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[QUOTE=James xX;52633624]Not wanting to burst any bubbles, but having mental issues myself, I think that putting the words "autist" or "ree" on a special stand and forbidding anyone from saying it would only be harmful. I guess I would argue my point as follows: Making it into a joke is also making it more acceptable to talk about. If you feel judged by someone using the word "ree", then sure that's a problem, but I don't think it's a problem that can be dealt with on here.[/QUOTE] I disagree to a certain extent, I think that using words tied to certain mental illnesses as negative insults stigmatizes that illness, just like how using 'gay' as a word synonymous with 'bad' perpetuates negative attitudes towards homosexuality. "Autist" is one of the most flippantly used insults I've seen used over the past couple of years.
Someone was talking about it earlier, and I've been thinking about it: I want to make a distinction between telling users to "chill out" and telling them to "grow thicker skin". Telling someone to grow thicker skin normalizes people being awful. Sure, it's normal for people to encounter unpleasant people in their lives, but people being unpleasant shouldn't be the normal part, and I feel like it doesn't set a good standard for any community. It ends up setting the precedent that if someone feels uncomfortable, it's their fault. This used to be what the Gold Members Forum operated on. If someone wasn't happy with how they were being talked about by the group, it was their fault for looking, or not logging off, or being easy to make fun of. And it eventually took serious moderator intervention to get rid of that toxicity, resulting in bans and lots of users leaving elsewhere. In general, the forum has improved year after year in this regard, which is great. But I still think we should be pushing more and more towards leaving people alone in general. For example, you can look at moderators changing people's titles. I think they're funny at first, but I think they can be harmful in the long run. pentium had that dandruff image for so long and was only killed off because of how imgur works, not because anyone got rid of it. And I feel like that image helps bring up an old post I don't think pentium is necessarily comfortable with or wants representing him. And that in turn makes him feel uncomfortable, more on edge, and a little closer to feeling unfairly judged by the community. It's not just him though. There's also Alice and FunnyStarRunner with their titles too, and I think it has a similar effect. They probably don't want that representing them. I understand it's part of the joke but I don't think their titles should stay like that for forever. At that point it's a bit much. They're little things but they add up with other little things that I think we can do away with in favor of making people feel welcome and comfortable and engaged with one another. With that said: I think people who are disagreeable ought to be either fairly criticized or banned. If they can't handle that, then yeah, they need to figure out how to live life without such a sensitive ego. I dunno, I've always been a proponent of hugboxes. Silliness and light teasing only.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;52638623]Someone was talking about it earlier, and I've been thinking about it: I want to make a distinction between telling users to "chill out" and telling them to "grow thicker skin". Telling someone to grow thicker skin normalizes people being awful. Sure, it's normal for people to encounter unpleasant people in their lives, but people being unpleasant shouldn't be the normal part, and I feel like it doesn't set a good standard for any community. It ends up setting the precedent that if someone feels uncomfortable, it's their fault.[/QUOTE] You made me remember when I made a suggestion about modifying the ignore feature, to which i was just told exactly that, followed by my ratings getting "jokingly" switched. I mean that's okay if nobody liked my suggestion (and tbh looking back its kind of an unnecessary idea), but idk why anyone would bother even making a suggestion here if it's just going to warrant a weirdly hostile response.
It's kinda hard for me to articulate my thoughts on it without rambling but I'll do my best (I'm sure this will be followed by a not well articulated rambling post) I think both far sides of the spectrum are problematic, the repeated outright harassment of users (see mr apple for an example of "taking it too far"), and the (I really hate to use the term, but) "special snowflake" I-don't-like-what-you're-saying-so-stop-saying-it-NOW mentality that seems to be fostered in places like tumblr and makes people wholly unprepared for how the world actually works. I think there's a good middle ground that we should shoot for, in our case definitely leaning more towards the former as I think making fun of people is pretty ingrained in FP's collective pschye and has been since the early days. We're all kinda dicks and sarcastic assholes to each other in general but it's not really meant to be mean spirited, you dish it out fully expecting to receive it back just as much. If you get offended by stuff like that then it seems pretty simple to me to either not post or go elsewhere and find a community that's more in line with the kind of interactions you want. If you can't handle it, but continue to stick around and get overtly offended every time someone throws a little shade at you then really all you're doing is painting a huge target on yourself. I understand that that might be a bit of victim blaming but like someone else brought out, a text based internet community is literally one of the easiest situations to remove yourself from. If you don't like the way people are treating you, the little x is right there. [editline]0[/editline] My opinion is not the gold standard though, maybe the consensus is that we don't want to foster a community of sarcastic assholes any more
Facepunch is a roasting forum.
