The only positive thing I got out of watching this was that the related videos led me to a sneak peak at another new show that looks hilarious :v:
[video=youtube;NJ7-PjlD2_M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ7-PjlD2_M[/video]
All of you are complaining about that guy but my issue is that's not how plane engine failures happen??????
welp marvel can pack their bags daredevil can't hope to ever compete with this...
Why does it feel like whenever there's a Superman related thing there has to be a crashing plane?
[QUOTE=bdd458;47726666]All of you are complaining about that guy but my issue is that's not how plane engine failures happen??????[/QUOTE]
Pretty amazing that two happened almost simultaneously on opposite sides as well.
All in all this show looks fucking terrible. "Who's the mystery flying woman??" What? What kind of line is that, it's terrifyingly bad. How does she know what blanket he wore, and why does it matter to her at all? How does her suit not shred from bullets when it presumably made from totally earthly materials. Like I mean this is just super lazy, especially with the "she got turned down by the special unit for some reason".
[QUOTE=SuperHoboMan;47726656]The only positive thing I got out of watching this was that the related videos led me to a sneak peak at another new show that looks hilarious :v:
[video=youtube;NJ7-PjlD2_M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ7-PjlD2_M[/video][/QUOTE]
Doesn't look half bad.
I like Jane Lynch
[QUOTE=Maloof?;47721238]'Let's not diversify our characters and give minorities a fair amount of good exposure just because some guy on the internet might accuse us of being too politically correct'
The entire comic book genre is practically defined by the fact that characters come and go and are born and reborn again and again, sometimes the same, sometimes different. Alternate universes, ultimate universes, etc, etc. I think it's rad that they're recasting this character as a black dude.[/QUOTE]
sure it's good they're doing that arbitrarily without reason.
What if we changed a black character white? It's the SAME thing, but you're not going to support that, I know that already.
That's the kind of nonsense that's getting under peoples skin these days.
[editline]16th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=CatFodder;47722051]HMM maybe the actor gave the best audition? Maybe there's nothing more to it than that?[/QUOTE]
So if a white guy was the best at the audition for a black character, would you cast that guy?
Serious question.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47736909]
So if a white guy was the best at the audition for a black character, would you cast that guy?
Serious question.[/QUOTE]The character in question's race does not matter. If you are auditioning for a black slave, of course you'll get a black man. If you're auditioning for a generic character then any race will do.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47736987]The character in question's race does not matter. If you are auditioning for a black slave, of course you'll get a black man. If you're auditioning for a generic character then any race will do.[/QUOTE]
If the character of say, Falcon, a historically black character(but not one defined by his race) was suddenly white, would that be okay?
Stretch that to any character who is a different race, but isn't defined by that(basically, well written characters), yes, I think it's fine that they switch race or what have you, but that is definitely a one way street. I'm just trying to point that hypocrisy out.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47737047]If the character of say, Falcon, a historically black character(but not one defined by his race) was suddenly white, would that be okay?[/QUOTE]
To me, yes. I don't see a problem with that.
The script has absolutely no subtlety, I understand that they need to introduce the characters but it would be nice if every sentence wasn't so painstakingly cringeworthy.
[QUOTE=Noss;47739194]The script has absolutely no subtlety, I understand that they need to introduce the characters but it would be nice if every sentence wasn't so painstakingly cringeworthy.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if the show is sexist because they decided to target women and because of that dumbed down the script. Would be really funny if that was the case.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47736909]So if a white guy was the best at the audition for a black character, would you cast that guy?
Serious question.[/QUOTE]
keep in mind though that [URL="http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/top-five-filmmaker-chris-rock-753223"]hollywood is pretty selective on who they hire[/URL] so unfortunately that's always gonna look a bit suspect at best, regardless of whether or not the character was actually changed for good reasons
This looks like a high(er) budget indie web series, like Rocket Jump stuff, not something you'd see on TV.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47737047]If the character of say, Falcon, a historically black character(but not one defined by his race) was suddenly white, would that be okay?
Stretch that to any character who is a different race, but isn't defined by that(basically, well written characters), yes, I think it's fine that they switch race or what have you, but that is definitely a one way street. I'm just trying to point that hypocrisy out.[/QUOTE]
Race can be a big factor of a character's life and persona without necessarily defining them. Think Walter Jr. in Breaking Bad. He has cerebral palsy and it matters when it comes to understanding him as a character, but it's not the only thing they ever care about. Most traditional white guy characters are pretty plain so you can switch them out into any race since race is never usually a big enough factor of the character. Characters of other races, however, are usually made a different race for some kind of reason, while white characters have the privilege of their race never really being a topic that's ever brought up. It's necessary to acknowledge these things in characters. If they made a black Captain America it simply wouldn't be the same Captain America, since Steve Rogers' Aryan features have always been a major aspect of his image as the mid-century ideal of an American hero.
Basically, non-white characters seem to always need some kind of reason or excuse to not be white, as if white is the default race. That usually means that changing a non-white character to white would be an attempt at erasing whatever cultural backgrounds are associated traditionally with the character.
