• Forums Discussion v3 - Post about Tudd and win a 1 month ban
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[QUOTE=Zotobom;52834342]The whole 'im a mod lol imagine caring about things' schtick has gone on for too long and is just extremely annoying right now. You can't have a topic for discussing forum issues but then respond with how little you care and how cool you are when people bring up a valid point. A normal user doing it would be an ass but a moderator is just haha those wacky mods back at it again!![/QUOTE] It'd be embarrassing to be a tryhard mod if you do it /for free/ :thinking:
anytime someone goes "wow you guys care about this? how dumb" or whatever i always think of this awful fucking image [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/T4voHTj.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Asaratha;52833816]guess it's time to reference my old post once more here are a few examples of this dismissive behaviour within the last 5 pages for those curious. as i said before this retarded attitude has been around for years, and back then, had no attempt at fixing up. i dont know whats going on behind the scenes now, but my first post was almost 3 months ago now and i still see this from people like unclejimmema on the regular. it's really easy to feel above it all when every response to criticism presented is "haha i dont care why do u guys care? that's so weird"[/QUOTE] Part of the reason we respond there way we do it's because a lot of us have been here for years, some over a decade. Many of the issues that are brought up are indeed things that have been brought up before, and have been handled in the past. Things like anime avatars and what's kosher in regards to lewdness were settled, and it's those who either were not present or not apart of the forum at the time who dont understand. Now granted the forum is constantly growing in changing, things that were fine a year ago are now bannable and vice versa. But a lot of people seem to neglect the big picture. As I've said, many of us have been here for years. We've seen all the bs, we've watched the drama, we've had our fair share of odd users come and go. In the end the forum keeps chugging, and I honestly think some people take it way too seriously. So I apologise if I come off an unapologetic or even like an asshole sometimes, but like Pascal said I've got a life outside of the forum. I volunteer my personal time to do this, but I have real world obligations that take precedence. And to see people constantly bickering about what avatars are ok and which member should be banned for such and such or whatever have you every single day month after month, it gets pretty old.
If you don't care, then [I]don't get involved.[/I] If your real life is so important that you can't be fussed with [B]petty forum politics,[/B] then don't get involved in them. Stopping by just to say, "lol I don't care," is again, hypocritical, pointless and only serves to upset and annoy the people who do actually care. Playing the, "I've got a real life," card, or the, "Hah, I've seen this before," route, is at best counter-productive, and at worst intentional trolling, no matter how nicely you dress it up when you ultimately trot around to apologizing.
Idk. I honestly can appreciate the casual attitude this thread and the mods have from time to time, but I think that there needs to be more discretion used on whether or not that tone is appropriate for the situation at hand. If people have serious concerns about something, being dismissive will never be something that people take kindly to if they want to be taken seriously. It just isn't productive. If you guys are seriously discussing considering things in the mod chat, just say so. As far as the avatar situation goes, I think we should just keep things safe for work. Not in terms of porn/not porn, but actually in terms of whether or not that avatar is something that's sensible to have displayed in public. It's also really silly to be reductionist and dismissive with the whole "they're just images" excuse. You could reduce anything to their simplest classifications to dismiss it. Reminds me of when people say "they're just words!" when they get confronted with using slurs and such.
