Comp, you're gonna need to take an apology picture for us.....
oh my god there's coherently written posts now!!
[QUOTE=O'10er;28315363]Of course he's not going to confirm it[/QUOTE]
I'd like to see the basis for his denial, though.
Dear compwhizii i have an "official question"
What do you think it is about you that leads benji to be so attracted to you?
Id like to ask, why are you moderating the forums but not fixing the problems it has, and improving upon it? Isn't that what you are being payed to do? There has to be a way to fix the "ghost page" bug, and the only difference I have noticed in a while is that extra sized font. Also why won't you go on a date with Jimbomcb?
[QUOTE]Adnap Ralopib: is venn still banned?
compwhizii: no he got unbanned very soon after we cleared it up
compwhizii: and he was cool with it and understanding
Adnap Ralopib: cool[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you're still the one saying he's cool with it. Not really credible, since that was obviously what you put it in there for
[QUOTE=Quark:;28315365]Comp, you're gonna need to take an apology picture for us.....[/QUOTE]
Without jello this time
[b]Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you a one-on-one talk with our esteemed TH89 about all the shit going on right now.[/b]
PART DEUX
This one is just like 2pac's interview, divvied up into sections. Approved by TH89
Let's get this underway.
Same format as the last interview, quotes followed by tl;drs.
[b][h2]General Incriminations[/h2][/b]
[quote]Funk: general feelings towards hezzy's demod?
Bro Chi Minh: totally unjustified
Bro Chi Minh: it's not out of character with how garry's handled the mod team in the past, though
Bro Chi Minh: he tended to not tell us anything for long periods, and then suddenly come in and do something heavy-handed
Bro Chi Minh: then he'd leave again, and Hezzy would try to translate his orders into some kind of feasible moderation policy
Funk: I see[/quote]
tl;dr: Hezzy's demod was totally out of the blue, and removed a vital link to the moderation process
[quote]Bro Chi Minh: well, first one thing I'd like to touch on is garry's handling of the compwhizii/mod fights
Bro Chi Minh: the mods would complain, he would basically say "yeah, compwhizii shouldn't be doing that but you guys need to lay off"
Bro Chi Minh: then compwhizii would do it again, same thing would happen
Bro Chi Minh: a good analogy is this scene in the movie Airplane!
Funk: haha what
Bro Chi Minh: I don't know if you've seen it, but there's a scene where a young kid goes to a house to pick someone up
Bro Chi Minh: the wife invites the kid in, and the family dog is getting up in his face and barking
Bro Chi Minh: the wife says "shep, no!"
Bro Chi Minh: the kid starts trying to explain why he's there, meanwhile the dog is starting to growl
Bro Chi Minh: wife has her back to him, says "shep, no" distractedly
Bro Chi Minh: the dog eventually gets the kid on the ground and is mauling him
Bro Chi Minh: wife says "shep, no!" and still doesn't do anything
Bro Chi Minh: it's super funny in the movie
Bro Chi Minh: anyway the kid is facepunch
Bro Chi Minh: the dog is compwhizii
Bro Chi Minh: and the wife is garry
Funk: sounds like compwhoozle to me
[/quote]
tl;dr: Compwhizii continued to moderate after being told not to, much to the moderators' disbelief. Garry was little help.
[quote]Bro Chi Minh: anyway, re: going out pred style
Bro Chi Minh: there's always a vague temptation but I didn't want a leave a mess for the other mods to have to clean up, because none of this was their fault
Bro Chi Minh: plus I'm 21 now and I'm not that interested in trying to kick over garry's sand castle
Funk: true
Funk: seems as the mods grow up disinterest follows
Funk: cant blame you
Bro Chi Minh: besides, if I'm trying to send the message that I'm unhappy with how the forums are being managed, going psycho and trying to fuck everything up isn't going to be very helpful
Bro Chi Minh: people will just go "lol TH89 went psycho"
Funk: true
[/quote]
tl;dr: TH89 was also too classy to go out pr3d style, and a nice guy too. :golfclap:
[quote]Bro Chi Minh: also I'd just like to add, the main reason I quit
Bro Chi Minh: after watching hezzy get demodded pretty much just getting justifiably irritated, and then the same to rayvenQ for a similarly minor offense, not to mention my experiences as a mod over the past couple years
Bro Chi Minh: I just don't get a sense that garry has much respect or appreciation for the mod team or the work they do
Bro Chi Minh: and to an extent I can't really blame him, when you have a forum the size of FP there's always going to be five hundred kids clamoring for a mod job, so it's not like we're valuable
Funk: that reminds me actually - what's your opinion on rayvenq's demod?
