• Is Reality Real?
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[QUOTE=itisjuly;48026824]At the current time we could. Civilizations don't live forever. There is a possibility that the last planet that had life died and for now we are the only one. Compared to the universe, earth is fairly new, what makes it impossible for some other civilization to be born and die before we even happened? Either space does not currently hold life smarter than us or there simply isn't any besides us at this moment.[/QUOTE] If the universe is infinite, then we technically cannot be the only sentient lifeform right now. For comparison, if we assume that Pi is an infinitely long number, then we can assume that every single combination of numbers is somewhere within that stretch of numbers. If we assume that the universe is an infinite space, then we can assume that every single combination of elements out there ARE there, and that there are probably duplicates upon duplicates of these combinations, as it is infinite. I think Hoodedsniper just means to say that it's very unlikely that we are the only intelligent lifeform out there simply because of how fucking big the universe that we see is. But we have no way of observational analysis to truly tell if the universe is finite or infinite so this is simply speculation.
[QUOTE=Nukefuzz;48029870]If the universe is infinite, then we technically cannot be the only sentient lifeform right now. For comparison, if we assume that Pi is an infinitely long number, then we can assume that every single combination of numbers is somewhere within that stretch of numbers. If we assume that the universe is an infinite space, then we can assume that every single combination of elements out there ARE there, and that there are probably duplicates upon duplicates of these combinations, as it is infinite. I think Hoodedsniper just means to say that it's very unlikely that we are the only intelligent lifeform out there simply because of how fucking big the universe that we see is. But we have no way of observational analysis to truly tell if the universe is finite or infinite so this is simply speculation.[/QUOTE] This is not accurate. A number in which every finite string shows up is called a disjunctive number, and it is not known whether pi is disjunctive. Consider this number: 0.10100100010000100000... etc. It is infinite and non-repeating (hence irrational), but it will obviously never contain the string "5678". So being infinite and non-repeating does not guarantee that any string will show up. Same goes for our universe. Being infinite does not guarantee that anything that is possible will show up. What if the universe was infinite but there is nothing outside of our observable universe? This is unlikely, but it's just demonstrating a point. What about an infinite flat universe with one photon with it?
this video nearly made me zero sum but hey fuck you i exist [t]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8iknescAT1r9652ro1_400.gif[/t]
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;48030316]this video nearly made me zero sum but hey fuck you i exist [t]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8iknescAT1r9652ro1_400.gif[/t][/QUOTE] god i fucking knew real life was on gamebryo
Of course if this universe is a simulation, there's going to have to be a "real" universe somewhere that came from nothing.
Gave me shivers. Was also very hypnotic to listen to. It's this theory, and the "Projected Reality" theory that give me the chills. (I don't know the actual name for the Projected Reality theory), but it theorizes that you are alone in the universe; the only sentient being, and everything you see is just like an NPC in a video game. As in, I know I'm conscious/sentient, but how do I know you are too, and aren't just programmed to tell me that you are? Etc... Crazy shit.
[QUOTE=Spleet;48029488]Well, you can't even prove to me that you exist and are not just a construct created by me. And sure, you may even say, "but I'm here, and if everything is just your imagination, how come tables don't run coffee shops?" The answer I have for you, in the event everything is just a figment of my own thought, is that I simply do not wish them to. Or perhaps my subconscious adheres to a strict set of rules.[/QUOTE] I beg to differ, you are a figment of my OWN and ORIGINAL creativity [highlight]Do not steal.[/highlight]
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;48032608]I beg to differ, you are a figment of my OWN and ORIGINAL creativity [highlight]Do not steal.[/highlight][/QUOTE] You're only saying that because I made you say it. Stop kidding yourself. I wish you.. hell.. I wish ALL of you were actually real, sentient just like me, but I didn't make the rules. And if I did, I'm sorry. I don't remember doing it. [sp]I'm so lonely :([/sp]
Unrelated but holy shit this game looks exactly like MW2 what the hell
What happens if we're just a simulation for a more intelligent species, we're not in a computer or anything. But genetically engineered like lab rats...and they gave us our own little sandbox to see how we would do?
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d0kWSftV7A[/media] "Man made the Web, you don't need a name Man made of faults, I ain't too ashamed" "Slowest connection ever, my life inside a computer" "Losing my frame of reference, these pieces of shit for breakfast, funny the day you born that's really your death sentence" "Life's the biggest troll but the joke is on us Yeah, the joke's you showed up" "You're here now. You have to help me You have to help me" Pretty sure Childish Gambino was talking about this phenomenon or a variation.
Using "big bang" in a serious discussion in 2013 is pretty silly. He should update his knowledge.
[QUOTE=Spor;48034491]Using "big bang" in a serious discussion in 2013 is pretty silly. He should update his knowledge.[/QUOTE] it's 2015 so you might want to update yours
This is a really short story with the premise being simulated universes [URL="http://qntm.org/responsibility"]http://qntm.org/responsibility[/URL]
shit nevermind.
My idea is that ideas about earth being a simulation come from the fact that every simulation created by humans replicates properties of the world around, so at some point everyone notices that the world also bears properties of simulations. But the trap is that our idea of a simulation is set by this world so its unavoidable to see simulation-like properties in the world. But its not because the world is simulated, its because our simulations are copied from the world in an indirect manner. However its a question without answer since you can never prove that the universe is not a simulation because you are in it.
[QUOTE=Spor;48034491]Using "big bang" in a serious discussion in 2013 is pretty silly. He should update his knowledge.[/QUOTE] Um, no? The big bang is still a feature of the current prevailing cosmological models.
