[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52336905]thats pretty sad dude[/QUOTE]
Frankly i'm amazed at the reactions im getting from you folks. I get the impression that nobody complaining has ever even played the kind of games im talking about though.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;52336917]Frankly i'm amazed at the reactions im getting from you folks. I get the impression that nobody complaining has ever even played the kind of games im talking about though.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe you do a shitty thing and this is the first time you've been called out on it.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;52336917]Frankly i'm amazed at the reactions im getting from you folks. I get the impression that nobody complaining has ever even played the kind of games im talking about though.[/QUOTE]
stream snipers in mobas are absolute knobends who just are trying to cheat an advantage by having view of the opponents map
i assume whatever ur playing is no different making you an absolute knobend
[editline]10th June 2017[/editline]
note: delay really doesnt work all the time in mobas because items like wards last for long periods of time unless u wanna ruin ur own stream by having a 6+ min delay
The only game I can think of where stream sniping isn't considered a shitty thing to do is Dark Souls, and even then the stream snipers just use it to know what areas to try invading in.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;52336929]The only game I can think of where stream sniping isn't considered a shitty thing to do is Dark Souls, and even then the stream snipers just use it to know what areas to try invading in.[/QUOTE]
fighting games i think arent so bad
i like to stream snipe users by dedicating hours of investigative work to figure out where they live, so I can sneak in at night and shit on their bed.
[QUOTE=KillRay;52336921]stream snipers in mobas are absolute knobends who just are trying to cheat an advantage by having view of the opponents map
i assume whatever ur playing is no different making you an absolute knobend
[editline]10th June 2017[/editline]
note: delay really doesnt work all the time in mobas because items like wards last for long periods of time unless u wanna ruin ur own stream by having a 6+ min delay[/QUOTE]
i don't play mobas. The type of games i play, the only place i've done this or paid any attention to stream sniping is open world PVP mmo style games, think EVE online style where there's a fully realized world with people roaming around doing things at will. I'll just quote myself.
[QUOTE] Stream sniping is when a broadcaster is displaying their location in a typically open world pvp game. Often they broadcast critical details like their location, or of a vital part of their base or strategy or something, this is in open world games where there is never a fair "okay guys line up five versus five lets have a clean fight". Information, diplomacy and communication is always vital in this kind of game, it's part of it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I didn't save the guy's stream(you'd think i would have if it was a pinnacle of anything) but there was an extremely self important guy in mortal online bragging about his combat ability, in full gear he went down into the main city's sewers. I went down after him naked with a sword, waited for him to get far enough in so that he couldnt escape, went and killed him because he didnt know how to properly play, and i took all his stuff. Queue a full hour of on stream complaining about how terrible a player i was, he still had my name displayed on his "KoS" list when i checked back two weeks later, it was a riot. This sort of thing suits my sense of humor, im quickly learning here that im alone though.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StoneRabbit;52336413][img]http://i.imgur.com/4R2hNnB.jpg[/img]
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:what:[/QUOTE]
Jesus, please tell me they're doing some sort of satire here.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;52336917]Frankly i'm amazed at the reactions im getting from you folks. I get the impression that nobody complaining has ever even played the kind of games im talking about though.[/QUOTE]
You were that one kid that screen watched when playing split-screen weren't you?
[QUOTE=madmanmad;52337075]You were that one kid that screen watched when playing split-screen weren't you?[/QUOTE]
Split screen does have a few key differences to streaming you know. First of all, you're playing with a friend so there's an element of mutual respect happening, and split screen is mandatory to playing that game with that friend in that place at that time. It would never be "their own fault" for losing due to a split screen look, specifically because its non-optional. Streaming on the other hand is completely optional and secondary to the game itself, and many streamers often have a shitty attitude worth messing with defeating any preconceived notions of mutual respect. When they die to a stream snipe it's something they bring upon themselves.
I have to ask though, you folks are talking about 5v5 moba matchmaking stream sniping. It would be a complete diceroll to get into a game with the same person whos stream your watching, so how exactly would this ever be a widespread problem? In the games im talking about, the moment you stream anyone can come get you exactly where you are, maybe thats coloring my perception of exactly how much fault is on the streamer. In those games the moment you stream you're already a deadman and can't be regarded as anything but very foolish, unless you do overcome the odds in which case that's awesome too.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;52337198]Split screen does have a few key differences to streaming you know. First of all, you're playing with a friend so there's an element of mutual respect happening, and split screen is mandatory to playing that game with that friend in that place at that time. It would never be "their own fault" for losing due to a split screen look, specifically because its non-optional. Streaming on the other hand is completely optional and secondary to the game itself, and many streamers often have a shitty attitude worth messing with defeating any preconceived notions of mutual respect. When they die to a stream snipe it's something they bring upon themselves.