Bro Chi Minh: but I figure if we're going to get treated like booty, we should at least be doing something we're getting paid for
Bro Chi Minh: rayvenQ's demod was at least as unjustified as hezzy's if not quite as surprising given the precedent
Funk: out of nowhere, would you say?
Funk: i saw a pic from the mod forum about the post he was demodded for
Funk: seemed pretty harsh
Bro Chi Minh: absolutely out of nowhere, yeah
Bro Chi Minh: rayvenQ certainly didn't see it coming
[/quote]
tl;dr: Garry may feel mods are expendable (they aren't), as evidenced by RayvenQ's unjustifiable demod.
[b][h2]Compwhizii[/h2][/b]
[quote]Funk: so onto compwhizii
Funk: worst thing about doggy ears
Funk: ?
Bro Chi Minh: honestly, I don't have a burning rage for compwhizii like pac does
Bro Chi Minh: I mean yeah, I was annoyed along with everyone else (except benji) when he kept moderating when he wasn't supposed to
Bro Chi Minh: and not just moderating but doing stuff that any of us mods would get demodded for
Bro Chi Minh: I think that was the most frustrating thing
Bro Chi Minh: oh yeah
Bro Chi Minh: there was a point where, in defense of his illicit moderating, he said something to the effect of "I give and I give and I get nothing back, you think this is easy?"
Funk: no way
Bro Chi Minh: and I was like "lol dude you getting paid"
Bro Chi Minh: But apart from that stuff, the forums haven't collapsed or anything so as far as I can tell he's doing his job
Funk: yeh
Bro Chi Minh: And now that he's allowed to moderate, I'm not fussed, time will tell whether it's a good idea
Funk: its not
[/quote]
tl;dr: TH89 doesn't hate compwhoozle as much, but acknowledges he's a dumbass.
[quote]Funk: sorry to drag 2pac into this but he sent me this
Funk: [quote]INF] PacificV2: oh, one thing I forgot to mention
INF] PacificV2: that comp will probably mention as well
Funk: ?
INF] PacificV2: be sure to ask th89 about the harddeleted posts in the gmf
INF] PacificV2: and how comp handled them
Funk: k
INF] PacificV2: and the mod response
INF] PacificV2: and how he handled that as well
INF] PacificV2: it's p important
Funk: alright will do[/quote]
Funk: care to elaborate?
Bro Chi Minh: I maybe didn't pay as much attention to that as I should have
Bro Chi Minh: All I know is that people (including Jimbo, I think?) made some threads/posts in the GMF that were making fun of compwhizii or had embarrassing pictures of him, or something
Bro Chi Minh: So comp hard-deleted them
Bro Chi Minh: For people who don't know, when you hard-delete a post, it's gone forever, you can't get it back
Bro Chi Minh: so there's no way to even know what was in it unless you saw it beforehand
Bro Chi Minh: for that reason, even us mods were forbidden from hard-deleting anything
Bro Chi Minh: just to give a sense of the infraction
Bro Chi Minh: so compwhizii hard deleted the posts, and that just pissed people off more, and he started deleting those posts too
Bro Chi Minh: he might have banned some people, but I can't remember
Bro Chi Minh: the mods were really pissed
Bro Chi Minh: basically clamoring for his blood
Bro Chi Minh: compwhizii just responded with something along the lines of "hey guys, I'm going to remove my access to the GMF/mod forum, I need to focus more on important stuff"
Funk: haha
Bro Chi Minh: at this point some of the mods were pretty much foaming at the mouth. like "you're just going to delete a bunch of shit and then go hide? what the fuck man
Bro Chi Minh: that's all I remember :C
[/quote]
tl;dr: Compwhizii hard deleted posts in GMF specifically because they insulted him. This is an unrecoverable deletion and is not even used by the mods, let alone someone who shouldn't be moderating. The mods collectively hated him for this.
[b][h2]Benji[/h2][/b]
[quote]Funk: Let's start with Benji
Funk: biggest beef with him?
