Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time
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I'm really getting sick of people saying Arin just sucks and they did better when they were kids. So what? I played OOT when I was a kid too and I was terrible at it, I never got past the second dungeon. I've never been good with Zelda's puzzle solving style and always just get confused and stressed out and feel like playing something else. I'm allowed, right? I don't think they're bad games at all, I've just never been into them.
To say "I'm good at it, why isn't he good at it?" is just insulting. People are allowed to not like/not be good at certain video games. That is not the issue here. The issue is that he's voicing his complaints in a really arrogant way and not considering other perspectives on OOT enough. He's too focused on proving himself rather than providing an unbiased analysis.
[QUOTE=Y'all.;45277003]I'm really getting sick of people saying Arin just sucks and they did better when they were kids. So what? I played OOT when I was a kid too and I was terrible at it, I never got past the second dungeon. I've never been good with Zelda's puzzle solving style and always just get confused and stressed out and feel like playing something else. I'm allowed, right? I don't think they're bad games at all, I've just never been into them.
To say "I'm good at it, why isn't he good at it?" is just insulting. People are allowed to not like/not be good at certain video games. That is not the issue here. The issue is that he's voicing his complaints in a really arrogant way and not considering other perspectives on OOT enough. He's too focused on proving himself rather than providing an unbiased analysis.[/QUOTE]
but he's mistaking his lack of skill for the game being bad.
[QUOTE=Killuah;45276326]I still remember when the gamegrumps thread was new and I was almost lynched for saying that they sound like a bunch of hyper manchilds who can't pay attentionto the games to me and now look at that.[/QUOTE]
Personally I struggle to take people seriously when they use the term 'manchild' regardless of context.
[QUOTE=Y'all.;45277003]I'm really getting sick of people saying Arin just sucks and they did better when they were kids. So what? I played OOT when I was a kid too and I was terrible at it, I never got past the second dungeon. I've never been good with Zelda's puzzle solving style and always just get confused and stressed out and feel like playing something else. I'm allowed, right? I don't think they're bad games at all, I've just never been into them.
To say "I'm good at it, why isn't he good at it?" is just insulting. People are allowed to not like/not be good at certain video games. That is not the issue here. The issue is that he's voicing his complaints in a really arrogant way and not considering other perspectives on OOT enough. He's too focused on proving himself rather than providing an unbiased analysis.[/QUOTE]
Let me say that being bad at games is fine. I've been stumped by a number of puzzles in my day that brought the game to a halt. Sometimes I have to look at a guide and then I get on with the game.
I'm more annoyed by his hypocrisy than anything else. He fails to follow directions, then says that the game is flawed because it told him how to do something that he was clearly too incompetent to figure out on his own. He likes to act that he's smart enough to figure out where to go in a game without receiving instructions, even though he's proven time and time again that that's not the case. His desire for a game that doesn't tell the player anything doesn't make a lick of sense when he's clearly incapable of figuring anything out even after he IS explicitly told.
It's like a kid trying to make pancakes for himself. His parents want to help him and to keep him safe, but then he gets frustrated and says, "No, I wanna do it myself!" Then the kid sets the stove on fire because he clearly doesn't know how to make pancakes, and then he blames his parents that the house burned down.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;45277102]but he's mistaking his lack of skill for the game being bad.[/QUOTE]
Yep, that's what I'm saying. The fact that he's bad is not the issue, him expecting the game to suit his own tastes and insulting it/people who enjoy it, that's the issue. He's allowed to be bad as long as he understands why.
People simply calling him bad and talking about how much better they were even as kids, it's just meaningless, you like the game and he doesn't, you were good at the game and he wasn't, that has nothing to do with why this was a bad review.
[editline]2nd July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kirbunny431;45277149]Let me say that being bad at games is fine. I've been stumped by a number of puzzles in my day that brought the game to a halt. Sometimes I have to look at a guide and then I get on with the game.
I'm more annoyed by his hypocrisy than anything else. He fails to follow directions, then says that the game is flawed because it told him how to do something that he was clearly too incompetent to figure out on his own. He likes to act that he's smart enough to figure out where to go in a game without receiving instructions, even though he's proven time and time again that that's not the case. His desire for a game that doesn't tell the player anything doesn't make a lick of sense when he's clearly incapable of figuring anything out even after he IS explicitly told.
It's like a kid trying to make pancakes for himself. His parents want to help him and to keep him safe, but then he gets frustrated and says, "No, I wanna do it myself!" Then the kid sets the stove on fire because he clearly doesn't know how to make pancakes, and then he blames his parents that the house burned down.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I think his arrogance about this stuff is a serious personality flaw. Like I said, he's obsessed with trying to prove himself. I just don't think insulting him about it helps anybody. I think the fact that so many people insult him about it fuels it even more, in fact. He's probably gotten to a point where he just dismisses feedback 'cause theres so much of it and it's difficult for him to distinguish between the good and the bad. That's how it seems to me, anyway, especially 'cause of that character he created at the start of the video typing up his counter argument, and that part where he was like "Fuck I'm criticizing Ocarina of Time I'm gonna get crucified!".
