• My Anti-Piracy Idea
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[QUOTE=gman003-main;21955357]I'll go out and say the analogy your hinting at to the conqueror/insurgency paradigm. I will now point out that plenty of insurgencies have been defeated by brute strength. [/quote] There's no such thing as brute strength in military warfare. A general just doesn't say "You lot! Just go out there and hit people with your swords." You will never find a war, battle, or skirmish fought without the application of tactics. [quote] Look at the ancient Romans. When they defeated a rebellion, they did so by ruthless extermination. It worked. It may not be the cheapest or most effective way, but it works. [/quote] Please don't bring the Romans into this. [quote] You're also ignoring the flip side of my idea: by reducing the number of pirates, the executives may be more willing to reduce DRM. That in turn will convert some pirates into customers, reducing the number of pirates, et cetera, ad infinitum, qu[B]o[/B]d erat demonstra[B]n[/B]dum.[/QUOTE] No, it will just piss the pirates off. I also fixed your Q.E.D., though I couldn't make it or ad infinitum actually make sense in the sentence.
I want to know why Ubisoft couldn't just sue the companies hosting site like Pirate Bay instead of DRM Just ask for a court Order to make the site admins delete any torrents that are illegal. And ban the users who uploaded them.
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;21955450]I want to know why Ubisoft couldn't just sue the companies hosting site like Pirate Bay instead of DRM Just ask for a court Order to make the site admins delete any torrents that are illegal. And ban the users who uploaded them.[/QUOTE] TPB existed in Sweden, Sweden mostly didn't give a damn.
[QUOTE=ashxu;21955414]Warez boards are forums that share warez. Either links that they uploaded or ones they know are real. Your idea is now invalid. [/thread][/QUOTE] I do believe I had a sentence talking about those, but I'll elaborate. There's a reason most people pirate from BT, not a board. BT is faster, less traceable (in theory) and more open. Yes, people will start to shift back to boards, but some will find it easier to buy the game than to find a good warez forum that's likely to be DMCA'd out of existence sooner or later. edit: [quote=RichardCQ]There's no such thing as brute strength in military warfare. A general just doesn't say "You lot! Just go out there and hit people with your swords." You will never find a war, battle, or skirmish fought without the application of tactics.[/quote] Brute strength is a tactic. Brute strength was how Russia survived WW2. Brute strength was the basis of the Cold War. Besides, this isn't about brute strength. Straight-up force would be suing every tracker, warez board and bootleg CD burner in the country. [quote=RichardCQ]Please don't bring the Romans into this.[/quote] Fine, shall I bring in the Greeks, Mongols, Macedonians, Persians, Chinese or any other military empire? [quote=RichardCQ]No, it will just piss the pirates off. [/quote] That's kind of the point. Annoy the pirates, not the users. [quote=RichardCQ]I also fixed your Q.E.D., though I couldn't make it or ad infinitum actually make sense in the sentence.[/quote] The ad infinitum was to show that when piracy reduces, the DRM is reduced, causing more pirates to switch, causing less DRM. The QED was just for show. Quidquid latine dicitur, altum videtur and all that.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;21955476]I do believe I had a sentence talking about those, but I'll elaborate. There's a reason most people pirate from BT, not a board. BT is faster, less traceable (in theory) and more open. Yes, people will start to shift back to boards, but some will find it easier to buy the game than to find a good warez forum that's likely to be DMCA'd out of existence sooner or later.[/QUOTE] [quote=board denizen example] Hey guys you know how we can't find a torrent for x? Here it is [url]http://link.com/x-full-rip-skullptura.torrent[/url][/quote]
[QUOTE=gman003-main;21955382]Counter: search tracker until you find a real, cracked copy. Flag it as a fake. Next pirate comes along, sees yet another copy commented as fake, moves on. The game of cat and mouse (or whatever animal analogy) will go on forever. This idea of mine is just one step.[/QUOTE] Counter: captchas. The end.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;21955476]I do believe I had a sentence talking about those, but I'll elaborate. There's a reason most people pirate from BT, not a board. BT is faster, less traceable (in theory) and more open. Yes, people will start to shift back to boards, but some will find it easier to buy the game than to find a good warez forum that's likely to be DMCA'd out of existence sooner or later.[/QUOTE] How is Torrenting faster? You don't know if it's legit or contains a virus besides a handful of comments. On a forum, you can choose the topic with the most posts. The speed isn't super fast, but it's guaranteed to be decent.
Notice how developers like Ubisoft get their shit pirated up the ass? Notice how valve has millions of legit buyers and almost no pirates compared to other developers? Because they sell their games at reasonable prices, splinter cell conviction is like 7 hours long and it fully priced at 70-60 dollars. The only way to get rid of piracy is to stop all of that anti piracy bullshit people have to put up with.
