Forums Discussion v3 - Post about Tudd and win a 1 month ban
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[QUOTE=Pascall;52617849]If people really want to be a dick to you, they're gonna find a way to do it, whether or not they can buy a title.[/QUOTE]
I think the point is more if someone were to go around calling you a dickhead on every one of your posts, they'd get banned pretty quick. But buying someone a fuckoff big title about how much you love jerking off to horses was perfectly cool.
If that's actually going to change and titles would be moderated then sweet, I don't think anyone's gonna have an issue with it, but people don't exactly have high hopes when the mods start talking about making themselves immune to it :v:
[QUOTE=kaze4159;52617881]I think the point is more if someone were to go around calling you a dickhead on every one of your posts, they'd get banned pretty quick. But buying someone a fuckoff big title about how much you love jerking off to horses was perfectly cool.
If that's actually going to change and titles would be moderated then sweet, I don't think anyone's gonna have an issue with it, but people don't exactly have high hopes when the mods start talking about making themselves immune to it :v:[/QUOTE]
I mean you could always... pay to change it back.
:pyramid:
I can't pretend like I'd know how the system would work since it obviously wouldn't be a mimic of boostar, but if someone bought a legitimately fucked up title, there's no question that it'd be rejected or removed.
But that's for worst case scenarios like personal info/doxxing, racist or bigoted hate speech, etc. Not because someone bought you a title that says you like to jerk it to horses lol.
[QUOTE=Pascall;52617872]If someone wants to poke fun at me by giving me a goofy title, by all means. If it really bothers me, I'll just use the opportunity to donate some money and change it to something else. Or maybe ask some pals if they're willing to change it for me. It all goes to a good cause. So it's whatever.[/QUOTE]
Cool, that's you. I mean you're excluded by default anyway, but if someone doesnt want to be in on this big joke?
[QUOTE]If you're really bothered by titles being changeable, as they have been for a good while, either by other users or by mods, then you're gonna have a rough time continuing to function properly on this forum. And that's not me being mean, that's me saying that this forum has never been a bastion of good vibes and singalongs. Sometimes people get silly and rude and make mean jokes. I feel like if you're not prepared to handle that, you're not gonna be happy here. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, I mean it's one thing to say "Oh they're innocent jokes lol"
Except the person receiving them might not want to be in on the joke. Except they have no choice unless they want to pay to change it again.
[QUOTE]On that note though, if someone is harassing you, we always take that seriously. I don't know why there would even be an impression that we don't.
There's a difference between jokes and harassment.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=284809[/url]
I wonder who approved this, oh it was Hezzy because someone disagreed with him. How isnt this harassment?
[editline]27th August 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=kaze4159;52617881]If that's actually going to change and titles would be moderated then sweet, I don't think anyone's gonna have an issue with it, but people don't exactly have high hopes when the mods start talking about making themselves immune to it :v:[/QUOTE]
I cant see any reason to not trust the mods to be impar-
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52617860]And to be frank if it was to happen we got all the reason now.[/QUOTE]
oh okay
Tomo you really need to learn to take a joke ngl
[QUOTE=aussiedropbear;52617902]Tomo you really need to learn to take a joke ngl[/QUOTE]
Sorry mang I thought jokes were funny. My mistake
come on tomo dont you have like bigger things to worry about irl
I'm on my phone and like half asleep so all I can really say is that I'm not Hezzy so I can't tell you why he does anything he does! But no I don't really see that title as harassment, especially considering there's not even any context to it. I just assume he made a dumb post at some point probably. Wickedplayer and Agentfaze's titles come to mind too. But that's just kind of a thing that happens. We generally define harassment as repeated verbal/typed??? abuse either on or off the forum which involves some kind of flaming, probably.
I don't know, dude, I can't grant you or anyone else the ability to be impervious to jokes on the internet, but if we got rid of everything that had the potential to be abused, we wouldn't have any titles or any avatars at all. I agree that title changes should be moderated, but your issue doesn't lay with that so much as your obvious distaste for the mods in general.
And I can't really change that. I'm sorry you feel the way you feel, but title changes were pretty successful in the past and if they get implemented, then they get implemented.
I don't think mods should be exempt either tho, there's no fun in that.
I don't think anybody would be judged for having an insulting title. Even if the joke is considered something you'd hear in middle-school.
