• Proof Evolution Is Wrong
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What's so different about believing that a god "just is" and a universe "just became"? You could say Creationists have faith in "God" while Big Bang believers have faith in science.
[QUOTE=lemon_lover;25862681]What's so different about believing that a god "just is" and a universe "just became"? You could say Creationists have faith in "God" while Big Bang believers have faith in science.[/QUOTE] sigh nobody believes that the universe "just is" people are waiting for an explanation for the universe when they get one, they'll make conclusions
[QUOTE=plazzydan;25862996]sigh nobody believes that the universe "just is" people are waiting for an explanation for the universe when they get one, they'll make conclusions[/QUOTE] I understand this. What I am saying is what is the difference between thinking there is some god out there that has always been and believing that there are membranes interacting in another dimension creating separate universes? They both were either created by something which has always been or have always existed themselves. I think theistic religions are just a simpler way of trying understanding the creation of the universe.
[QUOTE=lemon_lover;25863315]I think theistic religions are just a simpler way of trying understanding the creation of the universe.[/QUOTE] That's what they try for, but it only gives an even more impossible way of describing the creation of the universe. People will say, "oh, God just created the universe, it's easy", but then who created God? How do you scientifically describe God and all that he supposedly did? It only creates more questions and it's completely illogical.
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[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;25857990]Evolution should be considered a fact, not a theory.[/QUOTE] Funny that you mention that... Scientifically speaking, Evolution is a fact of nature. The "Theory" is Natural Selection, which was proposed by Darwin. There is no question that animals evolve over time; creationists who try to argue this are so stupid and wrong that it hurts me. The only part that WAS EVER REMOTELY DEBATABLE FOR A SHORT TIME was Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection (the concept that more favorable mutations eventually become more common, thus causing evolution) which, as is evidenced by its name, is just as far beyond argument as the Theory of Atoms and the Theory of Gravity and all that other evil science mumbo-jumbo.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;25864263]That's what they try for, but it only gives an even more impossible way of describing the creation of the universe. People will say, "oh, God just created the universe, it's easy", [b]but then who created God? How do you scientifically describe God and all that he supposedly did?[/b] It only creates more questions and it's completely illogical.[/QUOTE] Exactly, but that also occurs in science as well. Certain theories have gotten to the point of near completion but then you still have to ask "But what created that?" For example, IIRC (been out of the science loop for a while) there's a theory of the big bang coming from two membranes colliding, but then where did the membranes come from? Some people are scared of the fact that they have no idea what created them, so they default to something they can understand, however illogical that may be.
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herp derp natural selection
[QUOTE=lemon_lover;25864672]Exactly, but that also occurs in science as well. Certain theories have gotten to the point of near completion but then you still have to ask "But what created that?" For example, IIRC (been out of the science loop for a while) there's a theory of the big bang coming from two membranes colliding, but then where did the membranes come from? Some people are scared of the fact that they have no idea what created them, so they default to something they can understand, however illogical that may be.[/QUOTE] what the whole membranes thing is a hypothesis, it's just a guess. it has nothing to do with hard science. what the fuck are you even trying to say?
I don't really know physics very well, I was just providing an example. Basically, there is no proof of god and there hasn't yet been a unifying theory of the universe so someone has to "have faith" in one or the other. Creationists who bash atheists for not believing in god, and atheists who bash Creationists for believing in god are retarded. They're both putting their trust into something that hasn't yet been proven.
Athiests don't believe in god. What are they putting faith in?
[QUOTE=lemon_lover;25865110]Creationists who bash atheists for not believing in god, and atheists who bash Creationists for believing in god are retarded. They're both putting their trust into something that hasn't yet been proven.[/QUOTE]Evolution is taught in Catholic schools for a reason.
[QUOTE=Jookia;25865182]Athiests don't believe in god. What are they putting faith in?[/QUOTE] I don't mean faith literally. And I mean believing that there [i]is[/i] a unifying theory of the universe. [editline]5th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Badballer;25865192]Evolution is taught in Catholic schools for a reason.[/QUOTE] Evolution ≠ Big Bang
[QUOTE=lemon_lover;25865235]I don't mean faith literally. And I mean believing that there [I]is[/I] a unifying theory of the universe.[/QUOTE] Athiests don't believe in a deity. That doesn't mean they believe in a unifying theory. It just means they don't believe in a god.