Facepunch taught me to grow a thicker skin and be able to take some abuse. If everybody was nice all the time and put up with my trash posting, I wouldn't have gotten that.
For some it's just a Garry's Mod forum, or a TF2 forum, or a mapping forum, etc. And there's some that post exclusively in WAYT. A lot of people just keep to those subjects and don't get too involved in bickering, or roasting, etc. There's drama that arises but it only involves a few of the people. [editline]1st September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=AtomicSans;52638921]Facepunch taught me to grow a thicker skin and be able to take some abuse. If everybody was nice all the time and put up with my trash posting, I wouldn't have gotten that.[/QUOTE] I wrote out a response, but I think it'd be better to explain where I'm coming from. Back in elementary school, I was throwing myself at the internet. It was a super entertaining escape. Around the fifth grade I was getting bullied, and I found release in learning how to use Adobe Photoshop and writing music in weird trackers long abandoned since the mid-90's. And staying in these communities, I taught myself how to set up a website, and talking to the wonderful people on the internet has helped me establish my career. I attribute my graphic design, music, audio, and programming abilities entirely to the internet and having people I can turn to for help. The internet is, without question, a major part of my life. It takes up a majority of my social life as well. But, at the time I was being bullied, I'd jump on the internet and deal with a lot of trolls who, in my opinion, also bullied me. I'd come home alienated from pretty much everyone having no friends to an IRC channel with people telling me to commit suicide. Now, I'm not saying that to make anyone feel bad for me - there's no real reason to do so. I'm in a good place right now. But what that taught me is that you don't really know who's on the other side of that monitor. And I can tell you that on this forum right now, there's people dealing with depression, people who are suicidal, people whos' families are breaking apart or turning abusive, people dealing with breakups, and so on. And there's a lot of people on here who are just looking for an escape, or looking for some friends to shoot the shit with, or people who want to have fun with like-minded people. I have no real say over what goes on in this community, but I just offer the opinion that with this community, the goal should be having a good time. People shouldn't need to learn to put up a defense to be able to post on here past being able to take a little ribbing. And people who want to fuck with people who don't want to get fucked with should be on here simply because their disrupting a group. Some people call that a "hugbox", usually with negative connotation. I just see it as another one of my everyday hangouts full of [url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=70740]v[/url]e[url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=242336]r[/url]y i[url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=418065]n[/url]t[url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=239679]e[/url]r[url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=86368]e[/url]s[url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=446598]t[/url]i[url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=487924]n[/url]g [url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=97608]a[/url]n[url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=74507]d[/url] f[url=https://facepunch.com/members/553816]u[/url]n[url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=215684]n[/url]y [url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=351421]p[/url]e[url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=205107]o[/url]p[url=https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=31729]l[/url]e. I don't see it as the "wild west" of posting, and I don't think that should ever, ever be the goal.
So what exactly is being argued for? I've read the same post about "hugboxes" and "thick skins" multiple times now but I must be missing what exactly is being argued for. Moderators changing people's titles has been a thing for god knows how long now. At least as long as I've been around and probably even before then. If you don't like the title, uBlock has a block element function that's built into the context menu, so you can just right click it and block the title. Alternatively if you want to be crafty you can just modify your own title with Greasemonkey / Tampermonkey. Something I don't think anyone has taken into consideration yet is how exactly you would identify "teasing" versus "hazing/insulting/w.e." It'd be next to impossible to moderate this because your opinion of teasing or joking may be completely different from someone else's. Flaming, which is the more extreme end of this, is easier to identify because it's outright harassment and namecalling of someone else. Now, this is just my opinion, but: it's the Internet. People are going to say not-nice things and do not-nice things. That's just the way the world works when you're behind an online persona. If someone is constantly being a disruption to your clique on Facepunch (i.e. shitting up a storm in General Thread communities) then report them to a mod, and they can take it from there. That's their job after all. As for the titles, if you're genuinely wanting to remove them, I'm like 99% positive Hezzy has said on multiple occasions to PM him if you want your title removed. Finally if browsing/posting on Facepunch is impacting you to the point you're starting to feel depressed/anxiety/suicidal or whatever it is, you should really think about moving away from Facepunch and perhaps evaluating whether to visit a local counselor/psychologist to discuss why you're having those problems in the first place.