[QUOTE=Pascall;52617918] don't know, dude, I can't grant you or anyone else the ability to be impervious to jokes on the internet, but if we got rid of everything that had the potential to be abused, we wouldn't have any titles or any avatars at all. I agree that title changes should be moderated, but your issue doesn't lay with that so much as your obvious distaste for the mods in general.[/QUOTE]
I wouldnt want the ability to be impervious to jokes, i dunno where this "lol take it easy"
thing is coming from but I like fun jokes.
But this is just seriously open to abuse. And the people who would be moderating it are ones being criticized in this thread for acting childishly. I think there is pretty decent reason to think it won't be handled properly.
[QUOTE]And I can't really change that. I'm sorry you feel the way you feel, but title changes were pretty successful in the past and if they get implemented, then they get implemented. [/QUOTE]
Title changes were pretty cool until they started being used to shit on people.
[QUOTE]I don't think mods should be exempt either tho, there's no fun in that.[/QUOTE]
If mods are exempt I dont see why people shouldnt be able to choose. Some people here are cool with it, others arent.
I mean this is a discussion about the forums thread. Should be able to voice I think it's a godawful idea without people having a fit over it. I dont mind the idea of paying for some funky stuff, but changing things on other people is just so dumb. Why cant you pay for some other cool stuff for yourself, and I believe it goes to charities too.
I dont know what other stuff, but that's the point of discussing it.
[QUOTE=aussiedropbear;52617902]Tomo you really need to learn to take a joke ngl[/QUOTE]
It'd really help if when someone brings up a good point the mods didn't respond with complete dismissal at best or sarcasm and general dickishness at worst. It's not really conducive to actually discussing things and when that's almost all we tend to see from the mods it doesn't paint a very good picture of them when we're supposed to be putting our faith in them. Sure, Tomo's getting a bit too worked up here. But it's not difficult to see that the point he's bringing up is a totally valid concern that, as of now, hasn't really been addressed to any worthwhile degree by anyone other than Pascall who has mostly just said that she doesn't disagree but that things aren't really planned out yet.
[QUOTE=Pascall;52617918]I'm on my phone and like half asleep so all I can really say is that I'm not Hezzy so I can't tell you why he does anything he does! But no I don't really see that title as harassment, especially considering there's not even any context to it. I just assume he made a dumb post at some point probably. Wickedplayer and Agentfaze's titles come to mind too. But that's just kind of a thing that happens. We generally define harassment as repeated verbal/typed??? abuse either on or off the forum which involves some kind of flaming, probably.[/QUOTE]
Assuming my title is the one still being discussed here, I got it because I dared to voice my opinion that the April Fool's thing involving Tudd wasn't very funny and didn't back down when the mods wanted to shut down discussion of the subject. So postal and Hezzy decided to try and shame me over it.
I actually don't even particularly care about the title myself other than the fact I liked my previous title and that it seems very hypocritical to be given a title for the reason I did when Hezzy's always going on about not wanting to stifle unpopular opinions.
[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;52617943]I wouldnt want the ability to be impervious to jokes, i dunno where this "lol take it easy"
thing is coming from but I like fun jokes.
But this is just seriously open to abuse. And the people who would be moderating it are ones being criticized in this thread for acting childishly. I think there is pretty decent reason to think it won't be handled properly.
Title changes were pretty cool until they started being used to shit on people.
If mods are exempt I dont see why people shouldnt be able to choose. Some people here are cool with it, others arent.
I mean this is a discussion about the forums thread. Should be able to voice I think it's a godawful idea without people having a fit over it. I dont mind the idea of paying for some funky stuff, but changing things on other people is just so dumb. Why cant you pay for some other cool stuff for yourself, and I believe it goes to charities too.
I dont know what other stuff, but that's the point of discussing it.[/QUOTE]
You can voice what you want, but I think people are trying to say it feels like you're getting really worked up over something that's ultimately very insignificant. I'm not trying to be mean, but I feel like you should take a breather and just not worry so much about this. :frown:
[QUOTE=kariko;52617968]You can voice what you want, but I think people are trying to say it feels like you're getting really worked up over something that's ultimately very insignificant. I'm not trying to be mean, but I feel like you should take a breather and just not worry so much about this. :frown:[/QUOTE]
I'm irritated it can so easily be solved by something like the 'I dont want PMs' thing.
Tick a box, then people can't mess around with your avatar or title. If you want that, cool, if you dont, then you can choose not to.