[QUOTE=Asaratha] I understand it's been brought up before, but maybe if it's being brought up numerous times over the years it's an issue? Just a thought! [/QUOTE] Was thinking the same thing, These some are really good posts
and we still don't have any definitive guidelines or rules regarding avatars. what's too lewd? are porn game avatars and erect penises only banned? can we please get some clarity on this other than "i dont care" and then banning someone for a lewd avatar
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52834523]Part of the reason we respond there way we do it's because a lot of us have been here for years, some over a decade. Many of the issues that are brought up are indeed things that have been brought up before, and have been handled in the past. Things like anime avatars and what's kosher in regards to lewdness were settled, and it's those who either were not present or not apart of the forum at the time who dont understand. Now granted the forum is constantly growing in changing, things that were fine a year ago are now bannable and vice versa. But a lot of people seem to neglect the big picture. As I've said, many of us have been here for years. We've seen all the bs, we've watched the drama, we've had our fair share of odd users come and go. In the end the forum keeps chugging, and I honestly think some people take it way too seriously. So I apologise if I come off an unapologetic or even like an asshole sometimes, but like Pascal said I've got a life outside of the forum. I volunteer my personal time to do this, but I have real world obligations that take precedence. And to see people constantly bickering about what avatars are ok and which member should be banned for such and such or whatever have you every single day month after month, it gets pretty old.[/QUOTE] This seems like such a shitty attitude honestly, especially the last paragraph. Everyone has stuff going on irl, and I'm sure it's all more important than avatar standards, but that doesn't mean it's any less pertinent to discuss those concerns when people care about it and their forum browsing experience in a thread literally dedicated to forum discussion. I know it gets old, but the reason these things keep getting brought up time and time again is because none of them are being resolved. Believe me, it gets old for us too. You say earlier on in your post that these issues have been "settled", but that hasn't been my experience at all. What typically happens is some notable incident brings up a long-standing issue to discuss, people inevitably get fatigued of discussing it in the face of the mods being stubborn and dismissive, one of the mods (usually Pascall) makes a nice and reassuring post about how things are going to improve that gets a bunch of hearts, and then we rinse and repeat a couple of weeks later.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;52834589]What typically happens is some notable incident brings up a long-standing issue to discuss, people inevitably get fatigued of discussing it in the face of the mods being stubborn and dismissive, one of the mods (usually Pascall) makes a nice and reassuring post about how things are going to improve that gets a bunch of hearts, and then we rinse and repeat a couple of weeks later.[/QUOTE] There's also usually a reassuring post about how the moderators are [I]discussing[/I] the issue at hand in their discord or mod forums or whatever, and that it'll be addressed later, and then nothing happens :v:
"I have a life" isn't a good excuse. Everyone here has a life, everyone here has things to do, everyone here occasionally is dismissive, and you are not special just because you're a mod. I know a few forums where you would get [I]banned[/I] for being a dismissive dude or where you would get demoted for something like that. Mods should be held up higher to avatar standards because you know, they're the ones that enforce the rules. I forgive you personally, but keep in mind that no issue on facepunch has ever been truly settled. You still see advertising threads from time to time, and there's occasionally some other stupid issue that comes around. You guys as moderators are [I]usually[/I] fair and nice.
Discussions are difficult sometimes because we’re all on at different times of day and hours will pass before we can get replies or a consensus from even the majority of the team. Hard to get a lot of things done that way tbh. That being said, here’s the scoop on avatars at this point. NSFW avatars of any kind aren’t allowed. This includes both images/gifs of real people or cartoon/anime/whatever. Everybody gotta have some type of clothes on and not be doing lewd shit. If it’s cropped porn, it better be REALLY CROPPED or we’ll ask you to change it. If it’s an image that you got from your spank bank, leave it the fuck in your spank bank. If you see avatars that are borderline or are obviously NSFW, feel free to PM me about it. I’ll ask the person to change it. This decision may or may not be permanent since sometimes rules can change depending on things but for now, this is what we’re going with. If you have giant titties as your avatar, change it today. Tomorrow I’m gonna start banning for it.
Wir müssen sie anime Titten ausrotten.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;52834652]Wir müssen sie anime Titten ausrotten.[/QUOTE] I'll take a wild guess before googletranslating it: Will murder all anime tittes on sight?
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52834523] And to see people constantly bickering about what avatars are ok and which member should be banned for such and such or whatever have you every single day month after month, it gets pretty old.[/QUOTE] Sounds like you shouldn't be a moderator then.
