I believe there are aliens some where in the universe.
Deal with it
What if the earth's core is alive?
Ohh loop hole in the op.
No, but really, op is dumb.
[QUOTE=KaIibos;19113430]Think about what we have now that we didn't have in the year one thousand nine (1009 AD)
that's what I THOUGHT[/QUOTE]
Impressive logic you have there. Only you ignore the simple fact that mass cannot travel the speed of light, and certainly not faster.
This is not my deduction, it is that of the scientific community.
[QUOTE=Kukuzi;19113270]Yes, alchemy was considered true. However, do you not think it illogical to compare times of such vast different technology. The things we have learned about mathematics and physics makes us much more comfortable with the information that I have proposed. I don't see why you keep spreading misinformation. We understand more about the universe than you might think. We can find out the distance of a start by observing its composition. Our knowledge of the known universe and our own solar system has evolved amazingly.
When you compare our society to the middle ages, you cast us in a negative light. We have much more perspective of physics, biology, chemistry, medicine, mathematics, engineering. We are only comparable by our human nature.[/QUOTE]
Good points, but my point is kind of that the difference in technology makes it so impossible for someone of back then to understand the current level. Many argue that this or that is impossible, but in thousands of years, our technology will be so much more advanced that who knows what might be able to be done? Some far more advanced ET race with greater technology and a better understanding of the universe would, in theory, be able to do so much more than us.
Yes, we understand alot, but there's far more that we don't. At the break of the 1900s did we have any clue about things such as dark matter, or wormholes, or whathaveyou? But we have a fair understanding currently, and pretty much full understanding if our theories are correct, but my point is that we may not understand it, and our theories really might not hold up. Again, alchemy was treated as fact at one point, but then we went on to discover and learn more and improve technologically, and now things we would have never thought of, or created, or have done were discovered and thought of and done.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't see me as casting us in a negative light. I'm simply pointing out that we may not be as advanced as we may think, and that simply because our understanding seems sound currently, as it always has throughout time, chances are it's still either partially incorrect or straight-out wrong, as most of our theories have been through time.
Our understanding through science improves over time, through testing and human development, but as we've seen just because something is more or less universally accepted does not mean it's correct or unable to be improved upon. I'm not saying we're dumb, or not advanced, I'm just saying that we likely have a ways to go and improvements will be made, especially with that which is outside the visible universe and that which is made of regular matter, and that it's completely possible that another race who has existed longer than us may have a better understanding of things than we and can use it to do things we have only a partial or even no understanding of.
What if you were going just under lightspeed then flashed a lasor in the direction you are going?
[QUOTE=Sparkwire;19113645]What if you were going just under lightspeed then flashed a lasor in the direction you are going?[/QUOTE]
:O
[QUOTE=Seb McMeb;19111651]I seriously have no idea how the hell certain ancient civilizations build certain things so precise that a razor couldn't possibly poke through, even today. Plus with our technology we could never make it nearly as perfect.[/QUOTE]
We can make [url=http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/10/s_010_072.jpg]this kind of stuff[/url].
Then you say we can't make [url=http://personal.maths.surrey.ac.uk/st/H.Bruin/image/pyramid.jpg]THIS[/url] out of stone. What.
:downs:
[QUOTE=Fippe;19113783]We can make [url=http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/10/s_010_072.jpg]this kind of stuff[/url].
Then you say we can't make [url=http://personal.maths.surrey.ac.uk/st/H.Bruin/image/pyramid.jpg]THIS[/url] out of stone. What.
:downs:[/QUOTE]
Because back then they could have made a skyscraper out of steel and glass :downs:
[QUOTE=Kukuzi;19113550]Impressive logic you have there. Only you ignore the simple fact that mass cannot travel the speed of light, and certainly not faster.
This is not my deduction, it is that of the scientific community.[/QUOTE]
ummmmm I didn't say anything about mass or the speed of light or faster than light travel
Nor was there any of that in the part of your post I was replying to
so, insert coin and try again (30)
[QUOTE=dvc;19110562]Wait....what? We have only explores a fifth of the milky way even WITH telescopes. I think you mean solar system. The milky way is still very vast and large our telescopes have probably only found 0.008% of the milkyway. How do we know there's no intelligent life if we only explored a fifth of it? Maybe their society CANT fly fucking space ships yet. Ever think of that? I mean I agree to you on how long it would take but really? No intelligent life at all?[/QUOTE]
We can't even say the solar system for certain. There is warm liquid water under the ice surface of Jupiter's moon Europa. We think there could be life there.
[QUOTE=SlicedBread;19110350]We know for certain that there is no [B]intelligent[/B] life in the milky way system, besides us.[/QUOTE]
Oh do we now.
[QUOTE=dvc;19110562]Wait....what? We have only explores a fifth of the milky way even WITH telescopes. I think you mean solar system. The milky way is still very vast and large our telescopes have probably only found 0.008% of the milkyway. How do we know there's no intelligent life if we only explored a fifth of it? Maybe their society CANT fly fucking space ships yet. Ever think of that? I mean I agree to you on how long it would take but really? No intelligent life at all?[/QUOTE]
I said that they could visit us, not that they don't exist
A.) What if they're still here?
B.) Who says they can't live for more than 200,500,000 years?
We're going off what we know, technology and physics wise.
They could time travel for all we know!
What if there is an alien species that is pure energy?
I'm pretty sure such a thing would fuck up everything we know about nature and her laws.
