Death Grips - Greatest Hits Compilation commercial - General

[QUOTE=TheHydra;42091462]people tried to say that kanye's new album was directly influenced by death grips but i think they're completely deluded[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be so sure about that.

[QUOTE=Alec W;42091608]I wouldn't be so sure about that.[/QUOTE] lol care to explain to the class

id like to thank vedicardi for bumping my thread about a band he absolutely hates, so the video could end up getting 5k+ views

[QUOTE=TheHydra;42091846]lol care to explain to the class[/QUOTE] I'm a huge fan of Kanye, his new album was a solid 7 / 10 in my book though. I feel like there was a lot of experimental sound going on, not of Kanye's own experimentation, but an emulation of Death Grips and B L A C K I E and the likes. Although, there's no way to prove or disprove this. (I also liked HudMo's production on Blood On The Leaves, fav track)

[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;42091870]id like to thank vedicardi for bumping my thread about a band he absolutely hates, so the video could end up getting 5k+ views[/QUOTE] i keep getting got this is ridiculous im really fuckin up guys [editline]5th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=TheHydra;42091462]people tried to say that kanye's new album was directly influenced by death grips but i think they're completely deluded[/QUOTE] irrelevant, regardless.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42091953]irrelevant, regardless.[/QUOTE] not so sure it would be irrelevant. kanye's still one of the biggest figures in hip-hop, and he exerts a massive influence whether through his own albums or production on other albums, and so the sounds he's influenced by also exert an influence. the impact of his latest album has yet to be determined but i think we'll find it made some waves. i just don't think death grips had anything to do with it.

i know he is, but his style, even on the new record as I understand it, is vastly different, and even if death grips had been his influence, by the time he was done with it, it would be irrelevant, like it would be with any other massive artist taking ideas from a small one. influencing major acts is not a movement, creating a massive number of small ones is. even then, i still think there are bands that do what death grips do BEFORE they did it, and better. if it ever did become a trend, they would have popularized it but certainly not created it.

[QUOTE=Alec W;42091916]I'm a huge fan of Kanye, his new album was a solid 7 / 10 in my book though. I feel like there was a lot of experimental sound going on, not of Kanye's own experimentation, but an emulation of Death Grips and B L A C K I E and the likes. Although, there's no way to prove or disprove this. (I also liked HudMo's production on Blood On The Leaves, fav track)[/QUOTE] i just don't think there's any tangible connection between death grips and yeezus other than the barest of aesthetic similarities which can also be found in just about any "dark" hip-hop or industrial album ever made. tracking musical influences is like the most interesting shit to me but i just don't see the connection. (i liked "i'm in it" and "bound 2" the most) [editline]5th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Vedicardi;42092122]i know he is, but his style, even on the new record as I understand it, is vastly different, and even if death grips had been his influence, by the time he was done with it, it would be irrelevant, like it would be with any other massive artist taking ideas from a small one. influencing major acts is not a movement, creating a massive number of small ones is. even then, i still think there are bands that do what death grips do BEFORE they did it, and better. if it ever did become a trend, they would have popularized it but certainly not created it.[/QUOTE] what if the progression is small act -> major act -> smaller acts taking from major act? i think you're talking about influence in more of the cultural sense (i.e. the punk movement) if i'm reading you right, whereas i'm just talking about where certain sounds came from. what bands would you say did what death grips did beforehand?

im talking about both. the sex pistols broke the punk movement culturally but all the of the bands involved in it were formed before the group put out their first single. movements always start with small acts making small acts making more until one GETS big, it never just jumps onto a group or musician that is ALREADY big. tpain might know more about than me. im only following the modern rap scene very tangentially but im still aware of a few groups that have at the very least done similar things (they are not clones by any means). all you have to do is look at the noise community. I think you can go as early as MF Doom when looking at experimental hip hop, and madlib at that

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42091083]if you like the music a lot, it is "too late" but in my perfect world you would just not have listened to them in the first place, ignoring the hype, not caring what your friends think is worth listening to, and so on. develop your own taste, think for yourself, be an individual.[/QUOTE] I didn't know about the hype around Death Grips when I got into them, I just ran into their video for Beware, I thought it was pretty cool and checked their stuff out. And who cares who out what influences your taste, all that matters is if you enjoy the music.

because music then caters to the taste of everyone because everyone has the same taste. less variety in music, less originality, simple commercialization, stagnation, death. you dont just "run into" videos by the way.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42094518]because music then caters to the taste of everyone because everyone has the same taste. less variety in music, less originality, simple commercialization, stagnation, death. you dont just "run into" videos by the way.[/QUOTE] dude what fucking planet do you come from you run into videos by being linked to them by other people or just randomly scouring related videos your argument is literally "you are wrong for liking this because theres all these bands that are better (in my opinion) [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] you're trying to fight your way out of a corner lul

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42094518]because music then caters to the taste of everyone because everyone has the same taste. less variety in music, less originality, simple commercialization, stagnation, death. you dont just "run into" videos by the way.[/QUOTE] This whole post pretty much makes no sense. You're really grasping at straws.

