could prove aliens have visited earth before.[/QUOTE]
Lines can be drawn to such things as Egyptians being helped by aliens, or you can say the Egyptians were master mathematicians. People want to believe in aliens. They would draw any conclusion they can to fulfill their extraterrestrial thirst.
In reference to what faolco1 said, something could have visited the ancient civilizations. On the History Channel there was something on old paintings from the 15th century and farther back showing little UFO's in the sky. And yes I know the source doesn't seem very credible but it does have many of the paintings The History Channel showed.
[url]http://alien-ufo-research.com/aliens_in_ancient_history/[/url]
Just because you can't think of a way doesn't mean it's impossible.
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;19110802]no hiidingg from teh snp.
technolog advance\ very fast, it took 12 years frmgg going into space with a probe, to snding people to the moon[/QUOTE]
No hiding from the snip, broheim.
Actually, there has been proof that it's imposable.
[QUOTE=Warren Holzem;19111473]No hiding from the snip, broheim.[/QUOTE]
only problem is that his post said this on top: [quote]42 Minutes Ago Last edited by codenamecueball; 35 Minutes Ago at 11:31PM.. [/quote]
and mine didn't say anything.
so..ye..
[QUOTE=SlicedBread;19111532]Actually, there has been proof that it's imposable.[/QUOTE]
What proof?
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;19111214]Lines can be drawn to such things as Egyptians being helped by aliens, or you can say the Egyptians were master mathematicians. People want to believe in aliens. They would draw any conclusion they can to fulfill their extraterrestrial thirst.[/QUOTE]
I seriously have no idea how the hell certain ancient civilizations build certain things so precise that a razor couldn't possibly poke through, even today. Plus with our technology we could never make it nearly as perfect.
They were clearly thinking light-years ahead of us, I can see them being farther ahead, but I can also see how ET's could've fitted into the equation.
[QUOTE=SlicedBread;19111532]Actually, there has been proof that it's imposable.[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming that we don't exist either because there couldn't possibly be a way life exists anywhere.
I'm also assuming you live in a cave and don't know shit about what they've said about life on other planets.
[QUOTE=Yumyumbublegum;19111620]What proof?[/QUOTE]
Your avatar, that guys a a brilliant scientist. :smile:
[QUOTE=SlicedBread;19110350]We know for certain that there is no [B]intelligent[/B] life in the milky way system[/QUOTE]
Then what probed me the other day, they said they were aliens
Firstly, we DO NOT know for certain that there is no intelligent life in the Milky Way...are you dumb? The simple fact that you added that takes your credibility to low for most anyone. We haven't even cataloged or discovered most of the stars and systems and objects in the Milky Way, let alone scanned them on a million different frequencies and different methods of communication or anything of the sort-
Secondly, no, we wouldn't know if a wormhole was near us, because we don't know what to look for. We've never seen a wormhole, and can only remotely theorize on what one is, what makes it up, what to look for and where they might possibly be.
Thirdly- just because there are no wormholes nearby- not that that's proven or accurate- I'm going to bring up the technology argument here.
In the year 2 BC, do you think that anyone would have ever, in a million years, thought up and understood a modern Boeing 747? A mere 50 years ago, could anyone have even remotely understood something like the internet? Even with our so-called advanced knowledge in WWI, would anyone have ever dreamed of the idea of the Atomic bomb, as large and created in such a way as they are? The simple answer is no. At every point in time, we always think that this is it. This is the high point of technology- we understand all,t here is nothing else to be discovered. Sure, there are improvements, I can see these things coming about, but that tech and science behind them will not exist until someone discovers it, most likely, or builds upon what we know now.
Well, that's what alot are saying now. Because we don't have the tech to do this or that, and we haven't discovered a way to do this or that or this says this or that is impossible, it simply cannot happen. Never. Nowhere, no how. Well fuck you, dipshits. You think anyone would have thought that 200+ people could fly in a giant machine using fucking jets and particle goddam physics of the way air moves? Do you think those people back in 2 BC had any idea what the fuck oxygen was? Let alone particles of matter and mass, or how they interact with something such as a metal alloy, or had any clue how to work electricity? No. They didn't. And the simple fact was that they believed, just as all you people do now, is that even any single one item of anything that makes a plane work simply was impossible. But now look at us.
