[QUOTE=thisispain;37085201]i would say "that's nice" and hope nobody starts stalking her using ass comparison technology[/QUOTE]
ass comparison technology compares on 14 different ass criteria such as skin tone, cheek density, and volume
yeah, it's not something that's she'd do, but if she suddenly decided to, if she's just anonymously showing it out there then i don't see a problem
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;37085360]yeah, it's not something that's she'd do, but if she suddenly decided to, if she's just anonymously showing it out there then i don't see a problem[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't break up over it, but I'd tell her I'm not okay with it. The thought of hundreds of fat neckbeards jacking off to it is really not nice. Plus, I'd want my SO to have a little bit of modesty. I don't get these guys that post pics of their girlfriend's tits and stuff online (with the girlfriend consenting to it as well), cause if you loved her, you wouldn't do that knowing that other guys will just be looking at her like a piece of meat.
That's just how I feel on the subject though, I'm sure everyone has different views.
it's her body she can do with it whatever she wants
[QUOTE=thisispain;37085448]it's her body she can do with it whatever she wants[/QUOTE]
yeah, this
also, most people like to be reminded and reassured from time to time that they are attractive/desirable to others - and i don't mean in a craving-everyone's-attention-all-the-time sort of way, more of a "hey that's nice" sort of way
if that's achieved by anonymously posting a picture of your ass on the internet, well, fair enough then
[QUOTE=thisispain;37085448]it's her body she can do with it whatever she wants[/QUOTE]
by that logic: it's okay for her to walk around in a skimpy skirt and bikini bra strap all day long through the mall. it's not a matter of "it's her body she can do whatever she wants with it", it's more a matter of "I really care about her and I don't like the thought of my significant other walking around in clothes like that where guys will look at her like a piece of meat"
I feel strongly about this because sometimes when I go out with my older sisters to the mall or wherever, they're stared at like pieces of meat (not always, but most of the time). It's not very nice because these are the women I've grown up with all my life, I know them when they're happy, sad, angry, yet these guys that don't even know them think they have the right to look at them like a piece of meat? I love them as a brother loves a sister. So it's x10 more the case when it's a woman I love as a man loves a woman, because I truly care for her.
I'm all for letting my SO wear whatever she wants, but at the end of the day, I care about her as well. But this is besides the point because it's not as if I'm a control-freak when it comes to what people wear, so it'd never really apply to me. My dad and mum always told me that what makes the difference between the woman you love and the woman you don't, is that with the woman you love, you would hold her so close to your heart and keep the intimate things between yourselves. It's like when guys are sitting around a table, talking about how "they banged the shit out of their girl last night" or casually asking each other about intimate things, that isn't showing that you love her. Showing you love her would be saying "Guys, why the fuck would I tell any of you about this stuff?"
just my two cents, but I know your views are drastically different.
surely if you love someone and they love you, what matters more is that you do things you're both most comfortable with, rather than things that seem "right" according to what others seem to expect
youre totally over exaggerating, not everyone stares at girls when they wear skimpy clothing
also when they are staring, they aren't viewing her as a piece of meat, or objectifying her or something, they are just appreciating her body for what it is
and just because you have gotten to know them and seen them at their low doesn't mean anyone who [i]doesn't[/i] know them as well as you do is somehow less deserving than you
also when you're in love with someone, it doesn't "prove" its love because you decide to keep quiet about your entire relationship. its perfectly ok to talk about your feelings about your SO with your guy friends as long as you aren't being a dick about it
tbh you're just coming across as really stuck up, because you seem to think all other guys are slack-jawed assholes who don't appreciate women in the same way that you do or something
[quote] it's okay for her to walk around in a skimpy skirt and bikini bra strap all day long through the mall.[/quote]
sure, if that's what she wants lol
i would say take a jacket because she might catch a cold, san francisco gets chilly during the night
[quote]My dad and mum always told me that what makes the difference between the woman you love and the woman you don't, is that with the woman you love, you would hold her so close to your heart and keep the intimate things between yourselves.[/quote]
well that's full of shit. do i not love my significant other because sometimes i share our intimate moments (RAINBOWKIZZ)? no that's such an arbitrary notion.
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;37085765]youre totally over exaggerating, not everyone stares at girls when they wear skimpy clothing
also when they are staring, they aren't viewing her as a piece of meat, or objectifying her or something, they are just appreciating her body for what it is
and just because you have gotten to know them and seen them at their low doesn't mean anyone who [i]doesn't[/i] know them as well as you do is somehow less deserving than you
also when you're in love with someone, it doesn't "prove" its love because you decide to keep quiet about your entire relationship. its perfectly ok to talk about your feelings about your SO with your guy friends as long as you aren't being a dick about it
tbh you're just coming across as really stuck up, because you seem to think all other guys are slack-jawed assholes who don't appreciate women in the same way that you do or something[/QUOTE]
You totally misunderstood me. Where was I saying "because I know her, I'm more deserving of admiring her body" what the fuck?