(this is a 2am post so it's not the most cohesive thing in the world but you get my point)
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;47740888]Race can be a big factor of a character's life and persona without necessarily defining them. Think Walter Jr. in Breaking Bad. He has cerebral palsy and it matters when it comes to understanding him as a character, but it's not the only thing they ever care about. Most traditional white guy characters are pretty plain so you can switch them out into any race since race is never usually a big enough factor of the character. Characters of other races, however, are usually made a different race for some kind of reason, while white characters have the privilege of their race never really being a topic that's ever brought up. It's necessary to acknowledge these things in characters. If they made a black Captain America it simply wouldn't be the same Captain America, since Steve Rogers' Aryan features have always been a major aspect of his image as the mid-century ideal of an American hero.
Basically, non-white characters seem to always need some kind of reason or excuse to not be white, as if white is the default race. That usually means that changing a non-white character to white would be an attempt at erasing whatever cultural backgrounds are associated traditionally with the character.
(this is a 2am post so it's not the most cohesive thing in the world but you get my point)[/QUOTE]
That doesn't seem like a great defense to me as it seems like you're more or less saying that bad writing is excused by the use of stereotypes to "fill" out character roles in, again, stereotypical manners. That's bad writing. I have trouble believing either of us thinks that's good writing, it's clearly bad, right? So why are we justifiying it on a one way street? Captain America IS black right now, sure, it's just a guy taking up the mantle, but he IS black. That's okay. But you literally can't do it the other way.
I'm not saying anything other than "Hey, that's clear and obvious hypocrisy that you're okay with". It's racism, but it's completely acceptable racism. Now, I get the point that white people can be knocked down a few pegs any time it comes up, but this seems ridiculous to me. Is it wrong that I see the hypocrisy and want to at least see the people who follow this line of thinking confront their own hypocrisy?
Can't we just have good writing that doesn't rely on us saying some stereotypes are acceptable when we deem it arbitrarily?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47741705]That doesn't seem like a great defense to me as it seems like you're more or less saying that bad writing is excused by the use of stereotypes to "fill" out character roles in, again, stereotypical manners. That's bad writing. I have trouble believing either of us thinks that's good writing, it's clearly bad, right? So why are we justifiying it on a one way street? Captain America IS black right now, sure, it's just a guy taking up the mantle, but he IS black. That's okay. But you literally can't do it the other way.
I'm not saying anything other than "Hey, that's clear and obvious hypocrisy that you're okay with". It's racism, but it's completely acceptable racism. Now, I get the point that white people can be knocked down a few pegs any time it comes up, but this seems ridiculous to me. Is it wrong that I see the hypocrisy and want to at least see the people who follow this line of thinking confront their own hypocrisy?
Can't we just have good writing that doesn't rely on us saying some stereotypes are acceptable when we deem it arbitrarily?[/QUOTE]
but that's a false equivalency because hollywood isn't colorblind to begin with. if the situation were exactly the same for people of all races working there then that would be hypocritical, but if the situation is different for each race then by definition it isn't hypocrisy to take that into account. it is technically discrimination if you divorce the term of anything pejorative, sure, but that statement doesn't actually mean anything if you're just saying it to split hairs.
[QUOTE=Rich209;47726146]Why is she wearing a skirt? Isn't she afraid of panty shots?[/QUOTE]
I think you just predicted the plot twist in the season finale.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47741705]That doesn't seem like a great defense to me as it seems like you're more or less saying that bad writing is excused by the use of stereotypes to "fill" out character roles in, again, stereotypical manners. That's bad writing. I have trouble believing either of us thinks that's good writing, it's clearly bad, right? So why are we justifiying it on a one way street? Captain America IS black right now, sure, it's just a guy taking up the mantle, but he IS black. That's okay. But you literally can't do it the other way.
I'm not saying anything other than "Hey, that's clear and obvious hypocrisy that you're okay with". It's racism, but it's completely acceptable racism. Now, I get the point that white people can be knocked down a few pegs any time it comes up, but this seems ridiculous to me. Is it wrong that I see the hypocrisy and want to at least see the people who follow this line of thinking confront their own hypocrisy?
Can't we just have good writing that doesn't rely on us saying some stereotypes are acceptable when we deem it arbitrarily?[/QUOTE]
I had some trouble understanding all this rhetoric about stereotypes but I think I could figure out the general idea you had, so here goes.
It sounds like you want to believe that we live in an ideal world wherein racial equality is nonexistent.
Bad writing is bad writing. But it would be silly to believe that characters whose race is important to their background is "bad writing". It's realistic. I wish we lived in a society where someone's racial background made no difference, but we're not there yet.
Take Black Panther as an extreme example. He's a hero whose background is explicitly African, and it's a vital characteristic of the character himself but not necessarily something that comes up all the time in everything he does, although it does have influence. If you were to cast a white actor to play him it wouldn't make any sense, since you'd have to change his origin from being in an African tribe. These kinds of backgrounds are typical in characters of color, since they need a reason to not be white. White characters usually have no discernible background making their whiteness matter, so changing them to another race really doesn't make any difference whatsoever. Characters like Black Panther represent a problem in the industry, that characters of color [I]need[/I] stereotypical backstories. They're putting a black actor in a formerly white role to add diversity to television. They [I]are[/I] making unique black characters, but they don't have TV shows dedicated to them since they're not well-known. They're adding diversity to the show and to the Superman franchise since it was created in a time that severely lacked diversity. Every classic Superman character was white, and that doesn't fly anymore, so they're changing a considerably minor character's race because black people want to be represented in mainstream media and have someone to look up to. They also changed him from being a laughable, clumsy character to an admirable, cool one partly because that's how press photographers at fashion firms are, they're hip and trendy dudes. It's a small step, but it's in the right direction.
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