[QUOTE=Nightfury;52834672]I'll take a wild guess before googletranslating it: Will murder all anime tittes on sight?[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/qBrZdJ0.png[/IMG] Other than Google translating it into Southern hick dialect, more or less that.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;52834652]Wir müssen sie anime Titten ausrotten.[/QUOTE] Give Baldy your Anime Tits
[QUOTE=postal;52834182]yea i agree that those posts didn't help this but just want to point out that I did post about how we actually did seriously address peoples concerns over our mod chat and agreed they were right and took the action people wanted, so it did at least get solved in the end regardless of all these fukin shitposting mods ye understatement right there lmao[/QUOTE] u know i luv u bby u can do no wrong On the other hand please don't interpret my posts as saying mods shouldn't shitpost. FP Mod shitposting is what makes mods likeable, imo - only that there's a line where the shitposting stops being shitposting and gets interpreted differently by everyone.
I don't know if my avatar counts as bad or not, send help
[QUOTE=Leestons;52834682]Sounds like you shouldn't be a moderator then.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand his point. What we're dealing with here are honestly almost petty politics to a degree, but the truth is these issues keep popping up over and over through the years, which I think is his main point. Don't take his relative disinterest as something so negative, and even less as something that invalidates him being a good mod, but try to understand that there's been so much garbage discussion surrounding these topics that people, understandably imo, naturally tend to tune out. No shame in that, me thinks.
[QUOTE=Asaratha;52834565]Pascall was modded the same time I was, and I don't see them giving replies like "i dont care neither should u". Clearly your time here is (or should be) irrelevant to how you respond to forum politics. I understand it's been brought up before, but maybe if it's being brought up numerous times over the years it's an issue? Just a thought! For your last paragraph, that's literally being a forum moderator. What did you expect? I understand having a life outside the forum, but how does this excuse coming back to your moderator position and being extremely obnoxious with dismissive behaviour & some sort of newly developed ego?[/QUOTE] My personal life is more important to the forms, and it is not worth my mental effort to become flustered over issues on the forum. The point is I do take this forum serious enough to spend over a decade on it. Forum politics here is full of shitposts and dribble, as to anyone who has paid attention to this thread series knows and understands. If people want to take lighthearted junk serious in a thread full of shitposts that would otherwise be bannable outside of this thread that is upon their own accord. Things like anime tits and which user is the hot ticket person are trivial matters that can and often are solved simply, even though the outside appearance is full of shit. Now I've got no problem offering serious answers when warranted, but like any average user I enjoy posting my own opinion just like the next person. In an obnoxious thread full of shitposts I would think one would have the ability to decern Ernest answers from those that we make out of jest, all of which are supposed to be in line with the nature of this thread. Of course if all would like this thread to be more serious I would have no problem doing so, though I would also expect the same for those who post in it. The Fact of the matter is whenever people post any concern, regardless of our initial reactions, it is being discussed in the mod chat. In regards to forum policy as far as I am concerned Hezzy (and sometimes postal) has the final say on what gets changed and what doesn't. It is my opinion that people shouldn't give a damn about avatars, something that I explained in depth many many pages ago. You all have options here, you can use ad blocks or not visit the site at inopportune times. In my opinion the points that people brought up in regards to anime tits as avatars being NSFW or what have you are personal problems, one that rather than taking care of yourselves instead wish to push onto the forum. But this of course is my opinion, one that does not hold any moderator weight inside or outside this thread nor reflects the moderation team as a whole. Whatever the moderation team decides is best is what I will follow.
If you have an opinion on the matter then say I don't think you should care that much instead of saying "lol why care." it really doesn't help anything.