When you walk down the street and you see some great-looking woman, what do you think in your mind? "Oh wow, she is so beautiful." Fuck no. You think more along the lines of "What a great ass, good tits too". You objectify them. I do it too! Most men do. I'm not saying I'm better than you. All I [I]am[/I] saying is I know how men think, and because of this, I feel more inclined to try and look out for my SO.
Again, you've completely misunderstood my point. I didn't say "I've seen them at their low so I am more deserving to appreciate them", I was saying I know them for who they are. I know the real person they are, they aren't just a good pair of legs to me, that's what makes me want to look out for them, and prevent them being treated like meat by other guys.
It's extraordinary how you've read my post and then somehow inserted your own words into it and replied based on what you inserted. Where did I say "keep quiet about your relationship, that's true love!"? I didn't. I said the difference between actually loving a woman, compared to just having someone you can fuck, is the fact that when it comes down to it, you respect what you have, and due to that respect, you prefer not to let other guys know about the [B]intimate[/B] details of your relationship. I'm not saying don't talk about the amazing day you spent with her, or how she made you laugh so hard that the drink you had came out your nose, but don't go telling your mates all the ins-and-outs (excuse the pun) of your sexual life with her. That's my opinion.
I'm not stuck up, I don't think all other guys are slack-jawed assholes who don't appreciate women. All I'm saying is, on a fundamentally basic level, men are all hardwired the same. I know it because I am a man. So where's the harm in just doing what I can to try and protect my SO from how men think. If she's dressed modestly, men will admire her for her beauty, but if she's dressed in skimpy clothing, men can't help but automatically judge her as easy or a piece of meat.
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[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;37085755]surely if you love someone and they love you, what matters more is that you do things you're both most comfortable with, rather than things that seem "right" according to what others seem to expect[/QUOTE]
This is totally correct. If you love someone and they love you, then you'll both have somewhat of the same mindset, so I'm sure with me, I won't end up with an SO that would do things I'm uncomfortable with.
And with my original point, it's not so much doing things that people think are right, it's more along the lines of caring about my SO and wanting to look out for her. We're all guys here, have you not been witness to guy talk? I've been in a group with my mates and a couple of girls, and the moment the girls leave, it breaks out into "God damn, look at that ass". I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, there isn't, but at the end of the day, I really really really wouldn't feel comfortable knowing guys are talking about the girl I love in that way, you know?
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[QUOTE=thisispain;37085779]sure, if that's what she wants lol
i would say take a jacket because she might catch a cold, san francisco gets chilly during the night
well that's full of shit. do i not love my significant other because sometimes i share our intimate moments (RAINBOWKIZZ)? no that's such an arbitrary notion.[/QUOTE]
To each his own, man.
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I just want to emphasize the point that I am in [I]no way[/I] controlling in the relationships I've been in. This issue, the whole posting pictures of her ass or whatever, would never even be an issue to me as it wouldn't even happen. The girls I know and the girls I would get with aren't the type to even want to do that.
I'm just incredibly shit at articulating my points and my posts always end up coming out the way I don't intend for them to. I just find it difficult putting thoughts (and more importantly, feelings) into replies I make. What makes it even more difficult is the fact that none of you actually know me, know the type of guy I am, so what may appear to be a stuck-up attitude to you guys, is in fact really not.
This thread needs a Steam Group Chat so we could all hop in and chat or talk or whatever, that'd be cool.
quite a number of my friends are pretty open about their sex lives, both male and female, so it's not really just confined to "guy talk"
sometimes all the sharing gives people ideas of what they want to try etc that they hadn't thought of before, so in my circle of friends it works out well for everyone really
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girls talk about their sex lives to their close friends just as much as guys do
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;37085990]quite a number of my friends are pretty open about their sex lives, both male and female, so it's not really just confined to "guy talk"
sometimes all the sharing gives people ideas of what they want to try etc that they hadn't thought of before, so in my circle of friends it works out well for everyone really
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girls talk about their sex lives to their close friends just as much as guys do[/QUOTE]
Yeah, same here in Ireland. I guess I'm just being a fool. But I'll never be the type to talk about my sex life to anyone, unless the girl wasn't really a girlfriend and was more along the lines of a hookup or something not serious.