Simply because you say that there is no way, or we haven't found a way yet does not mean there isn't a way to do it. Imagine in a thousand years- what kind of technology will we have? Wait. You can't. Because the concepts and the way in which that tech works will be so alien, so advanced, so inunderstandable to you and me that the simple idea of whatever they may come up with will make our brains explode.
So don't tell me your speed-of-light BS, or your time BS or your lack-of-tech BS, because we've already moved particles faster than the speed of goddam light, and there is no fucking way that you can predict what kind of technology we will have in 1000 years, so don't tell me you know what a whole nother race of completely different beings has.
FOURTHLY, you asshats don't seem to undersand that everything we base our 'science' of aliens on is based around US. Carbon-based, simple, human, Earth-like evolved lifeforms. Well throw that shit out the window. You all base the idea that they can't do this or that or exist like this or here or there around the fact that they would be Earth-like, carbon-based lifeforms. Well here's one for ya. What if these things are fucking magnesium-based, liquid lifeforms that don't need air because they can absorb nutrients our of the fucking soil around them, and can live in environments of 1000000 K or some shit because of their base chemical properties. And ontop of that, these things have extremely long lifetimes because unlike carbon and our biology, they don't fucking decay or age or have to worry about the same shit we do. So they can afford to sleep for 1 gajillion lightyears to get here,a nd to them it's barely a fucking nap. There goes your shit, doesn't it? It's asshats who are all like "Ooo nothing living can go faster than this speed and can't survive for this long and bla bla bla". Well fuck that shit, because you're basing it around our evolution, or Earth, our environment, not that of some plant way out there where life evolved from fucking Boron or some shit.
So between Three and Four, you have no fucking argument. Seriously. None, because we have no proper data to state that if there are lifeforms out there they base their lives and evolution and bodily systems and whole fucking physics, basically, around the same things we do, and obey to the same technology level as us, simply because that's all we understand.
Fifthly- UFOs could have fucking visited Earth. For all you know,t hey could have technology superior to ours, discovered some way to travel fast, or to live long or sleep long, or use wormholes, or manipulate time-space, or even use something we haven't even discovered yet. We're just getting started into quantum physics, and look at all the zany shit that brings up. For all we know we're just at the tip of the iceberg and these alien sons of bitches and zip around through Dark-nueron-proto-anti-matter-particle-nuetrino-whatevers like we drive a car to work. And no, I'm not saying we should believe everyone and their mums, but come on- look at some of this shit. Rendlesham, Cash-Landrum, Jesus Christ people. When you have people like the fucking President of the US and goddam police officers and members of the fucking airforce coming forth and saying "This shit went down. I saw it, and heres my testimony/evidence", then you know there's some shit going on. And then when the fucking KGB and CIA and FBI set up whole fucking departments and groups just to investigate it, then there's no doubt that it's a legitimate topic.
Maybe they aren't 4 foot grey, big-eyed buggers, but there's nothing to say they aren't and quite a bit to say they are. Like I said, you shouldn't believe everyone and their mums, but there are those few that really are convincing, that have the evidence or have the prestige to be taken seriously.
So when you're outside and see a giant fucking light in the sky zipping about like some fucking giant kid in the sky playing with a sparkler and you can't explain it any other way, you don't really get much of a choice anymore as to what your opinion on the topic is, because it was just proven to you. The UFO phenomena is growing- not only are people becoming more aware to it and actually caring, so are the world's governments. At this point, anyone who still, after all these years, at least doesn't consider the topic as serious and still points out swamp gas and weather balloons and drunk hillbillies and shrugs off the topic without doing proper research is just as bad as any ignorant, one-sided religious extremist or dumbass internet debater who doesn't know shit coming into an argument.
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