[QUOTE=Otterman;52834902]If you have an opinion on the matter then say I don't think you should care that much instead of saying "lol why care." it really doesn't help anything.[/QUOTE] Nor does all of everyones shit posting in here, but then again that is the tone of the thread (hence why we don't ban for it in here). Of course if this wasn't full of drama it would't be a forum discussion thread.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;52833302]The amazing ultra-vehicle for porn that is the modern internet was still being put together, so people were still socially sharing porn. On-topic, let's talk about, Shame on you, hypocrite, and anyone who uses this as a [B]defense[/B] of any type of avatar at all. You make a liar of yourself when you defend any avatar with this nonsense, because you put forth the effort, that is, [I]you show you care,[/I] when you say this. Short of somebody who has no avatar at all, there is no one who has the right to say this when you have at some point, consciously picked an image and set it as such that it is automatically attached to your posts for the indefinite future. Then we come to the next horseman of the 'tarpocolypse. followed shortly by his brother, If that's your solution to it, then you are just as bad as the first. At that point, why even have rules about avatars at all? Would you openly accept and embrace tits just floating wildly though the forum? Wolfboys with cummies plastered all over their faces telling you why Trump's latest policy isn't that bad in Polidicks? Swimsuit wearing lolis, cropped at about-so-high chatting casually about videogames? ISIS beheading gifs commenting on the latest JonTron video threads? I mean, hey, you can just ad block it away or disable avatars! Again I say, shame on you, hypocrite. Because you do care, and if some enterprising gold came along and made their avatar a .gif of the sicknastiest reverse cowgirl on either side of Texas, you wouldn't bat an eye at the ban that came with it. The fundamental issue is that Reagy, after ascending to Modhood, has systematically abused their power, and that abuse of power has been defended with a lackadaisical and circular, "who cares." Likewise, people were 'unhappy' when Tudd, then Jemima, brought the green tide of froggers with them. But, "who cares." This forum does not have to strictly be "family friendly." Nobody here is jockeying for corporate sponsorships, last I checked. This forum does not have to be "serious business." It's a righteous laugh when a mod [I]occasionally[/I] breaks a rule or shirt-fronts the community for a giggle. It's a problem when it is constant, it is a problem when the rules are beyond unclear, and it is a problem when enforcement comes down to favoritism and "jokes," where only a handful of people are laughing. I am all for a freer internet. I am all for there being less rules and more options. However, if you're going to have rules at all, they have to apply fairly, equally and clearly. When Craptesket or Hezzy or Postal drops a wild sickcrazy shitpost in the middle of a huge discussion, everyone has a laugh. [I]Then they don't do it again for like a month.[/I] Imagine if every conversation in Polidicks was Big Dumb American coming in and saying, every day, over and over again. Imagine if anyone who brought it up or criticized it was answered with, but that's not how we handle it. We expect the mods, apart from the occasional exercise of their superlative freedom that comes with power, to be held to [I]at least[/I] the same standards that any regular John Q. Internet is held to. Which ultimately has not been the pattern.[/QUOTE] I agree with you wholeheartedly. I want the moderator team to be approachable and fun, but also set the standards for the forum. Like you say, some of us know the limits for taste. From this incident, it is abundantly clear that some of us do not. I also cannot understand the general attitude of flippancy / apparent apathy that some moderators have adopted in this thread. They clearly care enough about the forums to sacrifice their own time for no compensation. A bit baffling. In this instance, we have fallen well below the standards that you expect from us. I apologise on behalf of the moderation team and I will be taking action to prevent this from happening again. I finish my current set of shifts with my other job on 1st November (my birthday) so you can expect to see the long delayed Moderator Guidelines being posted later that day. On a positive note, I will also be announcing how the Community Fund is doing and the first round of grants.