[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;42094715]dude what fucking planet do you come from you run into videos by being linked to them by other people or just randomly scouring related videos your argument is literally "you are wrong for liking this because theres all these bands that are better (in my opinion) [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] you're trying to fight your way out of a corner lul[/QUOTE] didnt say the bands were better, it is the system by which these bands are presented that is the issue. you have missed every point i have made. though i have said death grips is not original, I have never said they are awful, or even bad, or even that there is someone better than them [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;42094883]This whole post pretty much makes no sense. You're really grasping at straws.[/QUOTE] sorry that you don't get it.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42095216]didnt say the bands were better, it is the system by which these bands are presented that is the issue. you have missed every point i have made. though i have said death grips is not original, I have never said they are awful, or even bad, or even that there is someone better than them [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] sorry that you don't get it.[/QUOTE] is it even possible to develop your own uninfluenced taste in the internet age though? besides shutting yourself off from all input, i mean. you're gonna run into hype and other people's tastes are gonna have some kind of effect on you eventually

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42095216]didnt say the bands were better, it is the system by which these bands are presented that is the issue. you have missed every point i have made. though i have said death grips is not original, I have never said they are awful, or even bad, or even that there is someone better than them[/QUOTE] don't you fucking dare you've dragged this out 3 pages with your shit

[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;42095299]don't you fucking dare you've dragged this out 3 pages with your shit[/QUOTE] Don't respond then?? It's as simple as that.

[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;42095299]don't you fucking dare you've dragged this out 3 pages with your shit[/QUOTE] yeah cause the thread was really something before this discussion happened

[QUOTE=TheHydra;42095259]is it even possible to develop your own uninfluenced taste in the internet age though? besides shutting yourself off from all input, i mean. you're gonna run into hype and other people's tastes are gonna have some kind of effect on you eventually[/QUOTE] you should try. in a few other threads i've presented methods to go about doing so. maybe i should make a master list of information on the topic to keep on hand. there are many, many places to find new music that are devoid of hype, and as a person that had no friends for a very long time, i had no problem with others tastes effecting me! [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] the issue is with bands being presented based either on how good their story is, how "attractive" their image is, or how much money they have behind them, none of which have to do with their music. it creates an uneven and unfair playing field and encourages mediocrity. it encourages spending more money on a music video than making the music.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42095216]though i have said death grips is not original, I have never said they are awful, or even bad, or even that there is someone better than them [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Vedicardi;42014554]they will be forgotten as contrived image-centric trash like new wave of the 80s[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42095216]sorry that you don't get it.[/QUOTE] There is nothing to get, your reply pretty much had nothing to do with what I said. I said it doesn't matter how you find music, as long as you enjoy it. Then you went into genres and stagnation, because apparently finding music your own way = death of music industry.

[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;42098709]quotes[/QUOTE] like you cant recognize that as hyperbole [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;42098875]There is nothing to get, your reply pretty much had nothing to do with what I said. I said it doesn't matter how you find music, as long as you enjoy it. Then you went into genres and stagnation, because apparently finding music your own way = death of music industry.[/QUOTE] alright

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;42092289]im talking about both. the sex pistols broke the punk movement culturally but all the of the bands involved in it were formed before the group put out their first single. movements always start with small acts making small acts making more until one GETS big, it never just jumps onto a group or musician that is ALREADY big. tpain might know more about than me. im only following the modern rap scene very tangentially but im still aware of a few groups that have at the very least done similar things (they are not clones by any means). all you have to do is look at the noise community. I think you can go as early as MF Doom when looking at experimental hip hop, and madlib at that[/QUOTE] experimental hip hop is by no means a new thing nor is death grips the first experimental hip hop act to reach such acclaim and popularity but that doesn't discount how unique death grips is (regardless of whether you like them or not). people like to cite "the noise community" a lot when talking about death grips production but every time somebody has told me "x group sounds like death grips" they haven't sounded remotely similar. see: B L A C K I E, techno animal, dalek [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Vedicardi;42094518]because music then caters to the taste of everyone because everyone has the same taste. less variety in music, less originality, simple commercialization, stagnation, death. you dont just "run into" videos by the way.[/QUOTE] ?? so no matter what range of music i enjoy, if i'm not well educated on the history of the genres and the influences of my favorite bands, everyone will have the same taste? vedi im sorry youre being very very silly right now. and you can run into a video by having someone link it to you, having it posted on a blog, having a friend show it to you, etc [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Vedicardi;42095428]you should try. in a few other threads i've presented methods to go about doing so. maybe i should make a master list of information on the topic to keep on hand. there are many, many places to find new music that are devoid of hype, and as a person that had no friends for a very long time, i had no problem with others tastes effecting me! [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] the issue is with bands being presented based either on how good their story is, how "attractive" their image is, or how much money they have behind them, none of which have to do with their music. it creates an uneven and unfair playing field and encourages mediocrity. it encourages spending more money on a music video than making the music.[/QUOTE] its a bit funny that you would mention spending money on vids rather than production while talking about death grips, given that they've shot nearly all of their videos on like a $20 budget each i get and sorta agree with the idea that music shouldn't be about image or backstory but rather just musical content and talent but when you say death grips specifically are all hype rather than music and then turn around say "well im not necessarily calling them bad musically!" it doesnt make much sense. when you single out death grips and say they're image centric but then on your last.fm listen frequently to bands like the beatles, judas priest, QOTSA, misfits, bad brains, pixies, etc it makes it pretty obvious you're just picking on death grips because you dont care for their music. why can QOTSA spend money on lavish music videos and death grips cant? why can bands like the beatles, judas priest, misfits and ac/dc have prevalent images and backstory but not death grips? and why can image/backstory not just be in ADDITION to the music rather than a foundation, unless its a band that you enjoy? if you dont like death grips then ok but the self righteous "its because death grips fans are hurting music! its all image!!" thing i dont buy for a moment. is there a lot of hype and idolization revolving death grips? yeah totally. are you able to enjoy death grips musically rather than for image? yep! [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] i dont even understand the point of bringing up "the noise community" or experimental hip hop as a whole if you're acknowledging that death grips isn't a clone of anyone else anyway? i mean people like el-p and dj shadow have been doing noise-influenced/experimental hip hop since the 90s but even those that you would consider pioneers of experimental hip hop dont sound remotely like death grips even at their most experimental moments so i dont understand the significance of the comparison