[QUOTE=loopoo;37085902]When you walk down the street and you see some great-looking woman, what do you think in your mind? "Oh wow, she is so beautiful." Fuck no. You think more along the lines of "What a great ass, good tits too". You objectify them. I do it too! Most men do. I'm not saying I'm better than you. All I [I]am[/I] saying is I know how men think, and because of this, I feel more inclined to try and look out for my SO.[/QUOTE]
no, you're just sexist. all of my friends have always been males and i've only known two guys who objectified women.
[quote]I just want to emphasize the point that I am in no way controlling in the relationships I've been in.[/quote]
if you say so
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;37085765]tbh you're just coming across as really stuck up, because you seem to think all other guys are slack-jawed assholes who don't appreciate women in the same way that you do or something[/QUOTE]
^ hit the nail on the head
you're being sexist against both sexes right now - sexist against women for blatantly objectifying them and sexist against men for thinking the rest of them are at the same primitive level as you
[editline]5th August 2012[/editline]
sdadffad MY AUTOMERGE
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;37086342]no, you're just sexist. all of my friends have always been males and i've only known two guys who objectified women.[/QUOTE]
Well that's a load of bullshit. I don't objectify my female friends, but a randomer female that I happen to see when I'm out is objectified. I'm really not sexist, I don't believe men are supposed to be macho and women are supposed to be dainty. Women and men can do whatever the hell they like. But if your guy friends say they don't check out women, then they're blatantly lying.
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[QUOTE=Yahnich;37086396]isn't lowering a human being down to the level of an object p much sexist in itself??
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also itt loopoo is a prude and rates everyone who disagrees with his old-fashioned views dumb[/QUOTE]
Uh, I rated one guy dumb because he put his own words into my post then replied to what he had "thought" I said.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;37086432]What if someone objectfied everyone? Would that be sexist or would they be some new word that means they objectify everyone. Objectifist or something.[/QUOTE]
please no the last thing i wanna think about is ayn rand thanks in advance
[QUOTE=Yahnich;37086437]there's a difference between tossing a quick glance to a butt and thinking "this pleases me" and then going back to your merry way and staring at the butt and going "i would do nasty, nasty things to you"[/QUOTE]
Yes, there is. Your point being?
Actually, you know what guys, don't bother. I'm a prude, I'm sexist, I objectify women and I'm a control-freak. Have I missed anything out? Oh, and I'm primitive. And I think someone also said I was stuck up.
Well shit, you've all made me realize the monster I really am!
[editline]5th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Yahnich;37086458]that you're calling the first thing objectifying when it's just checking someone out.[/QUOTE]
Your logic is [I]infallible.[/I] Is looking at a woman's butt and completely ignoring her as a person not objectifying? You're objectifying her by looking purely at her butt. Good going, buddy!
You know what, I'm gonna objectify you [B]all [/B]right now as lovely people who have been really great to talk to these past few days. So yeah, fuck you, I'm objectifying you all.
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[QUOTE=Yahnich;37086482]you called yourself objectifying
and some of those are pretty much synonyms[/QUOTE]
I'm just confused now man.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;37086498]loopoo, you should just quit caring what anyone else says about you and how you handle relationships.[/QUOTE]
I understand everyone has their own views and opinions, and it's really quite difficult having a discussion about it over a forum because words are a poor substitute for emotion and inflection, so it's understandable for people to misinterpret what I've said, especially due to the fact I've only dug myself into a deeper hole and am now in a veritable abyss of uh-oh.
But like I said earlier, it'd be great to hop in a Steam chat group with you guys and just talk.
[QUOTE=Yahnich;37086545]i think the main problem here is that you're [I]kinda[/I] sounding a bit elitist, with all the "the people i know would surely never do such nonsense" schtick, and you have a very broad term for sexual objectification[/QUOTE]
I said earlier on that my friends do in fact do that. I agreed on the fact that I do it too. My original point was about me not talking about intimate details regarding my SO, that was it. But it kinda got blown out of proportion, admittedly because of me.
You're thinking about yesterday when we were talking about having intimate relationships as 15 year olds, when I mentioned it wasn't in our heads cause we were all basically family.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;37086582]I live in Smalltown USA and I can't buy condom because my mom knows every single person in town.[/QUOTE]
Haha, I remember this one time I stopped by at this pharmacy that is on the same street as my college. It's basically right next door to the newsagents all my mates hang out at. I went in to get the condom, and then a friend busted in asking me what I was getting. I ended up buying toothpaste and a toothbrush cause I didn't want him to start asking questions about why I was getting a condom. Good times! The woman at the pharmacy gave me a funny look because she saw me at the condom stand a few minutes earlier.
