Forum Discussion v6 - Newpunch Migration Underway - General

[QUOTE=Killuah;53056424]Isn't this a bit like "you can not let others see that you have concerns, better to keep people split about glaring issues" tactic?[/QUOTE] give me a break, this is a public forum not a rogue state, you aren't being culture farmed or socially engineered, tudd isnt paying off the mods so he can keep his account, hezzy isnt just going to ban a controversial user just because people flame him too often

[QUOTE=Killuah;53056424]Isn't this a bit like "you can not let others see that you have concerns, better to keep people split about glaring issues" tactic?[/QUOTE] You want Tudd off the forums, provide actual proof he breaks the rules instead of wanting him banned because his opinions don't match the majority view. And far from him being a pet of the mods, most of them don't even want the dweeb around. It's just that he has to break the existing rules before he gets banned, or a post of his that breaks the rules has to be reported using PM or the report button. As for being afraid of getting banned for shit report, don't report him unless you're sure that post actually broke one of the existing rules. And by the way he isn't ban proof either, just look at his event log, anytime he broke the rules he got banned like everybody else has.

[quote]If you have a complaint about the Moderators or policy, please PM me. Do not post about it in this thread.[/quote] [QUOTE=Hezzy;53055657]Same rules as the last thread.[/QUOTE] Genuine question and I'm not sure if it qualifies as a complaint. What if we feel like a moderator or group of moderators will not listen to complaints for whatever reason? Obviously it's not like we can start a motion of no confidence.

I don't quite know what brought you guys to these responses. Believe it or not but I didn't mention that specific issue on purpose, why did you feel like bringing it into this discussion? I am just a bit unhappy that we are now not allowed to discuss forum related stuff like policy and mods in public anymore. I don't like the implications and I don't like the reason for having that rule which is the mods not wanting to deal with that stuff in public. I also don't like it because sometimes issues come to light BECAUSE we were able to discuss them in public. It just gives off a bad vibe to me. And imagine we have another Reagy situation? Do mods really look forward to waking up to 150+ PMs about immature lewd animu avatars or whatever the issue will be instead of one spammed thread that was made for discussion anyway and doesn't phase anyone who isn't actively reading/clicking it anyway? [editline]16th January 2018[/editline] I'll shut up about it now, it's boring me as well. THx for having a new thread Hezzy.

Personally I feel that Hezzy is right in keeping any drama regarding moderators/user complaints in PM because of a few reasons. Firstly you do not want to start a witch hunt. When you make a public complaint and get a bunch of people riled up it can really make a huge mess of everything. Secondly by making the complaint privately it allows Hezzy to actively gauge how severe the situation is, instead of a bunch of people chiming in with their two cents. If it was really bad then a lot of complaints would come in, making it more obvious there's a problem. Finally it's just more professional to handle any moderation issues in private, and makes the site as a whole look much better when it's handled as such.

[QUOTE=Nookyava;53056561]Secondly by making the complaint privately it allows Hezzy to actively gauge how severe the situation is, instead of a bunch of people chiming in with their two cents. If it was really bad then a lot of complaints would come in, making it more obvious there's a problem.[/QUOTE] Counterpoint: If people are feeling that the mods ignore issues brought up in the thread and nothing gets done even there's public agreement that there's an issue, why would they then bother to PM?

why don't we just give tudd mod again and let the issue sort itself out

[QUOTE=Paramud;53056538]Genuine question and I'm not sure if it qualifies as a complaint. What if we feel like a moderator or group of moderators will not listen to complaints for whatever reason? Obviously it's not like we can start a motion of no confidence.[/QUOTE] We will take on board views of the community but ultimately the final decision rests with us.

I say we eliminate Tudd using Garry's League of Private Assassins

[QUOTE=Samiam22;53056722]Counterpoint: If people are feeling that the mods ignore issues brought up in the thread and nothing gets done even there's public agreement that there's an issue, why would they then bother to PM?[/QUOTE] Contrary to popular belief we DON'T sweep issues under the rug, pretty much any major thing gets discussed in mod chat. Just because we don't come to the same conclusion as you, doesn't mean we don't care about it.

I know this isn't a really important issue, but the rules in the register page are shown twice: [t]https://files.catbox.moe/3wuz9k.png[/t] I feel like it harms presentation a little bit. Hopefully it's fixed easily.

[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1591225[/url] Does this mean that invasion threads are fine again? Or is it a special case because it's Hezzy and an FP game?

[QUOTE=Samiam22;53056722]Counterpoint: If people are feeling that the mods ignore issues brought up in the thread and nothing gets done even there's public agreement that there's an issue, why would they then bother to PM?[/QUOTE] I much prefer when I manage my other community that I receive a PM with different instances of proof, issues, etc. that then I can handle privately. I am certain that Hezzy does not ignore people who come to him with actual issues that are well detailed out. He's asked repeatedly for people to privately message him regarding any issues with mods/users but everyone is painting him to be the bad guy in this situation, and ignoring his request. He has good reasons for it, and I am certain that there would be better resolution on these issues if people heeded his request.

With Mod TNA created and we’re no longer allowed to discuss users [i]or[/i] policy then I don’t really see the point of this thread. The original thread was created to encompass all of those things and now they’ve all been forcibly removed from this thread with the implication of being banned. IOW why was this thread created again? It has no purpose other than the very occasional post about NewPunch, so I’m just failing to see the point of reviving this shell of a thread. Moreover I’m curious on what the actual intent of this thread is from the mods’ POV if all of this discussion has been effectively outlawed.

