• NOT So Cool Facts About Israel
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Eye specific rubber bullets? They train their police to shoot for the EYES? That's a very specific target and I can't imagine that's an easy shot to make anywhere past a few yards.
[QUOTE=Sigfig;21611890]Eye specific rubber bullets? They train their police to shoot for the EYES? That's a very specific target and I can't imagine that's an easy shot to make anywhere past a few yards.[/QUOTE] This has more information about it. [url]http://www.nature.com/eye/journal/v17/n7/full/6700447a.html[/url]
That article is over rubber bullets, not eye specific rubber bullets. I'm confused.
Source of first song? It's by Atari Gali supposedly.
Now you may just glimpse part of the reason people strap bombs to themselves. Too bad its ineffective at starting a full-on palestinian rebellion sine israeli army men are decked out like its WWIII
Israel is the only country on earth that has legalized assassination? You mean besides the United States and every other country, I stopped the video their, I'm not going to dig at some weird Islamic video hatin' on Jews [highlight]kimWSSmith — November 16, 2007 — Facts every American should know about Nazi Israel.[/highlight] also if you click on the video this is the description. Just saying
The United States really needs to start treating Israel like every other country out there. Israel's like some spoiled rotten child of the US that always gets his way and lives in a place where all his neighbors hate him. If you've seen a map of how Israel and Palestine's territories have changed over the last 60 years, it looks like Israel is soaking up most of the land like a sponge.
Edit: Okay, let me rephrase that... I'm just wondering, why are alot of people here complaining about Israel, when they aren't the ones trying to kill us?
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;21767797]Maybe It's just me, but I don't see why most of you guys would be angry at Israel who has NOT committed a single aggressive act towards the United States or it's allies. But you'd rather defend a country which clearly has a strong presence of terrorists who are ACTIVELY ATTACKING US. The guy who tried to detonate a car in Times fucking Square New York a few days ago, originally came from Pakistan. My point is, Israel is not the enemy.[/QUOTE] Palestine has attacked the U.S? Also I didn't know that Pakistan and Palestine where in the same region, let alone them being the same country, thank you for clearing that up for me. Clearly you are an idiot. "Well, they haven't attacked us and as long as they don't they can continue to oppress a entire group of people, hell they could even murder them and bomb UN facilities, just as long as they don't attack my country." That is your reasoning for supporting Israel, because they haven't attacked the U.S or any of their allies and as long as they don't we should turn a blind eye to the atrocities they have committed? I'm sorry that I and most people in this thread don't support the murderous regime that is the Israeli government. Also on the whole "Israel hasn't attack the U.S" thing. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident[/url]
Look at the profile of the video person. She/He seems like a conspiracy theorist.
it's time for some regime change [img]http://thejourneyback.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/us-flag.jpg[/img] :smug:
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;21770173]it's time for some regime change [img]http://thejourneyback.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/us-flag.jpg[/img] :smug:[/QUOTE] sort of the problem in the first place
they remind me of the combine
[QUOTE=starpluck;21588736][media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=pwRk95iLmK4[/media] Just wow. I am not surprised as much though. I dislike the music, anyways one of the facts are incorrect. Israel now receives more aid then[B] all of Africa[/B], not only sub Saharan Africa.[/QUOTE] I have so much to say, but I have to say this first: LOL at "towns and cities allocated exclusively for one ethnic group" and then the picture with the sign saying "Jews only". Obvious photoshop is obvious. I've been there and it says something in Arabic. All road signs in Israel must be written in Hebrew and Arabic and most of them are also in English.
"Not so cool facts about Nazi Israel" Come on starpluck, you can do better than that. Don't post this bullshit.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21772017]I have so much to say, but I have to say this first: LOL at "towns and cities allocated exclusively for one ethnic group" and then the picture with the sign saying "Jews only". Obvious photoshop is obvious. I've been there and it says something in Arabic. All road signs in Israel must be written in Hebrew and Arabic and most of them are also in English.[/QUOTE] Uh? No its not Photoshop. I thought you lived in Israel, if you did, you'd know that there are Jewish only settlements.
There are, I didn't say there aren't, but the picture after the statement is an obvious photoshop.