[QUOTE=fenwick;21955515]Counter: captchas. The end.[/QUOTE] Counter-counter: Minimum wage temp workers.
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;21955523]Counter-counter: Minimum wage temp workers.[/QUOTE] It's not very effective...
[QUOTE=fenwick;21955535]It's not very effective...[/QUOTE] Nor is it efficient, but it'd work.
This can easily be countered by just looking at the file sizes for instance. Dumb idea has actually been done before. Not to spammy extent, but there have been fake torrents put up by the company to trick pirates and trace them down. Also DRM isn't really used to combat pirates, rather the main reason it seems to be there is to combat second-hand sales. With the install limits and all.
[QUOTE=RichardCQ;21955563]Nor is it efficient, [b]but it'd work[/b].[/QUOTE] No, not really to be honest
[QUOTE=B1N4RY!;21955580]No, not really to be honest[/QUOTE] Go on.
[QUOTE=ashxu;21955519]How is Torrenting faster? You don't know if it's legit or contains a virus besides a handful of comments. On a forum, you can choose the topic with the most posts. The speed isn't super fast, but it's guaranteed to be decent.[/QUOTE] It's much faster to download, if it's being seeded. It's a bit easier to find, with the massive tracker search engines that I won't name for fear of being banned. You generally don't have to register. edit: [quote=potatoefp]This can easily be countered by just looking at the file sizes for instance. Dumb idea has actually been done before. Not to spammy extent, but there have been fake torrents put up by the company to trick pirates and trace them down. Also DRM isn't really used to combat pirates, rather the main reason it seems to be there is to combat second-hand sales. With the install limits and all. [/quote] Padding a file to a reasonable size is trivial. From the articles I read on Gamasutra, most developers use DRM against pirates. Many DRM schemes let you deauthorize a copy, which makes it's counter-used-sale capabilities useless. Sure, it does affect used sales, but that's a side effect, not the purpose. [quote=RichardCQ] Totally haven't heard that one before. [/quote] OK, a bunch of freakish Japanese porn games that can't be bought in the US. Heard that one before, or will I need to come up with a more inventive lie?
Problems: Most pirates get their games from sources other than public trackers. Captchas. It's also illegal to spam, especially since it's spamming misinformation. Plus, in order for it to work, the businesses would have to participate in uploading to public trackers and contribute to overall piracy. Also, many sites implement a hash checking system so that duplicate uploads cannot be produced. This makes it much more labor intensive, since you'd have to change each upload manually in order to spam. Besides, once found to be a demo, people won't seed, so others won't download.
no
congratulations on the dumb idea op. [editline]02:11AM[/editline] lets break a law so we can stop people breaking the law. We're setting good examples guys!
that's... not very smart
SShhhhh, don't give them ideas!
RedLynx did a similar thing to drum up interest in their latest game. They put out a torrent, claiming it was a leaked and cracked copy of the full thing, when in reality it was the game without Leaderboard features or Online Play. So far, all connections to the Leaderboard (in the full game) have been legit, and linked to email addresses and purchases. Advertising through torrents, or indeed releasing extended demos seems to get more interest. Personally, longer demos would probably give people a much better feel for the game. Many Pirates do it because the game in question has no demo, and who wants to waste £40 on a game that might not even be any good?
This just in: Piracy can't be stopped. The only way to do something is to make your products as easily accessible as the pirated ones, and make sure that it isn't incrediexpensive.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;21958334]This just in: Piracy can't be stopped. The only way to do something is to make your products as easily accessible as the pirated ones, and make sure that it isn't incrediexpensive.[/QUOTE] This just in. yes it can. Piracy could be stopped, it's just that to do so would be to resort to malicious approaches. They could, and it's starting to get that way. If it does happen, I'm blaming the fucking pirates.
Attack pirates? No you would be getting a bollocking by them. If you are so pissed off about the issue, THEN just stay away, simple
Won't work anyways, theres some pretty private torrent sites out there.
No.
It will not work. You cannot win against pirates like that. The best solution to win against piracy is to make the games free to play and then have worthy DLC that is cheap. [editline]08:02PM[/editline] You can't pirate what is already free.
It would be way more effective for a company to make a decent and [B]representatieve [/B]demo of the game. If the demo isn't fun I won't bother buying/pirating. If it is fun, I'll try to buy it. It's that simple.
[QUOTE=BCell;21958760]It will not work. You cannot win against pirates like that. The best solution to win against piracy is to make the games free to play and then have worthy DLC that is cheap. [editline]08:02PM[/editline] You can't pirate what is already free.[/QUOTE] Then they'll just pirate the DLC.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;21961100]Then they'll just pirate the DLC.[/QUOTE] you do cry a lot don't you......
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