[video=youtube;8_2e6fsKs40]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_2e6fsKs40[/video]
[QUOTE=MR-X;48033866]What happens if we're just a simulation for a more intelligent species, we're not in a computer or anything. But genetically engineered like lab rats...and they gave us our own little sandbox to see how we would do?[/QUOTE] isn't this basically what the reptilian conspiracy theory is based on?
[QUOTE=Suitcase;48031638]Gave me shivers. Was also very hypnotic to listen to. It's this theory, and the "Projected Reality" theory that give me the chills. (I don't know the actual name for the Projected Reality theory), but it theorizes that you are alone in the universe; the only sentient being, and everything you see is just like an NPC in a video game. As in, I know I'm conscious/sentient, [b]but how do I know you are too, and aren't just programmed to tell me that you are?[/b] Etc... Crazy shit.[/QUOTE] jesus christ fuck you I've thought this SO many goddamn times, and the thought alone scares the living hell out of me
[QUOTE=AlexGT;48035975]jesus christ fuck you I've thought this SO many goddamn times, and the thought alone scares the living hell out of me[/QUOTE] I don't think there's anyone who never thought about something at least somewhat close to that. But that doesn't scare me though, I'm fine with you guys, by which I mean, every other person that is not me. Even if you are just a simulation, you're pretty damn good ones and fun to be around.
[QUOTE=gudman;48036142]I don't think there's anyone who never thought about something at least somewhat close to that. But that doesn't scare me though, I'm fine with you guys, by which I mean, every other person that is not me. Even if you are just a simulation, you're pretty damn good ones and fun to be around.[/QUOTE] We aren't simulations, though. We're all just you talking to yourself. Nevertheless, I hope you still like me.
When it comes to thinking about reality as a whole, you kinda just throw any kind of logic you have learned out the window in the end. The human brain is not designed to calculate the universe, and neither is the 'reality' you are in able to fully explain how things came to be.
This guy raises a lot of interesting theories, however there is the whole fermi paradox thing. If there are all of these aliens out there, why havent we seen any evidence whatsoever of them? There are some things that I think we dont quite understand fully.
[QUOTE=mecaguy03;48037937]This guy raises a lot of interesting theories, however there is the whole fermi paradox thing. If there are all of these aliens out there, why havent we seen any evidence whatsoever of them? There are some things that I think we dont quite understand fully.[/QUOTE] Have you seen Stargate? There's your evidence. Atheists 1 Christians 0
Though I guess its possible to fall back on the argument that in a simulation it could be such that there are no other civilizations
[QUOTE=Spleet;48033685]You're only saying that because I made you say it. Stop kidding yourself. I wish you.. hell.. I wish ALL of you were actually real, sentient just like me, but I didn't make the rules. And if I did, I'm sorry. I don't remember doing it. [sp]I'm so lonely :([/sp][/QUOTE] What difference does it make, though, if we were all in your head, or if you're in ours? We'd still be so many different kinds of people, countless opportunities for interaction that would be there whether it's real or not. it shouldn't change how you feel about people or interact with them. I would actually probably feel a DEEPER connection with, say, people in my dreams, because they're so much closer to me. Even if we were "programmed" to behave the way we do or whatever, it'd be such a complicated program that we might as WELL be real people, with how complicated and nuanced their behaviors already are.
[QUOTE=MR-X;48033866]What happens if we're just a simulation for a more intelligent species, we're not in a computer or anything. But genetically engineered like lab rats...and they gave us our own little sandbox to see how we would do?[/QUOTE] Then I would question when I would get my goddamn cheese.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;48029239]I've had this type of an idea for as long as I can remember. When I was younger (3-7) I would very frequently experience an extremely weird sensation like I was completely detached from reality. It was confusing. It made my head hurt a lot. It just felt so strange. All of my experiences when feeling this weren't just a thought, it was an actual sensation. Like a state of physical being. It was really, really weird. I quit feeling that stuff when I got older (around 8). I'm pretty glad I quit feeling those sensations. Words can't describe what it felt like. I always tried to comprehend that feeling by comparing life to a video game. A pre-determined path, with pre-determined values and constants. I tried discussing this concept that reality is just a computer simulation to some of my friends in school but they all thought I was crazy. I didn't even know that type of an idea was something grounded in science.[/QUOTE] Hey I feel this too sometimes, the only way I can describe the sensation is like your watching yourself through your own eyes, in a video. Another way (This might be super off since i've never actually used VR headsets) would be playing a game through a vr headset, but with a latency thats so low that it doesn't actually pose a burden, but its high enough to be noticeable and 'disconnect' you from yourself. Its really trippy and I still experience it rarely (I'm far older than 8 years old), and I've always associated it with chemical change in the body (like adrenaline surges). I don't really mind, because when it does happen it only lasts until you notice, and I actually kinda like the feeling tbh (Until I get a huge existential crisis afterwords because I start thinking that I'm in a simulation and the server's lagging). I wonder if this happens with everyone, or I just have something majorly wrong with me.
[QUOTE=gudman;48036142]I don't think there's anyone who never thought about something at least somewhat close to that. But that doesn't scare me though, I'm fine with you guys, by which I mean, every other person that is not me. Even if you are just a simulation, you're pretty damn good ones and fun to be around.[/QUOTE] Man, this whole thing with you pondering about whether or not everyone else is a simulation is doing a good job of convincing me you're not actually a simulation. But not good enough. I'm on to you.
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