[QUOTE=Y'all.;45277155]Yep, that's what I'm saying. The fact that he's bad is not the issue, him expecting the game to suit his own tastes and insulting it/people who enjoy it, that's the issue. He's allowed to be bad as long as he understands why.
People simply calling him bad and talking about how much better they were even as kids, it's just meaningless, you like the game and he doesn't, you were good at the game and he wasn't, that has nothing to do with why this was a bad review.
[editline]2nd July 2014[/editline]
Yep, I think his arrogance about this stuff is a serious personality flaw. Like I said, he's obsessed with trying to prove himself. I just don't think insulting him about it helps anybody. I think the fact that so many people insult him about it fuels it even more, in fact. He's probably gotten to a point where he just dismisses feedback 'cause theres so much of it and it's difficult for him to distinguish between the good and the bad. That's how it seems to me, anyway, especially 'cause of that character he created at the start of the video typing up his counter argument, and that part where he was like "Fuck I'm criticizing Ocarina of Time I'm gonna get crucified!".[/QUOTE]
Just gonna say that this is entirely reasonable and an agree rating isn't enough to demonstrate it. You're right on the money.
[QUOTE=Sift;45275746][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp7f_nCKfFw[/media][/QUOTE]
You know you're an immense casual, is when you need walktrough for the first part of the god damn game, holy shit.
"I cant enjoy games if they have any story outside what is written in the instruction booklet, i want story to be optional, when i watch movies i fast forward to the action."
That's what I got from it
sounds like he's trying to sound like jontron when he does the funnyvoiceedittonext clip thing with the it's not good
video is bad
even worse without looking at the video and just listening
i like it
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45275972]Honestly it's not even that he's gone downhill and more that he's started to show himself. People knew jack shit about Egoraptor for quite a while, then at some point he started doing sequelitis and Game Grumps and then people found out he was pretty damn dislikeable.[/QUOTE]
The first sequilitis episodes were good I thought. Especially the Megaman, I definitely agree that one thing a lot of modern games do now a days is hand hold and dumb down the experience. Just look at the progression of the elderscrolls series. He takes it to the extreme though and literally can't comprehend 3D games.
Actually I also liked him in the Jon days of game grumps even though they sucked at playing. I didn't mind it because i watched for their conversation. I'm not really into Let's Plays in general though.
[QUOTE=omarfr;45278332]The first sequilitis episodes were good I thought. Especially the Megaman, I definitely agree that one thing a lot of modern games do now a days is hand hold and dumb down the experience. Just look at the progression of the elderscrolls series. He takes it to the extreme though and literally can't comprehend 3D games.
Actually I also liked him in the Jon days of game grumps even though they sucked at playing. I didn't mind it because i watched for their conversation. I'm not really into Let's Plays in general though.[/QUOTE]
the reason its gotten to that level is due to people like arin and DSP, they are the prime targets for play testers for games. Remember when that HL2 dev said they had to remove a loop in a cave that had bonus stuff in it because the dipshit play tester got lost in it.
Only thing I can really agree on is how slow some of the parts in OoT felt playing, but other then that most of the stuff he's complaining about is more or less little nit picks that don't hinder the game
As for it being more story driven, well of course it's more story driven, Nintendo was able to animate expressions and movement, and didn't have to fully rely on just text like in the 2d games
Why do some of you keep insisting that he's bad at video games? Of course he won't be very good when he's playing with a friend, while trying to be funny, while being recorded. And even if he [i]was[/i] terrible at games when he plays alone, how does that invalidate his points? Nowhere in the video he says anything that meant "this game is too difficult". He points out other reasons why certain things he didn't like are bad. Do you know how many devs are terrible at their own games? It doesn't mean they don't know shit about game design.
The thing is, a lot of points he makes in the video are opinions and not facts, so the way he presents them makes him sound like a hypocrite saying his opinions are alright [i]the[/i] right way to look at things. But that doesn't mean they're not an invalid way to look at things. I for one disliked OoT and Twilight Princess for the same reasons he explained, and I loved all the top-down Zelda games I've played.
This sequelitis isn't how OoT is objectively worse than ALttP, it's about how some people who loved ALttP didn't feel like OoT was the best way to make the series progress. His idea of what 3D Zeldas should've been might not be [i]the[/i] specific way to do it, but it's a way that ALttP fans would have probably preferred. Zelda pretty much evolved into 2 separate series: top-down Zelda and 3D Zelda. There's a lot of people who like one and hate the other, so in that sense, OoT is a "bad" sequel because it wasn't a natural progression in the series.
I hate this 'he's not focusing on the game when playing with a friend and trying to be funny' excuse because it assumes humans can't multitask, or talk whilst paying attention to moving pictures (because the way with controllers is that most of the times you don't have to look at them to control the game).
[QUOTE=RichyZ;45279154]i dont know, you ever try to play a game sitting on the couch with a friend then switch to playing a game alone? you tend to make dumb mistakes just because you get caught up in conversation or for whatever other reasons[/QUOTE]
also ignoring a button on the screen constantly and saying "i wish i could drop this" with ZR saying DROP.
You're a idiot if you think that's a valid excuse lmao
Myself and several of my other friends play games all the time while joking and laughing and we aren't nearly as bad.