I have to ask though, you folks are talking about 5v5 moba matchmaking stream sniping. It would be a complete diceroll to get into a game with the same person whos stream your watching, so how exactly would this ever be a widespread problem? In the games im talking about, the moment you stream anyone can come get you exactly where you are, maybe thats coloring my perception of exactly how much fault is on the streamer. In those games the moment you stream you're already a deadman and can't be regarded as anything but very foolish, unless you do overcome the odds in which case that's awesome too.[/QUOTE]
why are you this socially inept? madmanmad was making a joke and you go hit him with a two paragraph essay.
damn son, he made a joke, he wasn't expecting a point-by-point analysis of the pros and cons of playing split screen.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;52337198]Split screen does have a few key differences to streaming you know. First of all, you're playing with a friend so there's an element of mutual respect happening, and split screen is mandatory to playing that game with that friend in that place at that time. It would never be "their own fault" for losing due to a split screen look, specifically because its non-optional. Streaming on the other hand is completely optional and secondary to the game itself, and many streamers often have a shitty attitude worth messing with defeating any preconceived notions of mutual respect. When they die to a stream snipe it's something they bring upon themselves.
I have to ask though, you folks are talking about 5v5 moba matchmaking stream sniping. It would be a complete diceroll to get into a game with the same person whos stream your watching, so how exactly would this ever be a widespread problem? In the games im talking about, the moment you stream anyone can come get you exactly where you are, maybe thats coloring my perception of exactly how much fault is on the streamer. In those games the moment you stream you're already a deadman and can't be regarded as anything but very foolish, unless you do overcome the odds in which case that's awesome too.[/QUOTE]
good lord
[QUOTE=Mattk50;52336957]i don't play mobas. The type of games i play, the only place i've done this or paid any attention to stream sniping is open world PVP mmo style games, think EVE online style where there's a fully realized world with people roaming around doing things at will. I'll just quote myself.[/QUOTE]
I don't care what games ur playing it's the same shit in the end ur using out of game sources to gain an unfair advantage. That's cheating
[editline]10th June 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mattk50;52337198]
I have to ask though, you folks are talking about 5v5 moba matchmaking stream sniping. It would be a complete diceroll to get into a game with the same person whos stream your watching, so how exactly would this ever be a widespread problem? In the games im talking about, the moment you stream anyone can come get you exactly where you are, maybe thats coloring my perception of exactly how much fault is on the streamer. In those games the moment you stream you're already a deadman and can't be regarded as anything but very foolish, unless you do overcome the odds in which case that's awesome too.[/QUOTE]
1) I'm the only one talking about mobas 2) it's not as random in high level play with small player pools 3) you have no idea what ur talking about
[QUOTE=LuaChobo;52337312]im assuming you surround yourself with people that love the idea of stream sniping and partake in it[/QUOTE]
Actually don't know anyone personally who has stream sniped (or they havent mentioned it to me), i've never heard this "but stream sniping is evil" opinion from anyone other than streamers and their fanboys before now though.
[QUOTE=loopoo;52337333]why are you this socially inept? madmanmad was making a joke and you go hit him with a two paragraph essay.
damn son, he made a joke, he wasn't expecting a point-by-point analysis of the pros and cons of playing split screen.[/QUOTE]
Hey, now that's just downright rude man. However you want to interpret that shit is up to you, i can write silly paragraphs in response to silly jokes if i want to. The 2nd paragraph was a comment on the rest of the thread, since you know, there's about 30 carebears here shitposting at me.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;52337198]Split screen does have a few key differences to streaming you know. First of all, you're playing with a friend so there's an element of mutual respect happening, and split screen is mandatory to playing that game with that friend in that place at that time. It would never be "their own fault" for losing due to a split screen look, specifically because its non-optional. Streaming on the other hand is completely optional and secondary to the game itself, and many streamers often have a shitty attitude worth messing with defeating any preconceived notions of mutual respect. When they die to a stream snipe it's something they bring upon themselves.
I have to ask though, you folks are talking about 5v5 moba matchmaking stream sniping. It would be a complete diceroll to get into a game with the same person whos stream your watching, so how exactly would this ever be a widespread problem? In the games im talking about, the moment you stream anyone can come get you exactly where you are, maybe thats coloring my perception of exactly how much fault is on the streamer. In those games the moment you stream you're already a deadman and can't be regarded as anything but very foolish, unless you do overcome the odds in which case that's awesome too.[/QUOTE]
you aren't getting the big picture my dude
stream sniping is for assholes and you are only digging your own grave deeper every time you post. but if thats what you want to do then dont be surprised when more people keep roasting you
even with cheats, she's still shit
that's just sad
I don't get why people are giving the Stream sniping guy so much shit. I don't do it myself, but by streaming you are opening yourself to it. Especially the people who put their stream in there Steam name. Streamers don't give a fuck about fun, they just want views and possibly money.
