• Forums Discussion v3 - Post about Tudd and win a 1 month ban
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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52632513] This perception of you as a dishonest propagandist hiding behind false notions of objectivity didn't just materialize out of thin air. They were informed by your actions and your behavior.[/QUOTE] More to the point Tudd, your entire identity of Facepunch was built around two things: Supporting Trump, and opposing Clinton (largely to support Trump). You had posted before but you weren't a big contributor to SH from what I remember before 2016. So after posting for a damn year about the election, constantly defending Trump, constantly attacking Clinton, Trump wins and you suddenly switch gears from defending Trump to pushing articles in SH, or videos in the Videos section. People aren't blind dude, and they don't have as pitiful a memory as you think they do.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52632507]So you don't think there is anything to over 100 people finding it humerous for you, Tudd, to call for verification of stories, and whats more, not to take advantage of a political climate? You think that's just an incorrect perception, and that the real reason you catch so much shit is because you are a perfectly rational reporter of the news that [I]really matters[/I], unbound by the human frivolity of emotion? [editline]31st August 2017[/editline] While this is an outstanding point, I'd just like to comment that Tudd still absolutely loves Trump and will defend everything he does, but only privately. It's a lot harder to push the false narrative that Polidicks is a "liberal echo chamber" if you actually try to make it less of an echo chamber.[/QUOTE] I don't really give a shit about Tudd's perspectives regarding Trump in the context of his posting habits on here, outside of understanding his motivations for the broader acts of deviousness. I think that boiling down his faults to "Trump Supporter" cheapens the argument against his dishonesty. It becomes pretty easy to dismiss your distaste for him as simply being a matter of having different political beliefs rather than a fundamental issue with the [I]manner[/I] in which he promotes his beliefs.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52632521]I don't really give a shit about Tudd's perspectives regarding Trump in the context of his posting habits on here, outside of understanding his motivations for the broader acts of deviousness. I think that boiling down his faults to "Trump Supporter" cheapens the argument against his dishonesty. It becomes pretty easy to dismiss your distaste for him as simply being a matter of having different political beliefs rather than a fundamental issue with the [I]manner[/I] in which he promotes his beliefs.[/QUOTE] I agree, I was just clarifying that Tudd absolutely cared about Trump winning back when it mattered. As it relates to his posting habits, I'd say its meaningless if only for the fact that he never really talks about Trump anymore. Can't say I blame him though
I mean, shit. I really didn't intend to make this a whole big thing. God knows we waste enough time bitching about Tudd in here. I guess all I really wanted to say was, "just be straight with us for once." Obviously I would still disagree with you politically, Tudd, but if you would just drop the the false pretense I would probably respect you. When you're not peddling bullshit, it's clear that you're an intelligent and well-read guy. I think that debating with you on honest grounds would be pretty worthwhile, even if we never see eye to eye.
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52632568]totally unrelated to tuddtalk but about all that game talk from a few pages back, is there going to be like a steam group or something or is it just gonna be a thread in GiP?[/QUOTE] We're still trying to sort out the details as to how it will be presented, what games will be available, if there's going to be game groups, among other things. Im sure we'll be discussing those sorts of things in the mod chat here pretty soon. In terms of progress we for the most part have the server stuff figured out, along with some of the games.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52632551]I mean, shit. I really didn't intend to make this a whole big thing. God knows we waste enough time bitching about Tudd in here. I guess all I really wanted to say was, "just be straight with us for once." Obviously I would still disagree with you politically, Tudd, but if you would just drop the the false pretense I would probably respect you. When you're not peddling bullshit, it's clear that you're an intelligent and well-read guy. I think that debating with you on honest grounds would be pretty worthwhile, even if we never see eye to eye.[/QUOTE] This isn't exclusive to just Tudd either. It's largely relevant to most of the posters who frequently get considered a joke by the rest of the forums for similar reasons. And people like sgman used to be decent posters then went down a similar route for whatever reason. I'd argue that part of the reason people get so frustrated with Tudd and ilk is specifically because they're aware that they're not actually idiots yet they insist on acting like they are.
the FP steam group has been undead for years now
[QUOTE=AtomicSans;52632580]the FP steam group has been undead for years now[/QUOTE] I wouldn't use the main fp group, everyone that doesn't care would get event notifications making another for fp vidya would be fine already have one for kiwi's dead gmf vidya [It's not 2 if it's on your public steam profile] [editline]31st August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Kiwi;52632626]I think we know who should get a blog[/QUOTE] remember the blog shit on this forum? robot killed it full of memes and uterus pics featuring dante from the devil may cry series
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52632626]I think we know who should get a blog[/QUOTE] You
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Can someone explain in few words whats hapening? Is it drama?
