• 25I-NBOME & 25C-NBOME
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[QUOTE=Memnoth;40001506]I was making the statement that spiritual gain through psychedelics with almost equal psychedelic intensity has a higher favor with the one among the two that has an added property of euphoria. I assumed that MDMA would be left out of the context considering the spiritual gain and psychedelic properties is not on the same level as LSD nor 25I-NBOMe.[/QUOTE] Oh, I thought you just meant the more euphoria, the better it is. I suppose I agree with you to an extent then, as I said LSD can also offer euphoria but since it is a psychedelic it's not a guaranteed effect, and I suppose phenethylamines generally have more "forced" euphoria than tryptamines that seem to be (in my experience) more dependent on set and setting for a successful trip. Then again while a bad and frightening trip may not be as enjoyable one [I]usually [/I](not always) gains more from these than from euphoric and positive trips.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;40002247]Then again while a bad and frightening trip may not be as enjoyable one [I]usually [/I](not always) gains more from these than from euphoric and positive trips.[/QUOTE] I agree with the rest of your post. Though I have a slight curious approach to this statement. I have never personally nor experienced a friend benefit from a bad trip, have you ever benefited from a bad trip? A friend of mine gained phobic behavior against weed and psychedelics in general after he got a bad trip from swallowing 4 doses of mushrooms and two blotters of LSD while drunk, resulting in him sitting in the middle of the street screaming in pure fear without wearing any pants. Man, the amount of fear implied in that experience have my out-most sympathy.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40002441]I agree with the rest of your post. Though I have a slight curious approach to this statement. I have never personally nor experienced a friend benefit from a bad trip, have you ever benefited from a bad trip? A friend of mine gained phobic behavior against weed and psychedelics in general after he got a bad trip from swallowing 4 doses of mushrooms and two blotters of LSD while drunk, resulting in him sitting in the middle of the street screaming in pure fear without wearing any pants. Man, the amount of fear implied in that experience have my out-most sympathy.[/QUOTE] I know that must have been beyond horrible for him, but I couldn't resist laughing. I have a dark sense of humor, and there is no doubt in my mind that that was traumatizing for him, but I still, unfortunately, find it humorous.
[QUOTE=Appellation;40002598]I know that must have been beyond horrible for him, but I couldn't resist laughing. I have a dark sense of humor, and there is no doubt in my mind that that was traumatizing for him, but I still, unfortunately, find it humorous.[/QUOTE] No I can see the humor too, acknowledging it just seems taboo. Imagine if he was screaming for the purpose of getting pants from someone, stopping traffic going "I HAVE AN UNMET SOCIAL EXPECTATION TO WEAR PANTS, I NEED IMMEDIATE CONSULTATION ON HOW TO RESOLVE THIS SITUATION". Edit: People terrified at the notion of a man not meeting the social standard of wearing pants called the police who searched the entire city for some pants. Later, an FBI investigation concluded "He must have forgotten to put his pants on before leaving the residential area".
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40002441]I agree with the rest of your post. Though I have a slight curious approach to this statement. I have never personally nor experienced a friend benefit from a bad trip, have you ever benefited from a bad trip? A friend of mine gained phobic behavior against weed and psychedelics in general after he got a bad trip from swallowing 4 doses of mushrooms and two blotters of LSD while drunk, resulting in him sitting in the middle of the street screaming in pure fear without wearing any pants. Man, the amount of fear implied in that experience have my out-most sympathy.[/QUOTE] Yeah I've had my share of bad trips. Have never put myself in a similar situation as your friend though, but I did get lighter psychosis once from pushing mental limits and underestimating the effects of weed mixed with psychedelics (4-ho-dpt) in the mind of a boy who was at the time prone to anxiety and paranoia from weed. While an important lesson gained from this was to respect psychedelics more, experiences like this gave me something even more important for my future drug career; a much more drug-hardened and stable mind, easily capable of resisting the psychological torture such experiences can bring with them if one gives in to negative emotion. Oh and I learned I'm not prone to schizophrenia lol I've had a bad trip on shrooms and several on 2c-e as well. On shrooms it was paranoia from smoking a bit of weed at the end and being too lazy with handling the smell properly (didn't blow the smoke out my window, didn't put out the bowl in-between hits etc) while still living with my parents. This trip served as a reminder and I started smoking very carefully and smell-proof again. Most of my 2c-e bad trips have been from taking too much. 2c-e (along with many 2c's) has a sweet-spot where I get a great trip with