[QUOTE=KillRay;52337479]I don't care what games ur playing it's the same shit in the end ur using out of game sources to gain an unfair advantage. That's cheating
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You're going to have to be more specific about "out of game sources" If you actually read my post instead of just parroting the same stuff at me over and over you'd you know, see that i pointed out there are a lot of out of game sources people consider valid, streams are just one of them. I don't want to keep replying to the same points over and over again if you're just going to repeat "but its cheating". it stops being a discussion, so thats it for me until you go back, read, and post properly.
[QUOTE=sourcegamer101;52337510]you aren't getting the big picture my dude
stream sniping is for assholes and you are only digging your own grave deeper every time you post. but if thats what you want to do then dont be surprised when more people keep roasting you[/QUOTE]
There isnt a single decent argument in this thread on this. From my perspective, yeah there's a lot more of you guys but i've presented my point properly and just been met with "but its cheating!!!111one11".
The people in here 1. don't play the same types of video games 2. think any and all metagaming is cheating. That going out of game and talking to people about where you've commonly seen enemies would be cheating, that befriending and turning someone in an enemy group would be cheating, that decent group management and mapmaking would be cheating, in the face of all the involved metagamey things when you play eve or any sandbox pvp game that nobody here *gets*, some guy just posts a public livestream of himself with his exact location. Infosec is literally part of these games, bad policies like streaming your location are going to get rightfully punished by the community, and that should never change. Nor will it, it simply isnt practical when everyone in the entire game's community can snipe you at will... its not like a moba where you need to get lucky.
Like, again, you're playing gmod darkrp, some guy posts about his 100 money printers in his house on OOC chat. Is it not his fault when he gets immediately raided? Is it cheating because it's out of character and therefore out of game? Or is it just stupidity. Unless i get a real reply your right, best this trainwreck doesnt continue.
[QUOTE=Asaratha;52337581]shit example, the guy who posted about his money printers in chat posted it IN-GAME, not out of game. if you stood up, walked around the table, and looked at somebodys hand of cards while playing fuckin magic the gathering thats cheating, same with stream sniping, quit the mental gymnastics
why doesnt the guy im playing mtg against just put a wash cloth over his hand lol??? he's asking for it[/QUOTE]
In eve online there's an ingame web browser you could use to watch streams on. If thats how we're organizing in-game, as literally inside the client...
If you'd like, take two seconds to mentally relocate that to the gmod forums here on FP. Guy goes here and posts about printers in a server your in and somehow you notice. There's no gymnastics both are very clearly defined by "guy making gameplay information public". You dont specifically tell everyone else in the room your cards.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;52337600]In eve online there's an ingame web browser you could use to watch streams on. If thats how we're organizing in-game, as literally inside the client...
If you'd like, take two seconds to mentally relocate that to the gmod forums here on FP. Guy goes here and posts about printers in a server your in and somehow you notice. There's no gymnastics both are very clearly defined by "guy making gameplay information public". You dont specifically tell everyone else in the room your cards.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit dude you're really reaching at this point
[QUOTE=Mattk50;52337574]You're going to have to be more specific about "out of game sources" If you actually read my post instead of just parroting the same stuff at me over and over you'd you know, see that i pointed out there are a lot of out of game sources people consider valid, streams are just one of them. I don't want to keep replying to the same points over and over again if you're just going to repeat "but its cheating". it stops being a discussion, so thats it for me until you go back, read, and post properly.
There isnt a single decent argument in this thread on this. From my perspective, yeah there's a lot more of you guys but i've presented my point properly and just been met with "but its cheating!!!111one11".
The people in here 1. don't play the same types of video games 2. think any and all metagaming is cheating. That going out of game and talking to people about where you've commonly seen enemies would be cheating, that befriending and turning someone in an enemy group would be cheating, that decent group management and mapmaking would be cheating, in the face of all the involved metagamey things when you play eve or any sandbox pvp game that nobody here *gets*, some guy just posts a public livestream of himself with his exact location. Infosec is literally part of these games, bad policies like streaming your location are going to get rightfully punished by the community, and that should never change. Nor will it, it simply isnt practical when everyone in the entire game's community can snipe you at will... its not like a moba where you need to get lucky.
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You're comparing too many different things here. calling out an enemy position where they typically play is having knowledge and experience. having a friend on the other team and getting them to lose or call positions is throwing. also if you seriously think the only reason people think stream sniping is douchey is because they don't understand it then you're delusional. you've obviously already spent too much time trying to justify this to yourself so I doubt you're going to admit it's shitty. Maybe if you've presented your point clearly and everyone still thinks it's douchey it's douchey????