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;53057293]With Mod TNA created and we’re no longer allowed to discuss users [i]or[/i] policy then I don’t really see the point of this thread. The original thread was created to encompass all of those things and now they’ve all been forcibly removed from this thread with the implication of being banned. IOW why was this thread created again? It has no purpose other than the very occasional post about NewPunch, so I’m just failing to see the point of reviving this shell of a thread. Moreover I’m curious on what the actual intent of this thread is from the mods’ POV if all of this discussion has been effectively outlawed.[/QUOTE] the mod tna thread is more about becoming friendlier with the mods personally and getting to know them more, which as i see it, is beyond the scope of this thread.

Hezzy I think you're a great dude trying to keep all the chickens in check on this forum but banning moderation complaints or policy inquiries (i mean maybe your not banning that but it seems like it) is tbh kinda shit I get that like witch hunts happen from time to time, whether it be reagy or kiwi or crap or even you but you gotta deal with that shit. Managing communities means your gonna get shit on every once and a while and loading it to the DM's in my opinion isn't appropriate esp for public record i mean this thread is to discuss the forums and the forums revolve around policy and mods, you can't have a thread about making a cake if you've banned talking about the ingredients. Also to nook's thing, I manage a gaming community as well and unless one of my admins has gone out of their way to target an individual person which would require a private complaint, I don't see the harm in having an open discussion about a moderator/admin. It causes two things to happen: - Behavioural changes - A set of expectations by the community If the admin/mod has their head shoved so far up their arse that all they can smell is shit then I got no use for 'em

[QUOTE=NightmareX91;53057306]the mod tna thread is more about becoming friendlier with the mods personally and getting to know them more, which as i see it, is beyond the scope of this thread.[/QUOTE] You’re correct. By that same token, it has also stripped the casual mood with the mods entirely from this thread as that’s the purpose of Mod TNA’s existence. So my questions still remains, what was the point of this thread’s revival and furthermore with the new changes, what are mods hoping to get out of it?

[QUOTE=Killuah;53056794][url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1591225[/url] Does this mean that invasion threads are fine again? Or is it a special case because it's Hezzy and an FP game?[/QUOTE] not sure what you mean by invasion threads that weren't allowed. the only time i remember banning 'invasions' was if it was like raiding some dude's forum or something? this is just basically getting a bunch of facepunchers together into a server and just calling it an invasion, so i don't really see the harm.

Plus it's an official Rust server, raiding is the name of the game imo. Far removed from e.g. shitting on someone's private server or spamming their forums.

[QUOTE=postal;53057365]not sure what you mean by invasion threads that weren't allowed. the only time i remember banning 'invasions' was if it was like raiding some dude's forum or something? this is just basically getting a bunch of facepunchers together into a server and just calling it an invasion, so i don't really see the harm.[/QUOTE] Also it’s a public server for a game and it’s not asking for anyone to break the rules, just be weirdos that run around naked

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;53057315]i mean this thread is to discuss the forums and the forums revolve around policy and mods, you can't have a thread about making a cake if you've banned talking about the ingredients.[/QUOTE] Perfect analogy. Not just in a forum, but anywhere with management, if you punish people for giving negative feedback, you'll eventually only find yourself surrounded by silence or encouragement. You run the risk of deluding yourself into believing that every move you make is the right one, and that anyone who says otherwise are just part of a vocal minority that you can disregard. It's a recipe for disaster. I hope the mods can avoid this tendency.

[QUOTE=postal;53057365]not sure what you mean by invasion threads that weren't allowed. the only time i remember banning 'invasions' was if it was like raiding some dude's forum or something? this is just basically getting a bunch of facepunchers together into a server and just calling it an invasion, so i don't really see the harm.[/QUOTE] pool's closed We've had the "no invasions" rule set after the whole Habbo thing because Garry didn't want to get into legal troubles at the time

[QUOTE=Killuah;53057449]pool's closed We've had the "no invasions" rule set after the whole Habbo thing because Garry didn't want to get into legal troubles at the time[/QUOTE] Considering that this invasion happens to be one of Garry’s own games I don’t thibk he’d mind

[QUOTE=Killuah;53057449]pool's closed We've had the "no invasions" rule set after the whole Habbo thing because Garry didn't want to get into legal troubles at the time[/QUOTE] Doesn't sound like me tbh

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53057376] just be weirdos that run around naked[/QUOTE] Fairly certain FP do that anyway, not just in rust.

There's scripts to make newpunch look like this site I believe, why not make that an option and ask people when they migrate accounts?

Is this the Facepunch Official HLDM thread?

[QUOTE=TheBorealis;53057978]There's scripts to make newpunch look like this site I believe, why not make that an option and ask people when they migrate accounts?[/QUOTE] because it's a third party script and as a result it should be up to the user's volition if they want to seek it out or not. by making it an option in the migration process, the responsibility of the script would be placed onto garry rather than teddybeer. it's not officially supported, and it doesn't need to be.

[QUOTE=NightmareX91;53058053]because it's a third party script and as a result it should be up to the user's volition if they want to seek it out or not. by making it an option in the migration process, the responsibility of the script would be placed onto garry rather than teddybeer. it's not officially supported, and it doesn't need to be.[/QUOTE] I mean officially implement a theme for the site that looks like this one.

[QUOTE=TheBorealis;53058061]I mean officially implement a theme for the site that looks like this one.[/QUOTE] garry added custom css as a feature so he [I]wouldn't[/I] need to do something like that just to please us