Bro Chi Minh: Pretty much every time there was a disagreement between the mods and garry/compwhizii/someone else in garry's camp, Benji would side against the rest of the mods
Bro Chi Minh: Even on what seemed to me like the flimsiest reasoning
Bro Chi Minh: At the time, I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt and not just think he was sucking up
Bro Chi Minh: In retrospect, it doesn't look so good
Bro Chi Minh: Either way, it was frustrating[/quote]
tl;dr: Benji is a suckup, and also annoying to other mods
[quote]Funk: do you remember what benjis bribe was for
Bro Chi Minh: From what I remember, people would ask him for Gold membership, offering him Steam games in exchange
Bro Chi Minh: he would say "I'll talk to hezzy about getting you gold membership," and they'd give him the game
Bro Chi Minh: meanwhile he'd lobby hezzy for gold membership for the person, bugging him and saying they were super cool dudes etc
Bro Chi Minh: eventually Hezzy found the PMs, although under what circumstances I don't remember, and that was that
Bro Chi Minh: none of the guys ever got gold membership. I don't know if Benji got to keep the games.
[/quote]
tl;dr: Benji took steam game bribes for gold membership, was the original cause of his demod. Somehow this was overlooked as he was remodded.
[quote]Funk: anything about Benji that stands out?
Funk: specific incidents, etc
Bro Chi Minh: I can confirm that he was pretty much the only dude defending compwhizii during his numerous "why are you still moderating" incidents
Bro Chi Minh: I'm not really going to lay into dude, but I just read icemaz's post about his gmod.com shenanigans, and it explains a lot
Bro Chi Minh: I hadn't known why he ended up getting remodded, actually
[/quote]
tl;dr: Benji sucked up to compwhizii as well, and was the only one defending him. I wonder why?
In closing:
[quote]Funk: anything left to say about benji or compwhizii?
Bro Chi Minh: not really
Bro Chi Minh: to be honest I feel not great about talking so much shit about them, since I didn't really do that much arguing in the mod forum at the time
[/quote]
TH89 is a nicer guy than you may think.
AND:
[quote]Funk: alright, I think that might be everything
Funk: any closing thoughts?
Bro Chi Minh: fuck steve harvey
Bro Chi Minh: free earl
[/quote]
Thanks to TH89 for the interview, and i'll see what I can do about talking to Hezzy or RayvenQ next.
Unedited chatlog is available here: [url]http://pastebin.com/RtEee4YJ[/url]
Let's (again) hope I don't get banned, eh?
[QUOTE=BigHeaded B;28315357]idk though pawnsticks been really hellbent on fixing up lamepunch since hezzy got demodded
he could do some good around here though[/QUOTE]
Pawnstick might not be the specific coder we need, but it's not hard to find good coders.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;28315255]This thread is moving at a pretty quick rate so this reply may seem out of place by the time I finish it. I hope you take the time to read this whole post, I took quote a long time typing it.
The first thing I'd like to address is I'm glad PacV2 is sharing his knowledge of the behind the scenes at Facepunch however I'm left to question it's validity. Accustations that there is some master plan by some mods is quite serious, and in my opinion very incorrect. [b]Nobody is top dog on the mod team[/b]. I don't see how some people think that's the case, from my view from posts in the mod forum and moderation interactions on the forum. The only person with authority above the rest is garry.
The mod recruits were chosen not by one mod but through discussion in the mod forum. Any moderator that had a problem with a candidate could of raised their concern. And to that, things aren't completely settled. Things can still change, these new mods are not irremovable. If they don't do a good job then garry and the mod team will take care of it.
Also, everyone shoal take a moment to think about who the main force behind these last fews hours of posts in this thread are by. [b] Are they really the people who know best for this Forum? [/b] A free-for-all, anything goes style of posting? This isn't what Facepunch started as, and is unfortunately what these individuals are driving it to. Is this really the future you want?[/QUOTE]
Are the people who use facepunch the people who know what's best for the forum?
Yeah probably, they're the ones who use it. Sure there are a lot of bad posters who could screw around the forums but the people who are most enraged by comp and benji's actions are the ones who have been here longest and probably do have a good idea of what FP should be like, not what it's becoming.
[QUOTE=Greenen72;28315385]Yeah, you're still the one saying he's cool with it. Not really credible, since that was obviously what you put it in there for[/QUOTE]
How the hell?
Some PMs,
[QUOTE=BipolarPanda]Why is garry adding so many new mods?[/QUOTE]
Not really something I understand well enough to give an answer to at 2am (I could theorize but I really don't want to), very sorry.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily]If facepunch goes down the drain (mods leave, facepunch becomes corrupt) do you think that you could release all of facepunch's mod/skins and a complete list of it's ban history?[/QUOTE]
Facepunch becomes bankrupt? Facepunch is a site run by Facepunch Studios, and I don't have control of what happens inside the company too much.