[QUOTE=RasmusG5;52632721]Can someone explain in few words whats hapening? Is it drama?[/QUOTE] I think, «Santa Barbara» show's happening.
When does mod riddles come back -_-
At the risk of drawing something out, and I apologize for anyone who'd like to move on, and reccomend you plainly go about your day if you don't care about Tudd, or giant green smugfrogs, I felt like this Tudd-oriented discussion has, for lack of a better phrase [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1550641"]happened before.[/URL] And honestly, the exchange of posts here just makes me wonder if anyone carried anything away from that thread, or if it actually happened at all. Perhaps I'm a .gif that dreams of being .txt, and this is all a delusion. It seems to me that Tudd (and now a growing number of Tudd-aligned figures. Maybe we can start calling them an Axis? Is Axis Poster an appropriate term for these people?) really just care about exploring the other side of a very one sided discussion. And it is one sided, given the demographics of this forum. Something I've talked about long ago, and a sentiment echo'd multiple times by multiple people. However, these people, the Axis posters, do not seem to speak with any apparent malice. Indeed, they speak genuinely, with no apparent glibness or sarcasm. And that's the thing. A number of people, without naming names, seem to have the conviction that no one could explore or appreciate what Trump, the Republicans, the teaming herds of the American middle class, 48-49% of the last voting population, and so on, are doing without being, "stupid."' Or without putting on an elaborate act. Why did I put "stupid" in big-box scare quotes? Because it's a word that's been deployed over and over and over again without making any headway. It adds nothing to the discussion. And it's [B]dumb.[/B] It's a pithy insult that flies, a slight with no weight, but it shows that the person speaking doesn't really care about what's being said by their opponent in any capacity. They're quite content with just reducing their opposition to a caricature, then disengaging and by the insertion of a simple word, insist they're the ones that are actually "smart" or perhaps just with-it. It forms an insistence that no one could legitimately, with full faith and merit, argue for a particular position without being mentally deficient. Bans (and more) would fly left and right if we just Ctrl+H'd "stupid" with "retarded," because it's being used to the same extent and capacity, it just [I]sounds nicer.[/I] If you have problems with people not giving ground in an argument, well, I once upon a time submitted a modest proposal found below: [quote= I] So really it comes down to a question. Do we want mods to punish people for not "finishing" their fights? Do we want mods to punish people for not changing their position? Even if it's hugely unpopular and argued against almost incessantly? Do we want to write in to the code of Facepunch's forum, cultural laws on pain of ban? I was thinking, while working on some writing earlier, of a silly little "death contest" posters could invoke. One would Toxx that they could convince a panel of three neutral moderators they had a better position, and if accepted by a similar Toxx from the other poster, they would be taken aside to a private thread. Maybe in it's own forum, maybe in the refugee camp. Each poster would then get 5 posts of between 5,000 and 8,000 words, just enough for something long but not exhausting, to make their arguments. 24 hours in total to make all the posts. Reply-Reply, no double-posting. First poster would be the one who issued the challenge, and last poster would get closing remarks. Admitting you're wrong or conceding gets a lesser punishment, but you can't hold you position publicly anymore on pain of P-ban. Then, once it was all said and done, the three assembled mods would hand down their judgement, out of 10. Poster with the highest score wins, lower score gets P-banned/conditionally banned. That all seems fair, straight forward. No running away, no backing down, things get resolved. Is that what we want? Should we say, "this is the law. No more bickering, no more arguing. If you have a fight, either settle it this way or take it to PMs! Otherwise, agree to disagree, or all hold hands and sing camp songs like a good little community." That's all I really have to add or take away on the matter. [/quote] I don't think we want that, it never really gained traction in the halcyon times of like, seven months ago. I don't think there's an easy solution. I think it's pretty obvious that even some moderators here have a clear emotional investment in flogging out "stupid" people for their trouble. I think a lot of people both on a higher level and a lower level would do well to recuse themselves from the topic, and maybe invite some outsiders to consider what's going on. I do think a healthy measure that would go toward 'solving' some of the tension would be the deployment of some self-control, lest we forget April the First, year of our lord 2017. But no matter what I think, my pay grade isn't high enough to effect anything. I'm just a silly little man that sometimes makes posts on a forum dedicated to a decade old videogame.
no offense crazy ivan but your writing style makes me feel real, physical pain
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;52633037]However, these people, the Axis posters, do not seem to speak with any apparent malice.[/QUOTE] The fact that they're willingly ignoring rebuttals and continuing to spread delusional misinformation might disagree with that.