Is patch.com news allowed as an source for SH? It seems unbiased and legit to me.
[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;52639175]So what exactly is being argued for? I've read the same post about "hugboxes" and "thick skins" multiple times now but I must be missing what exactly is being argued for.[/QUOTE] I was responding to the thought that the people who are made fun of are at fault for it. My post also basically reaffirmed the general direction Facepunch has taken in contrast to its past. There is no specific goal, just a "mission statement", if you need to call it something. [QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;52639175]Finally if browsing/posting on Facepunch is impacting you to the point you're starting to feel depressed/anxiety/suicidal or whatever it is, you should really think about moving away from Facepunch and perhaps evaluating whether to visit a local counselor/psychologist to discuss why you're having those problems in the first place.[/quote] That's not what I was saying. The point I was trying to make is that harsher humor might have a harder impact on whoever's on the side of the screen, and you don't know who the other person is. The reason I said what I did about my life is because I was both young, not experienced, and already vulnerable because of bullying. People shouldn't act like the person on the other side is completely out of touch with reality, but that certain types of humor might just rub salt in their wounds. If you're worried that it'll become impossible to regulate, I totally think the staff is smart enough to distinguish between what is too mean and what isn't, and when someone is genuinely hurt or just being an insincere baby. I guess I've been speaking more general because in the other communities I'm a part of, people are clinging harder onto the "free speech" and "thick skin" defense - especially with people like Mister Metokur pushing those thoughts and a lot of internet companies cracking down on shit posts. I don't want Facepunch to go into that direction and I like the climate we've fostered. People should definitely get help if they need it, though. I totally agree with that. My point is that people shouldn't be dicks [I]especially[/I] because they don't know who's on the other side of the screen, not that I think anyone here is being a dick. But I think this is starting to derail into me just speaking ad nauseum. I made my points. :P
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/zZaYUnY.png[/IMG] happens while logged out someone should probably fix this
[QUOTE=Defalt;52639769][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/zZaYUnY.png[/IMG] happens while logged out someone should probably fix this[/QUOTE] no one can, it doesn't matter anyway
[QUOTE=Defalt;52639769][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/zZaYUnY.png[/IMG] happens while logged out someone should probably fix this[/QUOTE] ublock should fix that issue.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;52638623]Someone was talking about it earlier, and I've been thinking about it: I want to make a distinction between telling users to "chill out" and telling them to "grow thicker skin". Telling someone to grow thicker skin normalizes people being awful. Sure, it's normal for people to encounter unpleasant people in their lives, but people being unpleasant shouldn't be the normal part, and I feel like it doesn't set a good standard for any community. It ends up setting the precedent that if someone feels uncomfortable, it's their fault. This used to be what the Gold Members Forum operated on. If someone wasn't happy with how they were being talked about by the group, it was their fault for looking, or not logging off, or being easy to make fun of. And it eventually took serious moderator intervention to get rid of that toxicity, resulting in bans and lots of users leaving elsewhere. In general, the forum has improved year after year in this regard, which is great. But I still think we should be pushing more and more towards leaving people alone in general. For example, you can look at moderators changing people's titles. I think they're funny at first, but I think they can be harmful in the long run. pentium had that dandruff image for so long and was only killed off because of how imgur works, not because anyone got rid of it. And I feel like that image helps bring up an old post I don't think pentium is necessarily comfortable with or wants representing him. And that in turn makes him feel uncomfortable, more on edge, and a little closer to feeling unfairly judged by the community. It's not just him though. There's also Alice and FunnyStarRunner with their titles too, and I think it has a similar effect. They probably don't want that representing them. I understand it's part of the joke but I don't think their titles should stay like that for forever. At that point it's a bit much. They're little things but they add up with other little things that I think we can do away with in favor of making people feel welcome and comfortable and engaged with one another. With that said: I think people who are disagreeable ought to be either fairly criticized or banned. If they can't handle that, then yeah, they need to figure out how to live life without such a sensitive ego. I dunno, I've always been a proponent of hugboxes. Silliness and light teasing only.[/QUOTE] Hello. 5 years
[QUOTE=wauterboi;52638623] pentium had that dandruff image for so long and was only killed off because of how imgur works, not because anyone got rid of it.[/QUOTE] Actually, it was uploaded on my imgur account, so I chose to delete it, as it was in my right to do so.