[QUOTE=lemon_lover;25865235]Evolution ≠ Big Bang[/QUOTE] Ah, true. I thought you were talking about evolution before.
[QUOTE=Jookia;25865251]Athiests don't believe in a deity. That doesn't mean they believe in a unifying theory. It just means they don't believe in a god.[/QUOTE] I was using atheist for lack of a better word for someone-who-believes-in-a-unifying-theory
[QUOTE=lemon_lover;25865284]I was using atheist for lack of a better word for someone-who-believes-in-a-unifying-theory[/QUOTE] So you pick something completely unrelated? Creationists believe in a unifying theory: Creationism.
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[QUOTE=lemon_lover;25865110]I don't really know physics very well, I was just providing an example. Basically, there is no proof of god and there hasn't yet been a unifying theory of the universe so someone has to "have faith" in one or the other. Creationists who bash atheists for not believing in god, and atheists who bash Creationists for believing in god are retarded. They're both putting their trust into something that hasn't yet been proven.[/QUOTE] but no scientist would claim that any given unifying theory hypothesis is true that's the fucking point of science, you don't believe in something until it's proven scientists don't believe in any unifying theory [editline]5th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=lemon_lover;25865284]I was using atheist for lack of a better word for someone-who-believes-in-a-unifying-theory[/QUOTE] what the fuck does that have to do with atheists THEISTS ARE HORRIBLE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE BLACK PEOPLE ARE IMPURE WHITE PEOPLE what i was just using theist as a stand in for mormon
what a dumbass bible thumper maybe he should stop reading that bible and read a real book
Transitional species huh, well heres the Human evolutionary stages cocksucker. [URL=http://img42.imageshack.us/i/hominids2big.jpg/][IMG]http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/745/hominids2big.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Crocoduck... seriously fucken hell.. I guess his 100% factual bible is any better? despite the fact it mentions Unicorns, Giants, people living to 900 years old, blatant inconsistancies and a guy living inside a fish..
I have always asked myself the same question, if the big bang occured from nothing (correct me if i'm wrong) and the big bang being an enormous amount of energy, how does life come from such an event?
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;28224214]I have always asked myself the same question, if the big bang occured from nothing (correct me if i'm wrong) and the big bang being an enormous amount of energy, how does life come from such an event?[/QUOTE] Life did NOT come from the big bang. Millions of years after the bang, the right combination of natural occurrences formed life.
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I am so sick and tired of Science vs. Religion babble. They have absolutely [b]NOTHING[/b] to do with each other. Science studies shit, they take notes and try to make sense out of it, why would someone be against it? Religion on the other hand was made to give hope for hopeless people. To give people an easy answer, after all people didn't know shit back then long time ago. And so it forged into what it is today, when (imo at least) Religion should be about matters that are beyond science, like for example the generic "Where are we going?" question, which is imo a pretty interesting one. Also the morals which we have established by now though, religion also helps drug addicts and helps people struggling with their own problems or to simply be at peace. As for most of the things, maybe people will lose interest eventually, even about religion.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;25857990]Evolution should be considered a fact, not a theory.[/QUOTE] A theory is the closest something can get to a fact in science. The theory of gravity is a theory. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=lemon_lover;25862681]What's so different about believing that a god "just is" and a universe "just became"? You could say Creationists have faith in "God" while Big Bang believers have faith in science.[/QUOTE] Its not faith if you believe in it because it has proof backing it up. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=lemon_lover;25863315]I understand this. What I am saying is what is the difference between thinking there is some god out there that has always been and believing that there are membranes interacting in another dimension creating separate universes?[/QUOTE] proof. [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=lemon_lover;25865110]I don't really know physics very well, I was just providing an example. Basically, there is no proof of god and there hasn't yet been a unifying theory of the universe so someone has to "have faith" in one or the other. Creationists who bash atheists for not believing in god, and atheists who bash Creationists for believing in god are retarded. They're both putting their trust into something that hasn't yet been proven.[/QUOTE] No the big bang theory has proof. Something that does not have proof is a hypothesis and even if its a theory no one ever believes in it 100% [editline]22nd February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=lemon_lover;25865235]I don't mean faith literally. And I mean believing that there [i]is[/i] a unifying theory of the universe. [/QUOTE] Believing that the universe might be described over time with a few theories is not faith.
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