great amounts of euphoria (~20mg), if I went a few milligrams below it the trip would be rather underwhelming, if I went a few milligrams above it the trip changed completely. The euphoria dies down and I'm filled with an emotional emptiness. The visuals stop taking on the shape of elaborate fractal patterns, fuzzy and soft walls, brighter, "deeper" lights, e.t.c. Instead everything just becomes like clay and starts to look stupid. All faces on the tv for example looked very pressed together and fake, all sounds became really weird to listen to as mental emphasis was placed on the silence between the sounds e.t.c. I reached this state 3 times spaced pretty far in-between and every time I spent half of the trip cursing myself for taking this much and getting stuck in negative thought-loops, thinking "wow this isn't even slightly enjoyable" "this is fucking stupid" "why did you take 25 damn it" e.t.c. I always swore that I'd never take such a dose again and the trip would start becoming more enjoyable towards the end, but after a few months I'd feel experimental and do the same thing :v: (though the third time it was due to a faulty scale). The last bad trip I had was also with 2c-e, but this time it wasn't due to taking too much but rather due to some internal worries I had, like being incredibly lazy and never putting any effort on schoolwork e.t.c. I had a moment where I just went through my flaws and planned and decided how I would tackle them, made ambitious plans to become a brand new man e.t.c. After this the 2c-e let me free to go enjoy the rest of the trip. It really felt like 2c-e was a beautiful woman with some really dark sides, but they only appeared because she cared for you and wanted you to look over yourself introspectively and improve, and when the mental decision to do this had been made the trip completely changed from darkness to a glowing sun of warmth and happiness for me to enjoy. None of these ambitious plans to improve ever really stuck though, motivation only goes so far and very soon I'd fall in to my old patterns again. Psychedelics have changed me profoundly, but it is not due to any one grand trip where my life was turned upside down but rather a slow change from little pieces gained with each trip. There are probably other bad trips I've had but I forget, too fried atm and too much weed has been consumed during my drug career, it's all like a fog now lol
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;40004343]There are probably other bad trips I've had but I forget, too fried atm and too much weed has been consumed during my drug career, it's all like a fog now lol[/QUOTE] It seems that the only benefit you've had from bad trips is adapting an effort in trying to avoid having more of them. Thanks for the long post though, must have taken ages to write.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40004467]It seems that the only benefit you've had from bad trips is adapting an effort in trying to avoid having more of them. Thanks for the long post though, must have taken ages to write.[/QUOTE] Indeed, though it wasn't really a consciously forced adaption but rather a subconscious increase in tolerance to the negative effects of drugs. I stopped being as bothered and easily controlled by negative emotions, felt them less and less when getting high as well. Before I always got some anxiety from weed, now I haven't had a bad trip or paranoid high for maybe 2-3 years, so yeah at least I got something out of it :) And yes, took me some time to write but most of the time was spent getting distracted as usual lol. I've been testing the waters of amphetamine psychosis for a few hours now though, so I should probably go to sleep :v:
may be doing a tab tonight, fingers crossed! once again, i didn't trip. i got scared at zeldas music, and thought a moon on a sheet on my friends wall was smiling at me. doing 2 next time -_- all this munny just for a decent i25 trip.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40000635]As it possesses euphoric properties as well, it would make the individual less prone to having a bad trip. Undoubtedly, though in this context I would make the connection that euphoric axiomatically meets the criteria of "better" as it is the subjective experience of positive emotions.[/QUOTE] I always get mad euphoria on lsd, I can't stop grinning the whole time im tripping :v: [editline]24th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Memnoth;40002441]I agree with the rest of your post. Though I have a slight curious approach to this statement. I have never personally nor experienced a friend benefit from a bad trip, have you ever benefited from a bad trip? A friend of mine gained phobic behavior against weed and psychedelics in general after he got a bad trip from swallowing 4 doses of mushrooms and two blotters of LSD while drunk, resulting in him sitting in the middle of the street screaming in pure fear without wearing any pants. Man, the amount of fear implied in that experience have my out-most sympathy.[/QUOTE] I have benefited from all of my bad trips, its made me way less fearful and more confident and able to deal with difficult situations better and has given me a feeling of empowerment knowing that I have the ability to make it through a tough situation even if I think im going to die for sure.
