• Forums Discussion v3 - Post about Tudd and win a 1 month ban
    5,023 replies, posted
[QUOTE=garry;52840394]The forum is already gamified. That's why you care that your join date and post count are shown. Instead of just saying it's a horrible idea, try explaining why you feel that way.[/QUOTE] If I'm being honest, its because Facepunch has a separate distinction in my mind from video games. I don't really think of Facepunch as a videogame forum as much as I do a forum with emphasis on certain videogames. I use it because I like the community and discussions that come up, not because I enjoy ratings or having a high post count. Forums are a pretty simple setup for discussion, and I'm not sure adding game like elements will do anything more than distract people from posting normally. Ratings may seem game-like, but they more so serve a purpose of streamlining discussion to remove unnecessary "I agree" or "This is stupid." posts.
You don't like the idea of gamifying the forum because it's not a games forum?
I've just read threw a bit and I like the idea of 'gameification' and don't see why it shouldn't openly be accepted and tested. At the end of the day, it means more interactivity with the forum its self. And of course, a new dynamic in a sense with how you would interact.
We already have ratings, a displayed post count, join date and event log. That makes users stand out as individuals regardless. If people want a bigger avatar, that can be achieved through donations like the community fund. Not a lot of point in these coins, imo
[QUOTE=garry;52841124]You don't like the idea of gamifying the forum because it's not a games forum?[/QUOTE] No thats not what I mean. Discussion based websites don't fit the criteria of something I find game like. It's like how I wouldn't consider posting on a 4chan quest thread playing a game. Sure there is the interactive element of it, but the reason I go onto the site is not because of these that. I go hear because I like posting in threads and responding to other users. If I want to play a game I have plenty of better options to entertain myself than farming for forum coins. Even on my phone theres better options. If I'm being a bit brutal, the whole idea of gamifiying the forum seems to be a bit of unnecessary bloat. Yeah I guess having coins could be nifty, but how does it make the forums any better? Posters here can't even recognize each other without referencing their avatars, what makes you think they'll give a shit over each others unlocks? It just distracts from the primary purpose of a forum, which is discussion. Maybe a better use for coins would be something like alternate skins for the site?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52841138]We already have ratings, a displayed post count, join date and event log. That makes users stand out as individuals regardless. If people want a bigger avatar, that can be achieved through donations like the community fund. Not a lot of point in these coins, imo[/QUOTE] Not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to contribute to the community fund, you know?
I think you might be taking the idea of "gameifying" a bit literally. It isn't supposed to be an entertaining game as much as it is just a way for you to earn perks as you contribute to discussions.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52841100]If I'm being honest, its because Facepunch has a separate distinction in my mind from video games. I don't really think of Facepunch as a videogame forum as much as I do a forum with emphasis on certain videogames. I use it because I like the community and discussions that come up, not because I enjoy ratings or having a high post count. Forums are a pretty simple setup for discussion, and I'm not sure adding game like elements will do anything more than distract people from posting normally. Ratings may seem game-like, but they more so serve a purpose of streamlining discussion to remove unnecessary "I agree" or "This is stupid." posts.[/QUOTE] I agree with your statement about it being a forum with emphasis on certain games ad opposed to a videogame forum, but I think you might be missing what the purpose of making things more game like. As of now we really don't have much of a system in place to help recognize active users and contributors to the forum. At one time you could say gold member was one of them, but I think most would agree that now it's not the case. The whole point of gameifying is to reward those who choose to be active in the community. For some people that can be very important, especially for those who have been active for years with little or nothing to show it beyond a post count and maybe a title. Of course all of this is a work in progress and subject to change. Everyone's brainstorming as to how to properly handle it as well as how to avoid exploitation and the like.
Charge users 50 coins to use an anime avatar, and regular avatars are free. Anime blight problem is solved.
Why would we want to place emphasis on users just for being super active though? Some of the most active are the kinds of people who were posting with giant titty avatars and flirting with each other for attention. Why give them that sense of unwarranted self importance? I want to remember the people who actually stand out for being cool, not because they're constantly on here.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52841186]Why would we want to place emphasis on active users though? Some of the most active are the kinds of people who were posting with giant titty avatars and flirting with each other for attention. Why give them that sense of unwarranted self importance?[/QUOTE] I don't believe it's activity in the sense of posting (although that helps). I believe just activity in general also contributes to it. As of now it seems to be a wombo combo of things including browsing time, ratings received, and posts made. That's just speculation though
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52841186]Why would we want to place emphasis on active users though? Some of the most active are the kinds of people who were posting with giant titty avatars and flirting with each other for attention. Why give them that sense of unwarranted self importance?[/QUOTE] It's not going to be based around post count whatsoever. More so around things done in regards to the community. Ideas that have been thrown around include giving ratings, using the report system, participating in the discord, among other things. Like I said though, is a work in progress. We understand that not everyone is active in the same way as others, and part of what we're doing is trying to address how we can include people who participate in all sorts of different ways. We are also trying to find ways to prevent people from exploiting the system (things like ratings) ontop of that.
