• Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time
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[QUOTE=codemaster85;45302428]people need to realize how fucking advance MM was compared to the hardware and dev time of one year. everything in the whole world was being processed in real time according to the timeline. That alone was almost impossible at the time since it would eat up so much processing power, but somehow MM pulled it off. It was a technological marvel of the time and is still surprising today how the fuck they pulled it all off in one year.[/QUOTE] It did require the Expansion Pak, but still it is a damn fine game.
[QUOTE=Basement;45305858]Ocarina of Time is overrated.[/QUOTE] The sky is blue. Doesn't mean OoT is bad.
[QUOTE=Basement;45305858]Ocarina of Time is overrated.[/QUOTE] Thanks for your amazing insight! Ya got any more pearls of wisdom for us!? But seriously, your opinion is shit.
I didn't watch it yet, and I don't even want to have my mouse roll over that link.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;45296100]at one point he says things have a black glow, and a comment pops up saying 'what is this black glow he is talking about', but arin is clearly referring to the ambient occlusion, which creates a black shadow around your character, which is definitely there. [editline]5th July 2014[/editline] he's dumb but he's not blind[/QUOTE] By now you'd think Egoraptor would know a bit more about video game terminology.
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;45300600]So if people are criticizing this video, why does it have 89+ "Winner" ratings?[/QUOTE] I still rated winner because I respect egoraptor still producing the video even with all the hype surrounding it.
It's like Arin is purposely trying to be edgy by taking something that is objectively good and liked by 99.9% of people and shitting on it.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;45307731]It's like Arin is purposely trying to be edgy by taking something that is objectively good and liked by 99.9% of people and shitting on it.[/QUOTE] The problem isn't him trying to make an unpopular opinion, the problem is that he's a huge hypocrite about all the points he's bringing up based on his short attention span and poor video game skills.
[QUOTE=Koala Crisp;45303268]i'd like zelda OoT with oblivion, or just, like this type of combat: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWDOsAzjWLA[/media] mousekeyboard to evade and defend and slash shit movearound [editline]wat[/editline] and it's pc exclusive release[/QUOTE] so basically you want zeda with lamed down MMO style combat? instead of something like lets say, dark souls style? DS is basically a better Zelda on PC you know :v:
[QUOTE=Glitchman;45307731]It's like Arin is purposely trying to be edgy by taking something that is [B]objectively good[/B] and liked by 99.9% of people and shitting on it.[/QUOTE] Objective (adj.) not influenced by [B]personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice[/B]; [I][B]based on facts[/B][/I]; [B][I]unbiased[/I][/B]: an objective opinion.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;45307731]It's like Arin is purposely trying to be edgy by taking something that is objectively good and liked by 99.9% of people and shitting on it.[/QUOTE] Ocarina of Time is not objectively good and is not immune from discussion of its flaws.
[QUOTE=Rellow;45307775]Objective (adj.) not influenced by [B]personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice[/B]; [I][B]based on facts[/B][/I]; [B][I]unbiased[/I][/B]: an objective opinion.[/QUOTE] You can definitely say it's good based on facts, especially for it's time. Look at all the other games and what they had to offer then, and compare. [editline]6th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=icemaz;45307803]Ocarina of Time is not objectively good and is not immune from discussion of its flaws.[/QUOTE] I didn't say it was immune from the discussion of it's flaws, but just because it has flaws doesn't make it not objectively good. [editline]6th July 2014[/editline] and it's also really funny how you can even think that Arin can look at anything objectively. Guy is pretty dim, and the only way he can get points across is shouting and using his bad artwork. I was at least surprised there was no poop and fart jokes in this video. But really, there is a reason why this game is looked upon so highly. Back then it was the shit. You could go back and say Goldeneye and Starfox were objectively bad, but for the time it was some of the BEST that could be done. It's not like CoD where even in the present they are pretty cookie cutter and bland, making no strides in gameplay for graphics.
[QUOTE=themooselord;45302003]and there are plenty of games that make extensive use of the lock-on system that require more skill. See: Dark souls[/QUOTE] I'd actually really like to see Arin try to play Dark Souls, given his criticism on OoT
[QUOTE=Glitchman;45307899] I didn't say it was immune from the discussion of it's flaws, but just because it has flaws doesn't make it not objectively good. [editline]6th July 2014[/editline] and it's also really funny how you can even think that Arin can look at anything objectively. Guy is pretty dim, and the only way he can get points across is shouting and using his bad artwork. I was at least surprised there was no poop and fart jokes in this video. But really, there is a reason why this game is looked upon so highly. Back then it was the shit. You could go back and say Goldeneye and Starfox were objectively bad, but for the time it was some of the BEST that could be done. It's not like CoD where even in the present they are pretty cookie cutter and bland, making no strides in gameplay for graphics.[/QUOTE] Again its not objectively good. It is a good game and have played it through multiple times and it is without a doubt not as good as people say it is. I can go back to some games and have a swell old time in comparison to newer games, but OOT does not do that for me. It's dated. And goldeneye is pretty bad (and for the time, better could be achieved on the same hardware (Perfect Dark for example, which is far more polished). And I also don't care if it was the shit back then, because I'm not from "back then", I'm playing it now not 16 years ago. Also lmao who cares about Arin.