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It's not euphoric, it's manic Volatile, fragile, tranparent
It's psychedelic; it can be both! All depends on your state of mind :)
Its a very malleable (sp?) drug I'm three/four hours into what is undeniably one of the most powerful trips I've ever had... but I've never felt vulnerable to the drug. It doesnt permeate the ego. It runs wild with your mind, not the other way around. It feels insincere. Fun, beautiful... but immature, almost. Doesn't invalidate the drug. The dark edge is intriguing [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] For a few brief windows, it's there with such intensity it cannot be denied. But for the rest of the time, you feel "sober"
Cold and analytical is oft used to describe 25x's and 2c's, but it is merely one of the many mindsets the drug can produce. I tend to switch between being an analytical, intellectual machine and being immensely emotional with feelings of great euphoria and warmth, though the euphoric state appears more often on lower doses. As all psych's it's a complex drug reflecting your own mind and can take you to many different parts of town. But yes the headspace is clearer and you often feel sober even though you are completely fucked up. The best way to remedy this is to smoke some weed. It will make you more aware of and engulfed by the trip, as well as adding another layer of complexity and intensity to it.
Oh yes. My bong rides with me. Always. [editline]25th March 2013[/editline] When I'm fully back, I'll have stories
man i have a 300 txt long detail of my hopefully soon to enx journey.man this shit fucks you good.
[QUOTE=alx12345;40031363][url]http://www.aj-blotters.co.uk/[/url] is good if your looking for 25x[/QUOTE] I don't know if there's anything else wrong with this site, but compared to when I bought off SR this site is extremely expensive.
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So, what's the chance of having a seizure or even dying on this stuff? I see it's listed as a rare occurrence, but if it's happened to a lot of people I don't want to take my chances. I have Frontal Lobe Epilepsy so I feel like my risk of having a seizure on it is increased.
I couldnt find anything like a list of where is legal. Could you people help me out and hand me something like that( or if you happen to find it, i live in italy). Thanks for your time.
[QUOTE=Secone;40087337]So, what's the chance of having a seizure or even dying on this stuff? I see it's listed as a rare occurrence, but if it's happened to a lot of people I don't want to take my chances. I have Frontal Lobe Epilepsy so I feel like my risk of having a seizure on it is increased.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't take any of the NBOMe's with a condition like that. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] nor things like tramadol
[QUOTE=Secone;40087337]So, what's the chance of having a seizure or even dying on this stuff? I see it's listed as a rare occurrence, but if it's happened to a lot of people I don't want to take my chances. I have Frontal Lobe Epilepsy so I feel like my risk of having a seizure on it is increased.[/QUOTE] I'd say don't take NBOMEs if you're prone to any kind of seizures.
I figured that would be the case. Thanks.
How does this shit mix with DXM? I'm robotripping and I've still got a strip in the freezer... ... but it seems like a good recipe for serotonin syndrome, especially with the DXM dose I'm taking... ... but I wanna fry fuckin hard tonight
[QUOTE=Anubis678;40090534]How does this shit mix with DXM? I'm robotripping and I've still got a strip in the freezer... ... but it seems like a good recipe for serotonin syndrome, especially with the DXM dose I'm taking... ... but I wanna fry fuckin hard tonight[/QUOTE] 25C turned me into a blithering ball of goop. I wouldn't mix it with anything.
[QUOTE=Anubis678;40090534]How does this shit mix with DXM? I'm robotripping and I've still got a strip in the freezer... ... but it seems like a good recipe for serotonin syndrome, especially with the DXM dose I'm taking... ... but I wanna fry fuckin hard tonight[/QUOTE] Anubis, you used to be so much more than this. What happened? I hope you don't get serotonin syndrome.
More than what, dare I ask. I enjoy pushing my limits and seeing just how far down the rabbit hole I'll go
[QUOTE=Anubis678;40115462]More than what, dare I ask. I enjoy pushing my limits and seeing just how far down the rabbit hole I'll go[/QUOTE] It's a research chemical. Its safety profile is not yet fully established on its own, let alone with concordant drugs.
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