[QUOTE=SlicedBread;19114253]I said that they could visit us[/QUOTE]
But didn't you just say that they couldn't, because there's no intelligent life in the Milky Way?
[QUOTE=SlicedBread;19110350]We know for a fact [..][/QUOTE]
No we don't. We don't know anything for a fact. Science is based on observations. These observations might be accept as fact, but that doesn't make them actual fact. These aliens, if they are truly so advanced, may be able to do things that our minds simply cannot grasp.
[QUOTE=SlicedBread;19114253]I said that they could visit us, not that they don't exist[/QUOTE]
Taking bad reading to the next level.
[QUOTE=Detective P;19113561]Good points, but my point is kind of that the difference in technology makes it so impossible for someone of back then to understand the current level. Many argue that this or that is impossible, but in thousands of years, our technology will be so much more advanced that who knows what might be able to be done? Some far more advanced ET race with greater technology and a better understanding of the universe would, in theory, be able to do so much more than us.
Yes, we understand alot, but there's far more that we don't. At the break of the 1900s did we have any clue about things such as dark matter, or wormholes, or whathaveyou? But we have a fair understanding currently, and pretty much full understanding if our theories are correct, but my point is that we may not understand it, and our theories really might not hold up. Again, alchemy was treated as fact at one point, but then we went on to discover and learn more and improve technologically, and now things we would have never thought of, or created, or have done were discovered and thought of and done.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't see me as casting us in a negative light. I'm simply pointing out that we may not be as advanced as we may think, and that simply because our understanding seems sound currently, as it always has throughout time, chances are it's still either partially incorrect or straight-out wrong, as most of our theories have been through time.
Our understanding through science improves over time, through testing and human development, but as we've seen just because something is more or less universally accepted does not mean it's correct or unable to be improved upon. I'm not saying we're dumb, or not advanced, I'm just saying that we likely have a ways to go and improvements will be made, especially with that which is outside the visible universe and that which is made of regular matter, and that it's completely possible that another race who has existed longer than us may have a better understanding of things than we and can use it to do things we have only a partial or even no understanding of.[/QUOTE]
Mathematics is a universal language, do not underestimate our grasp of it.
Yes, our understanding improves over time, but you have to understand that the mathematics and physics behind this discussion have proven again and again.
It is almost the equation 1=1
It cannot be changed, no matter what race you are, no matter what planet you come from
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[QUOTE=KaIibos;19113982]ummmmm I didn't say anything about mass or the speed of light or faster than light travel
Nor was there any of that in the part of your post I was replying to
so, insert coin and try again (30)[/QUOTE]
Exactly you ignored it.
[QUOTE=Kukuzi;19115193]
Exactly you ignored it.[/QUOTE]
ignored [B]what[/B] what are you trying to say
[quote=gregah;19114725]what if there is an alien species that is pure energy?
I'm pretty sure such a thing would fuck up everything we know about nature and her laws.[/quote]
what
that makes no sense at all
[b]ENERGY DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY[/b]
[QUOTE=KaIibos;19115423]ignored [B]what[/B] what are you trying to say[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding? The mathematics behind what I was saying.
[QUOTE=Kukuzi;19115193]Exactly you ignored it.[/QUOTE]
Did you quote the wrong person or something?
[editline]10:02PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kukuzi;19115566]Are you kidding? The mathematics behind what I was saying.[/QUOTE]
What the hell are you talking about?
[QUOTE=Flitchaye;19115507]what
that makes no sense at all
[b]ENERGY DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY[/b][/QUOTE]
I am very well aware of that, I had a moment of :downs: and didn't think through it at all (I'm not sure how to explain what I was thinking about to be honest)
[QUOTE=Kukuzi;19115193]Mathematics is a universal language, do not underestimate our grasp of it.
Yes, our understanding improves over time, but you have to understand that the mathematics and physics behind this discussion have proven again and again.
It is almost the equation 1=1
It cannot be changed, no matter what race you are, no matter what planet you come from
[/QUOTE]
I understand that. I'm not saying that our math is wrong, I'm saying that there may be ways to get around some of our limitations proposed by our [i]not-definitive prove[/i] theories , or that it may be incorrect. One always equals one, yes, but for right now our theories could very well not add up as we discover more over time. That's why they're theories- they have supporting evidence, but are not yet fully proven, such as many thousands of theories before them. Simply because 1=1 does not mean that others have not discovered other ways to use the idea of 1=1 that we haven't thought of or that they haven't also discovered things we haven't, and have used them.
I don't think you understand what I've been saying- I'm not suggesting that 1=1 is wrong, I'm simply saying that we cannot definitively say that our current theories are right. I'm not saying those are wrong either. I'm saying that they may know more than us, and have developed more technologically and have a better overall understanding than us and can use that to their advantage in doing things that we may not yet understand or that seem to contradict our current theories.
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;19110953]
As it should be obvious that if an alien race were to visit us it would not be by our means of traveling (ex. earth to moon travel) they would probably have some sort of short cut and even means of controling those shortcuts.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://image-bb.com/out.php/i2775_Massrelay.jpg[/img]
Mass Relays are technological artifacts that are capable of transporting vessels nearly instantaneously between star clusters and systems. There are two types of Mass Relays: primary and secondary. Primary relays are linked with a twin, and so have a single line of travel, but can span as many as a hundred thousand light years. Secondary relays are omnidirectional and can send ships to any relay within its limited range of about a hundred light years.
:v:
0.9999 (repeating) = 1
Maybe there already here......
Time travel is possible, we just haven't figured out how to do it yet.
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