[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;52841196]I don't believe it's activity in the sense of posting (although that helps). I believe just activity in general also contributes to it. As of now it seems to be a wombo combo of things including browsing time, ratings received, and posts made. That's just speculation though[/QUOTE] I don't think its bad, I just think its totally unnecessary. If you look at some of the most successful online communities, they tend not to have a lot in the way of fluff.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;52841214]I don't think its bad, I just think its totally unnecessary. If you look at some of the most successful online communities, they tend not to have a lot in the way of fluff.[/QUOTE] I don't disagree. I like the idea of just having the levels as opposed to coins. The idea of incentivizing activity on the forums is a good one. I think coins are a good first way of testing that. I could also see transitioning the perks to the level system and gouging the coins system entirely as another good idea, since both seems to go hand-in-hand somewhat.
I don't see whats so bad about the gamification idea. It's not like people today are saying "oh your post count is under 300 so your gonna be ignored", so I doubt people would care if a star was next to your name for getting 100000000000 funnies. As long as the rewards don't lead to absolute shitposting it should be fine. Like if one of the requirements was "get reported and dumbed by 90 different people in 1 post" that would suck.
[QUOTE=Nookyava;52841183]Charge users 50 coins to use an anime avatar, and regular avatars are free. Anime blight problem is solved.[/QUOTE] Adding on to this joke: Expand the idea into a feature, Avatar Frames. Frames are either functional or decorative, where some enable kinds of images and are otherwise invisible, and some act as an extra border around your avatar. You get a default starter frame that holds the 16x16 pixel art, but after 50 posts upgrades to a standard frame for 60x60 images. You can contribute to the Community Fund or spend coins for a random drop of a frame. So functional frames are like the starter frame, standard, medium, Gold size, as well as animated, double file size, etc. Decorative frames are like different holiday themed borders you can win by participating in community events, or game-themed ones, or circling strings of text, etc. And then you can start wrapping them into Facepunch-brand lootcrates!! 450 coins for a key, and now you can get 500 coins for the low donation cost of $4.99!! Y'know just really go full Microsoft with it.
Over the past couple hours, changed my mind on the coins somewhat. So long as they’re earned in a sane way and that if people want to burnish the upgrades they can pay for it, not that big of a deal. Just hope it isn’t a major part of forum upkeep
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;52841321] And then you can start wrapping them into Facepunch-brand lootcrates!! 450 coins for a key, and now you can get 500 coins for the low donation cost of $4.99!! [/QUOTE] 450 coins for a key and you can only buy coins in increments of 400.
It'd be interesting if you could give people coins, for example if they made something you like and you want to be nice
[QUOTE=Period;52841358]450 coins for a key and you can only buy coins in increments of 400.[/QUOTE] [I]Now we're talking[/I]
Yeah I mean, most grocery stores use gameification to enhance shopping. You see it with points systems. "Win 3000 points if you buy 5!" Gameification is already widely used in many places not game related.
People always tended to freak out over design changes here but its always been OK in the end. I think the whole coin system is pretty solid, I like the idea of actually being part of the community and posting good for a long time earning rewards more than just changing your user name to Gold color. It's effectively an augment on the system we already have just with the option to presumably choose what things you would like. That's all it is in my eyes. I still would like something to show our join date. It's not particularly useful, but its a thing that for whatever reason I like.
[QUOTE=garry;52840394]The forum is already gamified. That's why you care that your join date and post count are shown. Instead of just saying it's a horrible idea, try explaining why you feel that way.[/QUOTE] Idk if I'm alone on this but I don't care about those things being shown. :pudge: If I am though then my opinion is pretty weak. Majority over minority and all that.
I still like that idea I had before in our mod chat where all the ratings are free to use, but the really insulting ones (baby, child molester, whatever else gets added) costs like a few coins to use. Just the concept of 'paying' to call someone a child molester is hilarious in concept, but also I feel like it'd make the rating have more impact to it. Also we wouldn't have anymore dumb drama from people spamming insult ratings on entire pages/specific people's post histories that way, so that's a plus.
Child molester rating is in bad taste.
I feel like we're backtracking by adding coins. Seems like something that would've been on the forum back when it started out. All the old gimmicky features ultimately all got weeded out since people kept obsessing about them, i don't see how the coins will end up being any different.
[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;52841725]Child molester rating is in bad taste.[/QUOTE] 😚 Child molester x [B]4[/B] (list)
Will we be able to see who rates what? I always thought rating would be better if it were anonymous honestly.
also surprised nobody noticed the objectively best feature on the new forum: the fact I'm an admin on it alongside hezzy ha ha ha
I wonder if you can be in debt with coins the new generation of smartness, instead of ranking by spelling and grammar we rank by wealth [editline]31st October 2017[/editline] bans and dumbs should negate coins after a certain point
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.