[QUOTE=for no reason;45307937]I'd actually really like to see Arin try to play Dark Souls, given his criticism on OoT[/QUOTE] He and Ross played DS2 on Steam Train. If memory serves, it took them around eight episodes to get out of the tutorial area because they could not figure out the controls and never payed attention to the instructions.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;45307731]It's like Arin is purposely trying to be edgy by taking something that is objectively good and liked by 99.9% of people and shitting on it.[/QUOTE] OOT isn't liked by 99.9% of people. Hell, I have not met a single individual who even considers OOT the best game in the series - those that I know who like that part of the series the most still favor Majora's Mask over Ocarino Of Timerino. Also I for one did not like OOT because it did not exactly age well and although it introduced some very solid mechanics it feels like a pretty dull experience in comparison to other installments of the Franchise.
I think Ocarina of Time has aged very well. The graphics might not, but the gameplay is still solid. There are small flaws, which Egoraptor blows out of proportion or are purely faults of his own, but despite its minor flaws is still a very good game. There are large communities of players who still play Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask [i]to this day[/i], 15 years after their release. I think that's a strong testament that the gameplay for it has aged well since it's still fun to play. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45267823]if you want an actual critique that isn't mired in repetitive non-humor that's about as long and way more well researched, try this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o908SWJ8ulc[/media] he also has a video that explains precisely what the issues were with SS. hint; it has nothing to do with the uncomfortably ironic "you just don't think you have to put in any effort or ever get better!" rant arin vomited out[/QUOTE] Thank you for introducing me to him. I've spent the past few days watching his proper critiques, and he's very in-depth about a lot of old games while ignoring the nostalgia factor.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;45307731]It's like Arin is purposely trying to be edgy by taking something that is objectively good and liked by 99.9% of people and shitting on it.[/QUOTE] oh man he "dislikes" something other people like he must be a dick!!! [QUOTE=Glitchman;45307899]You can definitely say it's good based on facts, especially for it's time. Look at all the other games and what they had to offer then, and compare. and it's also really funny how you can even think that Arin can look at anything objectively. Guy is pretty dim, and the only way he can get points across is shouting and using his bad artwork. I was at least surprised there was no poop and fart jokes in this video. [/QUOTE] I don't know, I thought OOT was kinda shit, worst game on the n64, compared to MM or other [sp]except I don't and why do you give a shit if someone said that for real? its called an opinion. OOT is objectively good in many ways but his criticisms are extremely legitimate.[/sp] he didn't say OOT was bad, he just said it had problems.
The gameplay hasn't aged too well, but honestly the 3DS version really does liven up the experience again, even if underneath the fresh coats of tweaks and paint it's the exact same game. My only problems are that the brighter lighting in dark areas ruins the final Ganon fight's dramatic lighting, and that it's kinda lacking compared to something like Star Fox 64 3D, which got its entire soundtrack reorchestrated, all of its voice-actors they could get returning to revoice the same lines, and a whole lot more effort in general in its own remake.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;45309539]The gameplay hasn't aged too well, but honestly the 3DS version really does liven up the experience again, even if underneath the fresh coats of tweaks and paint it's the exact same game. My only problems are that the brighter lighting in dark areas ruins the final Ganon fight's dramatic lighting, and that it's kinda lacking compared to something like Star Fox 64 3D, which got its entire soundtrack reorchestrated, all of its voice-actors they could get returning to revoice the same lines, and a whole lot more effort in general in its own remake.[/QUOTE] that was such a shame what they did to Ganon. Dead Hand too, totally ruined the creepy factor. And it's not like that was just a limitation of the hardware. They could have made the boss arena bright in the original game if they wanted to. But check out how Ganon looks in the concept art. [thumb]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MQ426NIkDio/UOcyemRrgjI/AAAAAAAAAGg/RioKGcA85JA/s1600/6837991889_be53480401_o.jpg[/thumb] Those games are pretty goddamn sophisticated when it comes to lighting and design. A lot more than people give them credit for.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;45309665]that was such a shame what they did to Ganon. Dead Hand too, totally ruined the creepy factor. And it's not like that was just a limitation of the hardware. They could have made the boss arena bright in the original game if they wanted to. But check out how Ganon looks in the concept art. [thumb]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MQ426NIkDio/UOcyemRrgjI/AAAAAAAAAGg/RioKGcA85JA/s1600/6837991889_be53480401_o.jpg[/thumb] Those games are pretty goddamn sophisticated when it comes to lighting and design. A lot more than people give them credit for.[/QUOTE] Yeah, a big part of the N64 version of the Ganon fight was that the lighting was dark enough to not be able to fully see Ganon's features, aside from the occasional flash of lightning. Only did he brighten up after you got the Master Sword and prepared to take him down once and for all. In the 3DS version, the brightened lighting for all dark parts of the game just made him easily visible all fight long, kinda really kicking the mood set up in the nuts.