Like it's possible to go "hang on a sec let's see what to do next" instead of just mashing a and blaming everything on the game.
Edit: In the sequelitis video he's clearly not with a friend either and he's still just as bad. Stop defending him just because you think he's a funny guy.
[QUOTE=Hikkotch;45266475]I knew this was going to be more a rant than a critique. Arin has always hated on OoT.
While I partly agree with the target system, OoT is the first game to ever have a system like it. I feel it's unfair to compare something that's new and unpolished with a system that has been developed for years. In WW they improved alot on the combat, it's faster and less clunky. And the way you can use your items against enemies are done so much better.
And all this talking about cutscenes in Oot made me wonder why he didn't show the King Zora scene.[/QUOTE]
Actually, Megaman Legends, with a similar system came out before Ocarina of Time. And that system was based upon the Resident Evil combat systems.
And honestly, Megaman Legends felt a lot more adventurey, there were a lot of dungeons that weren't nessesary to go through but you got materials/money from them and other surprises.
was the bomb bowling part supposed to be funny
I didn't get it
[QUOTE=Segab;45279027]Why do some of you keep insisting that he's bad at video games? Of course he won't be very good when he's playing with a friend, while trying to be funny, while being recorded. And even if he [i]was[/i] terrible at games when he plays alone, how does that invalidate his points? Nowhere in the video he says anything that meant "this game is too difficult". He points out other reasons why certain things he didn't like are bad. Do you know how many devs are terrible at their own games? It doesn't mean they don't know shit about game design.[/QUOTE]
If you've watched him play 3D Zelda games, you'll be quick to notice that he plays them like 2D Zelda games, like randomly swinging the sword without targeting in combat or never paying attention to the environment since it's not laid out for you in a 2D overworld.
[QUOTE=HyperTails;45279287]was the bomb bowling part supposed to be funny
I didn't get it[/QUOTE]
It's all slowed down and distorted, which makes it seem like he doesn't like it? At least I assumed that was the joke. Just seems like another shitting on Skyward Sword joke. If he's gonna shit on it, make fun of the Imprisoned One fight or something.
[QUOTE=Swilly;45279278]Actually, Megaman Legends, with a similar system came out before Ocarina of Time. And that system was based upon the Resident Evil combat systems.
And honestly, Megaman Legends felt a lot more adventurey, there were a lot of dungeons that weren't nessesary to go through but you got materials/money from them and other surprises.[/QUOTE]
Huh, I didn't know Legends 1 predated Ocarina of Time. Although it explains why it lacks a fully proper targeting system, which the second game certainly doesn't lack.
Exactly how serious is this supposed to be though? I mean this was probably entirely written for humor and entertainment, just driven by his personal choices. I really doubt he is trying to do anything along the lines of trying to make people dislike the games more just because his opinion differs. You have to consider that this was one of the first 3d games like this to understand most of the problems he says anyways.
[QUOTE=Swilly;45279278]Actually, Megaman Legends, with a similar system came out before Ocarina of Time. And that system was based upon the Resident Evil combat systems.
And honestly, Megaman Legends felt a lot more adventurey, there were a lot of dungeons that weren't nessesary to go through but you got materials/money from them and other surprises.[/QUOTE]
MM Legends 1 and 2 are my favourite game, it makes me so sad they canceled 3.
Also people seem to be taking the video way too seriously. Arin's awful at video games but he's just offering his opinion on stuff, no need to analyze it so much.
[QUOTE=Killuah;45276326]I still remember when the gamegrumps thread was new and I was almost lynched for saying that they sound like a bunch of hyper manchilds who can't pay attentionto the games to me and now look at that.[/QUOTE]
because arin has been getting progressively worse since jon left. let's not even pretend that's a coincidence. danny never calls arin on his bullshit like jon did (in a friendly way). he needs someone to bring him to earth and he's not getting that with danny. they're both in the fuckin clouds
Although I have to say Danny is still pretty funny, Arin has been relying on the same shitty punchlines for months now
Anytime I come across their videos the intro is Arin making a bunch of random sounds over and over. Is that a bad representation?
[QUOTE=Brt5470;45280677]Anytime I come across their videos the intro is Arin making a bunch of random sounds over and over. Is that a bad representation?[/QUOTE]
At this point it's the only way Game Grumps starts.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;45280677]Anytime I come across their videos the intro is Arin making a bunch of random sounds over and over. Is that a bad representation?[/QUOTE]
No that's basically all Arin does, he makes stupid noises and gets angry when the game is too hard for him.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;45280573]because arin has been getting progressively worse since jon left. let's not even pretend that's a coincidence. danny never calls arin on his bullshit like jon did (in a friendly way). he needs someone to bring him to earth and he's not getting that with danny. they're both in the fuckin clouds[/QUOTE]
danny is too nice and friendly for arin.
Danny seems way more conservative when he plays with arin. arin wants to fuck around and danny is always somehow like "no don't do that again" and both of them together is just not funny at all, arin and danny don't play off of each other like arin and jon did. Danny is too afraid to be funny and arin is shit at playing video games.
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