Maybe you could try and rephrase that question?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28315208]So basically you're going to keep moderating.
Actions speak louder than words so a better apology would have been "I'm going to take my hands off the mod controls from now on and just focus on developing the forums".[/QUOTE]
[b]I will not moderate at all for the next year with the exception of compromised moderators, advertising spam bots, or forum exploit attempts[/b]
If I do moderate, I will be stripped of administrative rights.
benji aint capable of shit
[QUOTE=Prismatex;28315343]That may be how it's supposed to be, but there's a strong perception among people that Benji is strongarming the rest of the mod team into going along with his demands. Can you confirm or deny this?
[editline]27th February 2011[/editline]
It's coming soon, from what I understand.[/QUOTE]
You really think he will tell the truth about that?
[QUOTE=Prismatex;28315343]That may be how it's supposed to be, but there's a strong perception among people that Benji is strongarming the rest of the mod team into going along with his demands. Can you confirm or deny this?
[editline]27th February 2011[/editline]
It's coming soon, from what I understand.[/QUOTE]
It just occured to me- You would be a great mod.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;28315386]Without jello this time[/QUOTE]
Looks like he's gonna need a liposuction then
[QUOTE=O'10er;28315229]Can someone post his draft? I get the feeling he deleted lots o shit[/QUOTE]
here is what he sent me, it doesn't matter now the full release is out
This thread is moving at a pretty quick rate so this reply may seem out of place by the time I finish it. I hope you take the time to read this whole post, I took quite a long time typing it.
The first thing I'd like to address is I'm glad PacV2 is sharing his knowledge of the behind the scenes at Facepunch however I'm left to question it's validity. Accustations that there is some master plan by some mods is quite serious, and in my opinion very incorrect. [b]Nobody is top dog on the mod team[/b]. I don't see how some people think that's the case, from my view from posts in the mod forum and moderation interactions on the forum. The only person with authority above the rest is garry.
The mod recruits were chosen not by one mod but through discussion in the mod forum. Any moderator that had a problem with a candidate could of raised their concern. And to that, things aren't completely settled. Things can still change, these new mods are not irremovable. If they don't do a good job then garry and the mod team will take care of it.
Also, everyone should take a moment to think about who the main force behind these last fews hours of posts in this thread are by. Are they really the people who know best for this Forum? A free-for-all, anything goes style of posting? This isn't what Facepunch started as, but why are we going there now? We need to prevent that from happening and use common sense instead of doing what seems popular. Large groups of unruly posters causing a disturbance is not a way to get things solved.
[h2]Apolgies[/h2]
I do need to apologize for what I've done in my time here, because I've really done some dumb shit.
First of all I'd like to apologize to everyone in the GMF
After 9 minutes in development, hopefully it was worth the wait.
compwhizii plz step down. no apology is going to justify your administrative position on this website. You are petty and incompetent.
[QUOTE=compwhizii;28315398][b]I will not moderate at all for the next year with the exception of compromised moderators, advertising spam bots, or forum exploit attempts[/b]
If I do moderate, I will be stripped of administrative rights.[/QUOTE]
Good. Do you plan on transferring some or all of your coding duties to someone else? And why just a year? Why not forever?
Posting to say FunkyDisco's interview is accurate & me
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;28315313]at least he fucking realises it was dumb as fuck to file takedown requests on every image host we used to host images making fun of him and try to get out dropboxes shut down.[/QUOTE]
Wow, trying to get dropboxes taken down? How fucking pathetic can you get, just because you're in an authority role on a forum doesn't mean you have any other place to take your shit
[QUOTE=compwhizii;28315398]
[b]I will not moderate at all for the next year with the exception of compromised moderators, advertising spam bots, or forum exploit attempts[/b]
If I do moderate, I will be stripped of administrative rights.[/QUOTE]
:toxx: ?
To be honest, at least he's admitting that he's a dumbass and a total fucking tard when it comes to moderating the forums.
[editline].[/editline]
That better be a :toxx: clause
[QUOTE=TH89;28315423]Posting to say FunkyDisco's interview is accurate & me[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the interview, mate
[QUOTE=compwhizii;28315122]I'm posting what I have now, so I'll just continue building it as people address issues that come up afterward.
[release]This thread is moving at a pretty quick rate so this reply may seem out of place by the time I finish it. I hope you take the time to read this whole post, I took quite a long time typing it.