I think the forum has been relatively fine for the past 11 years. Sometimes I see people get banned for the smallest things. Other times I seen people get away with terrible shit. We rely on a handful of temporary people to moderate a large forum. It's a social environment that exist under an ever changing rule set. Rules that are again based off the opinions and understanding of the moderators. Some users see the mods being not heavy handed enough, others see mods as being too strict. Not to mention the unspoken users who lie between those sides.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;52637575]You aren't a proper moderator until someone shittalks you in an anonymous hugbox elsewhere on the Internet.[/QUOTE] Mezzo became moderator today :terrists:
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;52637575]You aren't a proper moderator until someone shittalks you in an anonymous hugbox elsewhere on the Internet.[/QUOTE] Gotta step up my game then. [editline]2nd September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=sam6420;52640255]Can't wait til we get AI moderating the forums. Smartness 2.0 here I come.[/QUOTE] Moving away from vB2 was a mistake, in a few ways. :v:
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;52640291]Would be lovely if hooked up with IBM Watson so it also checks the facts in a post.[/QUOTE] Considering how much of the content on here makes little sense, hooking it up to Watson would be a mistake for everyone.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;52640291]Would be lovely if hooked up with IBM Watson so it also checks the facts in a post.[/QUOTE] Cant wait for all of sh to get banned
When did anyone ever say that people getting made fun of, bullied, or harassed is their fault? All I've seen is responses to those, including me, saying that people need a certain degree of self discipline = victim blaming and normalizing negativity, which is not at all true. You're not gonna reshape people into being absolutely perfectly nice all the time. The world simply does not work that way. The best you can do is have the means by which to navigate that landscape, and try to be good to others. By not allowing people to point out when someone is not handling a negative situation appropriately, those always-positive hugbox types are depriving that person of developing mechanisms that are necessary to handle stress. This is nothing but disastrous.
[t]http://www.fuddruckers.com/img/logo.svg[/t]
[QUOTE=Ott;52640694][t]http://www.fuddruckers.com/img/logo.svg[/t][/QUOTE] literally what is funny about this fuddruckers is an incredible restaurant EDIT: oops I thought this was lmao pics
tudd fuckers
[QUOTE=Cock Boner;52640725]literally what is funny about this fuddruckers is an incredible restaurant[/QUOTE] I think he's suggesting that Facepunch hold a meetup at a Fuddruckers in the community's most voted choice of state. [editline]2nd September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=DOG-GY;52640482]You're not gonna reshape people into being absolutely perfectly nice all the time. The world simply does not work that way. The best you can do is have the means by which to navigate that landscape, and try to be good to others. By not allowing people to point out when someone is not handling a negative situation appropriately, those always-positive hugbox types are depriving that person of developing mechanisms that are necessary to handle stress. This is nothing but disastrous.[/QUOTE] I'm gonna PM you about this because I don't want to derail the thread even further.
Kiwi, how many times do you change your avatar cheezes
Imagine having the same avatar for years...
[QUOTE=slayer20;52643044]Imagine having the same avatar for years...[/QUOTE] hi
[QUOTE=slayer20;52643044]Imagine having the same avatar for years...[/QUOTE] That would suck.
[QUOTE=slayer20;52643044]Imagine having the same avatar for years...[/QUOTE] Im wearing this since day one, even though I could get a bigger, animated one
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