[QUOTE=Yahnich;37086653]i once bought condoms and didn't realize until i was at the checkout that the cashier was my older female cousin and she just had this shit eating grin on her face[/QUOTE]
I would just start dieing if I sold condoms to my cousin.
[QUOTE=Yahnich;37086691]my family is [I]incredibly, incredibly[/I] cool about sex, it's so crazy how liberal they are they even freak me out with their casual banter
it's like yo mom
no
shut up[/QUOTE]
my mom's really laid back about it and doesn't get involved with my personal affairs, no idea if my dad realizes or not though. usually prefer not to do things at my own house because of the possibility of being walked in on etc though
[QUOTE=loopoo;37086466]Actually, you know what guys, don't bother. I'm a prude, I'm sexist, I objectify women and I'm a control-freak. Have I missed anything out? Oh, and I'm primitive. And I think someone also said I was stuck up.
Well shit, you've all made me realize the monster I really am!
[editline]5th August 2012[/editline]
Your logic is [I]infallible.[/I] Is looking at a woman's butt and completely ignoring her as a person not objectifying? You're objectifying her by looking purely at her butt. Good going, buddy![/QUOTE]
what a big baby
yes whenever you look at a woman purely because of physical attraction you are objectifying her which is a disgusting act and you're a terrible person for it! in reality you should be looking at her ass labeled "JUICY" and thinking "wow i bet she has a beautiful personality. i would like to get to know her :)". there's nothing wrong with checking someone out because of their physical appearance. when you treat someone as if they're worth no more than their good looks, then you're objectifying them. get over yourself
[QUOTE=Yahnich;37086596]you kinda did, you are assuming all the girls you know are pristine little angels, but if they WERE showing themselves on the internet i doubt they'd be telling everyone they know[/QUOTE]
Well, shit. That's not how I feel on the subject, the way I went about saying it was a bit iffy. I went full-retard, and a wise man I once knew told me to never go full-retard. A problem I have is I write things down and assume you know me and what I mean, which is incredibly stupid. I keep thinking - for some reason - you know the scenarios I'm thinking of, rather than explaining what I'm actually thinking.
All in all, these past few replies of mine have been pretty stupid, so let's just move along. I'm sure in the next couple of days I'll repeat this with an action that is equally as silly. So look forward to that! (I'm joking, next time I'll be more considerate about what I type).
[editline]5th August 2012[/editline]
Let's go ahead and change the subject, cause this thread has been my happy place for the past couple days. I come here for the good vibes and warm fuzzies.
I'm going out to a restaurant with my dad later on today, which is gonna be good. Sex, Girlfriends and Going on Dates with your Father is what this thread should be renamed to in my honour. It's been a good long while since we went out so it's gonna be an enjoyable time I think. I hope no one objectifies my father by looking at his ass and not seeing the man I know and love... (I'm kidding)
[QUOTE=loopoo;37087079]Well, shit. That's not how I feel on the subject, the way I went about saying it was a bit iffy. I went full-retard, and a wise man I once knew told me to never go full-retard. A problem I have is I write things down and assume you know me and what I mean, which is incredibly stupid. I keep thinking - for some reason - you know the scenarios I'm thinking of, rather than explaining what I'm actually thinking.
All in all, these past few replies of mine have been pretty stupid, so let's just move along. I'm sure in the next couple of days I'll repeat this with an action that is equally as silly. So look forward to that! (I'm joking, next time I'll be more considerate about what I type).
[editline]5th August 2012[/editline]
Let's go ahead and change the subject, cause this thread has been my happy place for the past couple days. I come here for the good vibes and warm fuzzies.
I'm going out to a restaurant with my dad later on today, which is gonna be good. Sex, Girlfriends and Going on Dates with your Father is what this thread should be renamed to in my honour. It's been a good long while since we went out so it's gonna be an enjoyable time I think. I hope no one objectifies my father by looking at his ass and not seeing the man I know and love... (I'm kidding)[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly old fashioned like you are, you just have to let other people live the way they want to live, then they'll let you live the way you want to live.
[QUOTE=Ghost101;37087167]I'm fairly old fashioned like you are, you just have to let other people live the way they want to live, then they'll let you live the way you want to live.[/QUOTE]
Oh man, I'm only 19 :( I've already been told that I act like a 40 year old, and now you're saying I'm old fashioned :v: I'm only kidding, nothing wrong with being old fashioned!
But yeah, true, to each his own.
i took a girl's virginity
it was intense
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