For fucks sake, people, could a mod shut this thread down? This whole debate is damn near growing mold.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;42102602]experimental hip hop is by no means a new thing nor is death grips the first experimental hip hop act to reach such acclaim and popularity but that doesn't discount how unique death grips is (regardless of whether you like them or not). people like to cite "the noise community" a lot when talking about death grips production but every time somebody has told me "x group sounds like death grips" they haven't sounded remotely similar. see: B L A C K I E, techno animal, dalek [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] ?? so no matter what range of music i enjoy, if i'm not well educated on the history of the genres and the influences of my favorite bands, everyone will have the same taste? vedi im sorry youre being very very silly right now. and you can run into a video by having someone link it to you, having it posted on a blog, having a friend show it to you, etc [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] its a bit funny that you would mention spending money on vids rather than production while talking about death grips, given that they've shot nearly all of their videos on like a $20 budget each i get and sorta agree with the idea that music shouldn't be about image or backstory but rather just musical content and talent but when you say death grips specifically are all hype rather than music and then turn around say "well im not necessarily calling them bad musically!" it doesnt make much sense. when you single out death grips and say they're image centric but then on your last.fm listen frequently to bands like the beatles, judas priest, QOTSA, misfits, bad brains, pixies, etc it makes it pretty obvious you're just picking on death grips because you dont care for their music. why can QOTSA spend money on lavish music videos and death grips cant? why can bands like the beatles, judas priest, misfits and ac/dc have prevalent images and backstory but not death grips? and why can image/backstory not just be in ADDITION to the music rather than a foundation, unless its a band that you enjoy? if you dont like death grips then ok but the self righteous "its because death grips fans are hurting music! its all image!!" thing i dont buy for a moment. is there a lot of hype and idolization revolving death grips? yeah totally. are you able to enjoy death grips musically rather than for image? yep! [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] i dont even understand the point of bringing up "the noise community" or experimental hip hop as a whole if you're acknowledging that death grips isn't a clone of anyone else anyway? i mean people like el-p and dj shadow have been doing noise-influenced/experimental hip hop since the 90s but even those that you would consider pioneers of experimental hip hop dont sound remotely like death grips even at their most experimental moments so i dont understand the significance of the comparison[/QUOTE] ill be back with a longer response, but in brief, this is a new thing. there was really no issue with "image centric" or "image heavy" artists for the most part in the 30s-90s (even into the early 00s) because of the way record labels operated. even then, most of those bands have no current marketing so in that sense they are outside of this realm of critique, though perhaps it could have during the time they were active. when i say things like spending a lot on a music video, i am not referring specifically to death grips, nor was I really in any of those last few posts unless i cited them specifically by name. the reason I didnt want to bring up examples of bands that sound like death grips is because really it is a baseless argument. there is no band that sounds EXACTLY like any other so it is a very broad statement that can "easily" be "disputed" by simply saying "no they don't sound similar." it is just my opinion that they are not original and there are artists that have done things similar to what they are "doing" "better." even that was just a side point and really something I did not need to bring up, so my bad. i dont care for their music personally, yet i am not saying they are all hype rather than music, exactly. Rather, I am saying that is their main selling point, that such is the main reason people are attracted to them, and what they seem to spend the most time on, and that is reflected in fans that talk more "about" them as a whole rather than their music. with death grips and similar bands, the story is not in addition, it is the main course. If they did not have a good story or have, say, zach hill in the band, who would pay attention to them? you would most likely have never seen them.

for the record kopimi and i are tumblr buddies ;) lol so this is not a fight or anything