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52834862]My personal life is more important to the forms, and it is not worth my mental effort to become flustered over issues on the forum. The point is I do take this forum serious enough to spend over a decade on it. Forum politics here is full of shitposts and dribble, as to anyone who has paid attention to this thread series knows and understands. If people want to take lighthearted junk serious in a thread full of shitposts that would otherwise be bannable outside of this thread that is upon their own accord. Things like anime tits and which user is the hot ticket person are trivial matters that can and often are solved simply, even though the outside appearance is full of shit. Now I've got no problem offering serious answers when warranted, but like any average user I enjoy posting my own opinion just like the next person. In an obnoxious thread full of shitposts I would think one would have the ability to decern Ernest answers from those that we make out of jest, all of which are supposed to be in line with the nature of this thread. Of course if all would like this thread to be more serious I would have no problem doing so, though I would also expect the same for those who post in it. The Fact of the matter is whenever people post any concern, regardless of our initial reactions, it is being discussed in the mod chat. In regards to forum policy as far as I am concerned Hezzy (and sometimes postal) has the final say on what gets changed and what doesn't. It is my opinion that people shouldn't give a damn about avatars, something that I explained in depth many many pages ago. You all have options here, you can use ad blocks or not visit the site at inopportune times. In my opinion the points that people brought up in regards to anime tits as avatars being NSFW or what have you are personal problems, one that rather than taking care of yourselves instead wish to push onto the forum. But this of course is my opinion, one that does not hold any moderator weight inside or outside this thread nor reflects the moderation team as a whole. Whatever the moderation team decides is best is what I will follow.[/QUOTE] Oh my god why does this need to be such a big deal? If you'd put half as much effort into your first reply as you've been putting into justifying it, you probably wouldn't have had to justify it in the first place
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52834914]Nor does all of everyones shit posting in here, but then again that is the tone of the thread (hence why we don't ban for it in here). Of course if this wasn't full of drama it would't be a forum discussion thread.[/QUOTE] Of course not, I agree, but shitposting is different than opinions. Shifting the blame saying "Well other people also make it bad," isn't a great excuse. You're a moderator. You should make sure people aren't getting fussy over things, not make it worse.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52834933]Oh my god why does this need to be such a big deal? If you'd put half as much effort into your first reply as you've been putting into justifying it, you probably wouldn't have had to justify it in the first place[/QUOTE] Because people wish to make it a big deal. People want explanations to things that have already been explained. The problem here is not everyone who frequents this thread is on the same page, myself included. As I stated I had gone over these topics well in depth in the past, to which the end result of that entire rant is why my avatar ended up becoming Tudds. One would think that those who frequent this thread, which is many of you, would know my position on the subject. In keeping with the light hearted nature of the thread I expressed that again, to which the wording alone would have alluded that I had covered the topic previously. In any event that's all going to change, which is fine in my book.
mod chatlog over this drama as requested by hezzzzzzzzzzzy [quote][B]postal 3:05 AM[/B] do you really need to keep picking avatars like that lol. i dont care but looking at the forums discussion thread it's obviously bothering people. it was funny the first few times but maybe its time to pick something not so explicit?? i dont think this is worth putting up with pages of drama over lol (edited) [B]Kiwi 3:10 AM[/B] exactly this @reagy change it this isn't worth the drama [B]Reagy 3:16 AM[/B] the fact its an old one I've used in the past and no one gave a damn is why I find that funny but fine [B]postal 3:17 AM[/B] try picking an avatar that isnt just giant jiggling tits on the screen thx [B]Pascall 4:09 AM[/B] U people and ur anime titties I don’t want none of it [B]Craptasket 8:57 AM[/B] what if it's a duck running with huge tits [B]mezzokoko 9:41 AM[/B] @reagy It's almost as if consistently picking obnoxious avatars is somewhat annoying You honestly shouldn't be surprised that it bothers people [B]Taliyah 12:34 PM[/B] And people are still going on about the aftermath too jeez [B]Pascall 1:13 PM[/B] People are gonna because it was handled kind of poorly. [B]Taliyah 1:22 PM[/B] was it really handled poorly? [B]Pascall 1:23 PM[/B] Lil bit [B]postal 2:33 PM[/B] it probably doesnt help that reagys 'apology' post is filled with jabs at everyone complaining lol lmao first unread post in that thread is someone