-snip, this wasn't necessary-
Why are you making such a big deal out of it?
-snip, this is stupid-
[QUOTE=pentium;52633297]Because I have massively fucking high anxiety. If you have not noticed, shit stacks on you after being on a forum for a while? [i]lmao, its the internet you can just close the window[/i] It doesn't work like that in the head of something totally fucking broken. Snow in a title, using an old operating system (after a solution was given and quickly laughed at and dismissed) and fucking death threats that could of only originated from somewhere on this forum? You think I want this shit? This is a forum, not a fucking youth center. I can't even go away without knowing someone talking about me. This should totally be in the other thread too, I'm sorry you guys. Just please knock it the fuck off.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, I didn't know. I never really hang out in threads you do so I'm not familiar with you or how people act to you. If you really have problems, actual problems, that you just mentioned, I don't see why mods wouldn't help you out or even would go the other way just to spite you?
[QUOTE=pentium;52633297]Because I have massively fucking high anxiety. If you have not noticed, shit stacks on you after being on a forum for a while? [i]lmao, its the internet you can just close the window[/i] It doesn't work like that in the head of something totally fucking broken. Snow in a title, using an old operating system (after a solution was given and quickly laughed at and dismissed) and fucking death threats that could of only originated from somewhere on this forum? You think I want this shit? This is a forum, not a fucking youth center. I can't even go away without knowing someone talking about me. This should totally be in the other thread too, I'm sorry you guys. Just please knock it the fuck off.[/QUOTE] I'm not an expert or anything mate but I don't think sitting in a forum where drama happens is really helping you out. Like is it worth being here at all if it's causing you extreme amounts of stress, it's just an internet forum after all.
MIPS you're a good dude at heart and I love your dedication to the history of computing and other machines and you've been a big help to me in the past with some of my old junk so I don't wanna make you feel attacked but you gotta find some way to chill out, man. I always see you getting wound up and that's why people pick on you. You make yourself an easy target sometimes.
[QUOTE=pentium;52633297]Because I have massively fucking high anxiety. If you have not noticed, shit stacks on you after being on a forum for a while? [i]lmao, its the internet you can just close the window[/i] It doesn't work like that in the head of something totally fucking broken. Snow in a title, using an old operating system (after a solution was given and quickly laughed at and dismissed) and fucking death threats that could of only originated from somewhere on this forum? You think I want this shit? This is a forum, not a fucking youth center. I can't even go away without knowing someone talking about me. This should totally be in the other thread too, I'm sorry you guys. Just please knock it the fuck off.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure how lashing out about this forum isn't a youth center is supposed to help when you are the one blaming the forum for your anxiety. No one here wants you to be anxious (I assume), but we've seen several times how hard it is to reason with you.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52633357]Is this not victim blaming?[/QUOTE] It's not meant to be, but I guess it could be taken that way. On the Internet it can be hard to tell when to stop what you might perceive as harmless banter and a lot of people don't really care if they push someone too far. Sometimes you have to keep your own head down for your own good even if you're not really at fault. I'm not saying he's got it coming or that the people picking on him aren't in the wrong, but unfortunately it's his reactions that make them keep doing it.
Not surprising Pentium gets a lot of shit here, the attitudes towards mental health on this forum are fucking disgraceful. When people think its OK to refer to people as "autists" or use "reeee" and Autistic screeching memes among various other shit and it really compromises in my opinion that this forum is quite progressive. Its hard enough to deal with mental health on your own, its even more difficult when you feel like your being judged.
As a kid, whenever I got mad over the small stuff people would say my dad would always tell me, "You gotta learn to laugh things off." The things that were said there were harmless fun and nothing at all compared to what has been said about others on this site. Laugh it off, strive to do and be better rather than wallow in it. I don't mean to victim blame either but there's a lot that [i]you[/i] can do to control your environment, and this truth should be especially considered for those dealing with issues surrounding concept of self. That said, death threats targeted towards other users are reprehensible. ps ban tudd
I suggest that if a user wants another user to be banned or punished, they must work for it. A challenge. Pit them both against each other in the gladiator's arena, have them brawl in the Colosseum, where man has time and time again proven themselves to the gods through trial by combat. However, these men shall Duke it out in Mario Party 8. A trial by fire, if you will.
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