[QUOTE=matt000024;52337560]Streamers don't give a fuck about fun, they just want views and possibly money.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck? Have you ever watched a streamer in your life? They hate being stream sniped. Watch Mario Kart 8 deluxe streams and hear about people getting specifically targeted by stream snipers during every race.
How about that girl that hacked in the video, was a good time that
[QUOTE=Keychain;52337620]What the fuck? Have you ever watched a streamer in your life? They hate being stream sniped. Watch Mario Kart 8 deluxe streams and hear about people getting specifically targeted by stream snipers during every race.[/QUOTE]
People don't like losing in anything? Who would've guessed. Also the "but it's out of game" excuse is stupid as fuck. By that same logic players shouldn't be able to check a game's wiki to figure out how to get an item because it is "out of the game." This is nowhere near to screenwatching in a splitscreen game. This isn't able to be viewed from technological necessity, but these people are volunteering and encouraging people to watch them. If this doesn't benefit them gameplay-wise it is their fault.
This has devolved to nothing but name calling at this point, and it's already been that for some time. People just feel safer about it when its a bunch of people yelling at one. We've reached a basic disagreement of what counts as in-game, because some people simply don't understand that in large sandbox games, the game extends way past the client. To me as long as you arent doing anything illegal, breaking the game's EULA, or modifying the client itself with an aimbot or similar it cant be called cheating. Watching a stream... it's a joke as far as cheating goes.
I only consider you guys naive. You won't find a single reasonably sized group in any of the games i'm talking about that wouldn't check up on a livestream of one of their enemies if they were silly enough to do so, at this point your beef is with the entire eve online community and other similar sandbox games. Infosec is what those games are about, people who refuse to adapt to that are the carebears of legend. So, done.
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[QUOTE=Asaratha;52337673]yes, because a wiki to get information is the same as getting information about a players game state and using it to your advantage. epic logic, bro[/QUOTE]
Both are equally publicly available.
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wikipedia grants information you can find out on your own, stream sniping grants information you should have no access to that tilts the game in your favour unfairly[/QUOTE]
Why should you have no access? Half these streamers encourage people in-game to check their stream with names like "TWITCH-Dick69-DONATE$5" and shit like that. Why would you name yourself something encouraging people to view you if you don't expect them to use it. Also game wikis do tilt the game in your favor too, that doesn't mean you (and most people) don't use them.
[QUOTE=matt000024;52337694]Why should you have no access? Half these streamers encourage people in-game to check their stream with names like "TWITCH-Dick69-DONATE$5" and shit like that. Why would you name yourself something encouraging people to view you if you don't expect them to use it. Also game wikis do tilt the game in your favor too, that doesn't mean you (and most people) don't use them.[/QUOTE]
Does it really matter if you think they're encouraging it or not? People who stream and the like are generally considered to be 'Approachable' and 'accessible', and that's the appeal, you're literally saying that shouldn't be the case, and that if you did do that whatever happens to ruin your time/fun in a game is justified because you bring it upon yourself? how does that make any sense?
Just because they put their handles there doesn't mean it's an invitation to fuck with them. If I sit outside with my wallet in my lap, is that an invitation for you to steal it? It's just right there, in the open, almost like it's for the taking
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;52336460]This is kind of a related side tangent, am i the only one who thinks it's stupid as fuck when people have like, group names and such? I'm all for giving your followers a cutesy name once you're big enough or if it relates specifically to some of the games you play, for example Angry Joe's Army is usually along the lines of what he names his clans iirc. But i always get annoyed when people do shit like "The Dumpling Empire," or "the Wolf Pack." I like some of Lobos Jr's runs but i've had to flat out stop watching some because of the show he puts on whenever someone subs to him.
Might be putting too much thought into it but it's similar to me like when Youtube channels have really long, overblown intros and the first line they say is "SUP GUYS IT'S YA BOI X BACK AT IT AGAIN"[/QUOTE]
The wolf pack
Oh that jab :v:
Kinda stopped watching her aswell because of it, and well, pretty boring content and slight lack of thought process apparently...
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52337727]Does it really matter if you think they're encouraging it or not? People who stream and the like are generally considered to be 'Approachable' and 'accessible', and that's the appeal, you're literally saying that shouldn't be the case, and that if you did do that whatever happens to ruin your time/fun in a game is justified because you bring it upon yourself? how does that make any sense?
Just because they put their handles there doesn't mean it's an invitation to fuck with them. If I sit outside with my wallet in my lap, is that an invitation for you to steal it? It's just right there, in the open, almost like it's for the taking[/QUOTE]
How is that even close to a valid comparison?
[editline]10th June 2017[/editline]
Here's a closer comparison: a football coach telling his every move over Twitter during the Superbowl.
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