bitching about it good god drama over anime titties. we've reached a new low [B]Sgt Doom 2:37 PM[/B] least it's not tudd anymore, i suppose [B]postal 2:37 PM[/B] only because they literally cant say his name in there or else they get banned for a month lmao fascism works! [B]Sgt Doom 2:40 PM[/B] zhere vill be order in mein forum discussion [B]Pascall 2:40 PM[/B] Gotta learn that when you have to own up for being wrong about something, just do it honestly. Saves time and annoyances to just be like my bad. [B]postal 2:45 PM[/B] it wouldve been a lot better if it wasnt for that 'Images are serious fucking business apparently.' line lol. [B]Kiwi 3:12 PM[/B] @reagy ur apology sucks [B]Reagy 3:18 PM[/B] always had a bad way with words [B]postal 3:19 PM[/B] also tbh there was really only that one guy that was pissed. going on about how angry/pissed everyone is doesnt really help calm things down much [B]Reagy 3:19 PM[/B] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [B]Pascall 5:48 PM[/B] So what’s our final stance on avatars, just no NSFW stuff? Or are we okay with a certain amount of lewdness to a point, cuz I’d rather do away with all nsfw avatars just to keep it fair and easy but uhhh obvs I’m not the only one with input on it The less work for us the better tho I figure [B]Sgt Doom 5:49 PM[/B] eh, just get rid of lewd avs entirely, easier to enforce. if someone needs wank material, they can go to e621 or w/e if they wanna share what they wank to, there's places elsewhere [B]Pascall 5:51 PM[/B] Anime girls still allowed just like... put some clothes on em... Well unless anyone has like. An objection to that, I’ll post it up as official. So everybody put your unclothed titties away. But if you guys have issues with it later or something just bring it up in here and we can talk more about it. But I’m tired of hearing people whine about wanting a decision so I’m giving em one. [B]postal 6:00 PM[/B] Does anyone else even have an avatar on the same level as what reagy was using lol. Should be obvious enough to people what is and isn't allowed id like to think Not like we can't just respond to any complaints in that thread tho if people really want something gone [B]Pascall 6:05 PM[/B] I don’t think anyone has any right now nah This is just so people can ShUT [B]postal 6:41 PM[/B] I didn't realize you were gonna make a big post about it already lol that was fast Who are you and what have you done with the real Pascall And yea the easiest solution to this is just tell a mod if you have a problem with someone's avatar. But again Reagy is the only person I've even noticed pushing it with avatars lmao [B]Kiwi 6:44 PM[/B] I could bring back my huge as hell nep hat avatar but that’s not nsfw at all it’s just a lot of anime hats [B]Hezzy 6:59 PM[/B] 221 posts in forum discussion what now [B]postal 7:00 PM[/B] anime [B]Sgt Doom 7:00 PM[/B] Great big norks [B]Hezzy 7:07 PM[/B] ok from now on if i'm not around then @postal is at the helm, do what he tells you [B]postal 7:07 PM[/B] :dog: [B]UncleJimemema 7:17 PM[/B] aye aye captain [B]Icemaz 7:24 PM[/B] I think people underestimate how often their issues are discussed here or elsewhere. Acting like every query is just ignored [B]postal 7:25 PM[/B] like i said in the thread tho it would've helped things a bit if one of us said sooner that we're actively discussing it over mod chat. otherwise they just immediately assume we're just laughing their complaints off, for whatever reason [B]UncleJimemema 7:26 PM[/B] I supposed we should do that before the shitposting [B]Icemaz 7:27 PM[/B] That's fair, just seen it in the past too so I imagine it would help simmer the drama down [B]Hezzy 7:32 PM[/B] okay i want everyone to read the latest post i've made in forums discussion [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1576300&p=52834917&viewfull=1#post52834917[/url] this whole situation and how it was responded to by the current moderator team is really shit i am not happy in the slightest i will be writing the new, BADLY NEEDED guidelines as soon as i finish my set of shifts, this has gone on too long and perhaps i am to blame for not acting more decisively sooner and good point about the mod chat, in the interests of transparency i will be posting the chatlogs about this[/quote]
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52834914]Nor does all of everyones shit posting in here, but then again that is the tone of the thread (hence why we don't ban for it in here). Of course if this wasn't full of drama it would't be a forum discussion thread.[/QUOTE] If you think people explaining in detail their grievances with your attitude in this thread are shitposting I don't trust you with handling bans on this forum and think you should step down.
"always had a bad way with words" "¯\_(ツ)_/¯" :thinking:
can we have beer in the water fountains [editline]29th October 2017[/editline] and cameras in the girl's locker rooms
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