[QUOTE=icemaz;45307803]Ocarina of Time is not objectively good and is not immune from discussion of its flaws.[/QUOTE] OoT is most definitely full of objectively good qualties
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;45310398]OoT is most definitely full of objectively good qualties[/QUOTE] Shh! You can't say that! OoT is a terrible game with no good qualities!!
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;45310398]OoT is most definitely full of objectively good qualties[/QUOTE] It has intelligent game design, which a lot of games have. Beyond that point, there isn't much going for OoT that is objectively perfect since it's basically all related to level design and visual design and so on. Even for gameplay even if you admit that Z-targeting is a good system and that combat is relatively well handled (for the first 3D installment in the franchise), you can still simply not like it.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;45309539]The gameplay hasn't aged too well, but honestly the 3DS version really does liven up the experience again, even if underneath the fresh coats of tweaks and paint it's the exact same game. My only problems are that the brighter lighting in dark areas ruins the final Ganon fight's dramatic lighting, and that it's kinda lacking compared to something like Star Fox 64 3D, which got its entire soundtrack reorchestrated, all of its voice-actors they could get returning to revoice the same lines, and a whole lot more effort in general in its own remake.[/QUOTE] And they removed all of the blood under the well and in the shadow temple which completely neutered the atmosphere because Nintendo is a bunch of pussies now Seriously Nintendo you had such big, plentiful balls with games like OOT and MM, why can't Zelda be like that again
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;45311017]Shh! You can't say that! OoT is a terrible game with no good qualities!![/QUOTE] Every game has good objective qualities, it's just you can't see to discuss those qualities of OOT without people getting offended or super serious over a video game. A lot of people can't see the flaws, or focus on the flaws solely. I've played through the game 3 times on each of the consoles it's been released for, and it is annoying you can't actually discuss the game in an open forum. I mean stuff like Z-Targeting is good, but it's not perfect, and you can't say that without someone saying about how it is in fact gods gift to game design.
[QUOTE=NoNameForEvil;45311194]when the fuck did anybody say that?? all i remember is that dude calling it a "technical limitation" or something and people calling him out on his bullshit[/QUOTE] Calm down dude christ. It's just a recurring theme when you try and talk about OOT (not necessarily on this forum), that people will defend it's design so vehemently that you would think its the greatest thing of all time, when other games including others in the same franchise have done it far better. I do Computer Science at Uni, and quite a few of the games course people there put zelda on such a high pedestal, which I feel it mostly doesn't deserve.
[QUOTE=NoNameForEvil;45311194]when the fuck did anybody say that?? all i remember is that dude calling it a "technical limitation" or something and people calling him out on his bullshit[/QUOTE] he called it a fucking [I]crutch[/I], clearly understanding nothing of how to do game design.
[QUOTE=icemaz;45311230]Calm down dude christ. It's just a recurring theme when you try and talk about OOT (not necessarily on this forum), that people will defend it's design so vehemently that you would think its the greatest thing of all time, when other games including others in the same franchise have done it far better. I do Computer Science at Uni, and quite a few of the games course people there put zelda on such a high pedestal, which I feel it mostly doesn't deserve.[/QUOTE] Ocarina of Time is basically a sacred cow, as it were. It's one of the most legendary games of all time, and by this point it might as well be the documented sacred cow of gaming, alongside Super Mario 64. Much like how Final Fantasy 7 didn't drastically push the envelope in comparison to its predecessors but helped popularize JRPGs as mainstream in the 90s America and became its own legend that no one could dare criticize, but at least that's died down (albeit now people gripe about it being overhyped almost every time it's mentioned). But one needs to approach the subject of something as revolutionary as Z-targeting with a proper technical means of its advantages and disadvantages, limitations, etc. Instead, some people (not saying you) would just go "LOCK-ONS ARE FOR CONSOLE CASUALS" or the aforementioned crutch comment and other stupid shit which demeans the argument, and then people start strawmanning and it spirals out of control.
[QUOTE=icemaz;45311145][B]Every game has good objective qualities[/B], it's just you can't see to discuss those qualities of OOT without people getting offended or super serious over a video game.[/QUOTE] Then why did you disagree with his comment?
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