But apparently you have to want it or you hate fun or something? There's some serious flaws in it, I brought them up and was ridiculed for hating fun or some nonsense. As well as that the only mod to give a reply that wasnt dumb shit was pascall. Otherwise it was mockery all around.
There's pretty good reason to think it wont be taken seriously.
For a moment I thought UncleJimmema was Tudd due to the avatar until I read a post of him calling Trump an idiot, heh.
being a mod isn't a job. it's a full-time career as class traitor. if they didn't like the idea of busting skulls and playing babysitter for posters they wouldn't have signed on as a moderator.
[QUOTE=Streecer;52618021]being a mod isn't a job. it's a full-time career as class traitor. if they didn't like the idea of busting skulls and playing babysitter for posters they wouldn't have signed on as a moderator.[/QUOTE]
yawmwen lives on long after he was gone
molotovs can't melt riot police
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;52618034]Just up the dosage of molotovs till you build up resistance.[/QUOTE]
Who will be our Gordon Freeman?
[QUOTE=Duck M.;52617633]I feel two ways about this situation
On one hand y'all take this forum way too seriously, it's crazy how bent out of shape you guys get over the same dramas over and over again, at least get mad over something new for a change
On the other I think that the mods honestly act a bit childish to a point where it's unbecoming. It comes across as petty and juvenile in the worst possible way. I know fp has never been a place of professionalism and I don't expect that, but it feels like the mods can be some of the worse shitposters on the site from time to time which really isn't a good look[/QUOTE]
This post pretty much sums up what I feel right now. The circle of mods and users egging each other on has become so dull, petty and childish I'll probably be sent into a coma if I have to see this again.
It's really shitty on everyone's part this here. Can we all grow up and move on?
GRoW UP
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lmao yall taking this way too seriously
lmao yall taking this way too seriously
lmao yall taking this way too seriously
lmao yall taking this way too seriously
lmao yall taking this way too seriously
Hi, I'm a bit of a no face here but I'm friends with both mods and users here completely irrespective of facepunch itself. I've also been entrusted admin powers on other places so I've got personal experience on moderation.
Simply put, moderators should be exemplary users. You don't need to have a stick up your ass about everything 24/7. You just need to be the sort of user that people go "golly gee, I'm glad they're a mod." Being self critical is hard but it's the best way to go about being the best moderator you intend to be and to uphold the values you consider to be the most important.
But probably the most important thing to ask yourself "Should I, as a normal user, be banned for this post or action?" If the answer is yes or unsure, probably best not to do it as a mod.
There is a clear schism about how the moderators and the users feel on the issue based on this thread. I'm glad you have someone like helifreak who offered a personal opt in solution to the problem, but that's not the issue on whole. To anyone who considers this petty, you're missing out the bigger picture here. There are users who are displeased by moderator behaviour to criticism where they feel there is some validity. It's not an argument about how huge your pixels can be on the screen, it's about how entrusted users should be conducting themselves.
Personally, I dislike larger avatars since I feel it feeds into narcissism. An honorary title to let people know who are you in terms of moderation access is sufficient and personally, makes me feel less out of touch with regular users.
For the sake of your own community and my own friends here, I hope people come to understand that there is issues between how users feel like moderators are power tripping and that moderators do their best to minimize those concerns by behaving as in ways people think they should.
I'd also like to reinforce that I personally, have powertripped as mod. It happens to the BEST of people. Best you can do a person is reflect and improve.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;52617735]The story of Alice3173's current title is a really good example of mods being petty, actually.
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Mod sass" - Hezzy))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
I don't see the mod sass here.
Am I right in believing in that Hezzy is the one who started the Alice3173 thing?
Because an admin banning someone for something he was [I]personally involved[/I] in cannot be done impartially. This is moderation 101, something I tell every new trialadmin I've taught.
If this is what you can consider acceptable moderation, then consider me shocked.
To try and move focus of this multiple-page-shitfest, do we have an ETA on when we can expect the donation system to start?
[QUOTE=McBawbaggings;52618165]Am I right in believing in that Hezzy is the one who started the Alice3173 thing?
Because an admin banning someone for something he was [I]personally involved[/I] in cannot be done impartially. This is moderation 101, something I tell every new trialadmin I've taught.
If this is what you can consider acceptable moderation, then consider me shocked.[/QUOTE]
I only granted the title, I don't remember who asked me to do it
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