The first thing I'd like to address is I'm glad PacV2 is sharing his knowledge of the behind the scenes at Facepunch however I'm left to question it's validity. Accusations that there is some master plan by some mods is quite serious, and in my opinion very incorrect. [B]Nobody is top dog on the mod team[/B]. I don't see how some people think that's the case, from my view from posts in the mod forum and moderation interactions on the forum. The only person with authority above the rest is garry.
The mod recruits were chosen not by one mod but through discussion in the mod forum. Any moderator that had a problem with a candidate could of raised their concern. And to that, things aren't completely settled. Things can still change, these new mods are not irremovable. If they don't do a good job then garry and the mod team will take care of it.
[h2]Apologies[/h2]
I do need to apologize for what I've done in my time here, because I've really done some dumb shit.
First of all I'd like to apologize to everyone in the GMF for how that situation was handled. That was completely pathetic of me to go to those image hosts and file takedown notices for the images. I really wish I realized that only made things worse.
I'd also like to apologize for the instance of hard deleting posts in the GMF. Also a bad response to an already bad situation.
[h2]Q&A[/h2]
According to garry there was never an issue with me moderating, so if Hezzy had issue to with it he should have taken it up with garry. What really dissuaded me to do anything was the fallout in the forums after the fact. You guys throwing a shit about it just tired me, it just wasn't worth the fight afterwards. If you ever see an issue with a ban or action I make please feel free to make contact with me.
And no, I don't want to go on a date with you john.
I really don't know what's going to happen. They'll probably be one or two more to go mod wise, but otherwise we'll stay strong. If plug is pulled on the website there will spinoffs and derivatives for sure. If I'm still around I will definitely try to get content for sure.
Yes, I've silent banned people. For personal reasons? Not quite. I do agree that some of my bans have been ridiculous and wrong, but not personal. I'm not disobeying garry, as those aren't his wishes.[/release]
It's not what I wanted it to be but I'm growing tired.
[B]Posts I read and have replies prepared for will be rated heart[/B][/QUOTE]
comp
throughout all of the teasing you got in the gmf i refused to take part because i think the whole bandwagon hatin' on people is stupid, annoying, childish, obnoxious, and allover unnecessary. i formed no opinion of you based on all of that dumb shit, not even on the "contacting the sites' administrators!!" shit, simply because i'd never interacted with you on a personal basis so I decided to leave you be. but you've taken a considerable hit to whatever (little) reputation you had in my eyes from what pac has described of you, and this message takes essentially no attempt to dissuade people from disliking you. you said practically nothing in all of that, you've answered for little of what you're "accused"; you're answering in circles trying to dance your way around issues. I would first look towards the fact that it's late as shit for being the reason, but honestly, you know it isn't the case. that response is pretty much a complete confirmation of everything pac said about you.
i'm not going to start running around spewing hate at you, but i want you to know from a fairly objective person, that your response was terrible. the "apology" is fine, but should've been administered long ago to specific "important", trendsetting people like jimbomcb etc; gmf makes fun of people, it's what it does. should've manned up against that shit a long time ago.
as for everything else, gl. it sounds like a speech by some union head who's been backed into a corner by a horde of unruly workers demanding some info. a bunch of purple prose and unimportant shit.
good luck coding the forums; i honestly suggest (with a true heart) that you completely absolve yourself from everything else. don't moderate. don't try to make decisions. avoid interacting with the mod team (esp benji) unless it's a mere way of making amends. get the coding done to the best of your ability. and fucking ignore the teasing because it sure as shit isn't going to stop, you've become the best running joke this forum has had in years.
[QUOTE=The Jman Wik;28315412]compwhizii plz step down. no apology is going to justify your administrative position on this website. You are petty and incompetent.[/QUOTE]
He's being paid a lot of dosh to code for garry, he won't step down.
[QUOTE=:awesome:;28315437]:toxx: ?[/QUOTE]
Not exactly, I think garry is making him hold to it though
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;28315438]To be honest, at least he's admitting that he's a dumbass and a total fucking tard when it comes to moderating the forums.[/QUOTE]
Now he needs to take the next step and give up his privileges
[QUOTE=compwhizii;28315398]Some PMs,
Not really something I understand well enough to give an answer to at 2am (I could theorize but I really don't want to), very sorry.
Facepunch becomes bankrupt? Facepunch is a site run by Facepunch Studios, and I don't have control of what happens inside the company too much.
Maybe you could try and rephrase that question?
[b]I will not moderate at all for the next year with the exception of compromised moderators, advertising spam bots, or forum exploit attempts[/b]
If I do moderate, I will be stripped of administrative rights.[/QUOTE]
:toxx:
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