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;21770173]it's time for some regime change [img_thumb]http://thejourneyback.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/us-flag.jpg[/img_thumb] :smug:[/QUOTE] Uh That's the reason why they're allowed to get away with these human rights abuses in the first place take your :smug: elsewhere
[QUOTE=Incognito;21768180]Palestine has attacked the U.S? Also I didn't know that Pakistan and Palestine where in the same region, let alone them being the same country, thank you for clearing that up for me. Clearly you are an idiot. "Well, they haven't attacked us and as long as they don't they can continue to oppress a entire group of people, hell they could even murder them and bomb UN facilities, just as long as they don't attack my country." That is your reasoning for supporting Israel, because they haven't attacked the U.S or any of their allies and as long as they don't we should turn a blind eye to the atrocities they have committed? I'm sorry that I and most people in this thread don't support the murderous regime that is the Israeli government. Also on the whole "Israel hasn't attack the U.S" thing. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident[/URL][/QUOTE] 1. I never said Pakistan as a country attacked the U.S. but yah I had Palestine and Pakistan mixed up so that's my fault 2. Also on the whole "USS Liberty thing" you may want to read the part where it says "Both the Israeli and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States"]U.S, governments[/URL] conducted inquiries[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#cite_note-NSAhistory57-1"][2][/URL] into the incident, and issued reports, which concluded that the attack was a mistake, due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS [I]Liberty" [/I]3. Even if it had been an intentional attack, it's still nothing compared to what the Islamic extremists have been dishing out. (does anyone know what the death toll is? I lost count a long time ago) Out of curiosity though, has Israel ever bombed a U.S. embassy? I didn't hear about it if it happened. Lastly, you are the idiot... I expressed many times before that I DO NOT condone the killing of innocent civilians in any country, and that THERE ARE THINGS that Israel should do the limit them. But my main point was, who do you think the lesser evil is here? Isreal, or the guys who killed thousands of people in a single attack? Personally, I don't think we need anymore enemies than we've already got.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;21785579]1. I never said Pakistan as a country attacked the U.S. but yah I had Palestine and Pakistan mixed up so that's my fault 2. Also on the whole "USS Liberty thing" you may want to read the part where it says "Both the Israeli and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States"]U.S, governments[/URL] conducted inquiries[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#cite_note-NSAhistory57-1"][2][/URL] into the incident, and issued reports, which concluded that the attack was a mistake, due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS [I]Liberty" [/I]3. Even if it had been an intentional attack, it's still nothing compared to what the Islamic extremists have been dishing out. (does anyone know what the death toll is? I lost count a long time ago) Out of curiosity though, has Israel ever bombed a U.S. embassy? I didn't hear about it if it happened. Lastly, you are the idiot... I expressed many times before that I DO NOT condone the killing of innocent civilians in any country, and that THERE ARE THINGS that Israel should do the limit them. But my main point was, who do you think the lesser evil is here? Isreal, or the guys who killed thousands of people in a single attack? Personally, I don't think we need anymore enemies than we've already got.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry that I had mistaken you for an idiot after you you confused [b]PAKISTAN[/b] and [b]PALESTINE[/b] for the same country, on top of that you just implied that Hamas and Al Qaeda are the same entity. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would know that they are not, you would also know that Israel has murdered more civilians in one conflict that Hamas has during their entire existence. I personally believe that Palestine is the lesser evil of the two, the people that live in Gaza and the West bank just want a country to call their own, what Hamas does to try to reach that goal is not the fault of the Palestinians. Meanwhile Israel thinks that just because they where "given" that land by god, its alright to murder and persecute and entire group of people. Also about Hamas, I do not support there actions, but they where not created to "kill the Jews". They where created due to the suffering of entire group of people, the same people that where murdered and driven out of their homes by Zionists. These Zionists are the same people that run the Israeli government, the same government that stuck all the Palestinians in glorified ghettos. These people are also the reason the U.S has so many enemies in the middle east. One more thing. Nowhere did you condone anything, you just said that we should support the Israelis rather then the Palestinians just because they haven't attacked us, that is incredibly stupid reasoning. Also good job on deleting your other post. Before you try to say something like "Hamas has killed many more civilians that Israel has." I went and found the casualty figures. Numbers in () are people that are under the age of 18. This is just from 2005-2009 Deaths: Palestinians: 1754(309) - Israeli: 117(12) Injuries: Palestinians: 6297(864) - Israeli: 1183(14) [url]http://www.ochaopt.org/[/url] [url]http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/Humanitarian_Monitor_Dec_07.pdf[/url] Its by the UN.
[QUOTE=Incognito;21788664]I'm sorry that I had mistaken you for an idiot after you you confused [b]PAKISTAN[/b] and [b]PALESTINE[/b] for the same country, on top of that you just implied that Hamas and Al Qaeda are the same entity. If you had any knowledge on the subject you would know that they are not, you would also know that Israel has murdered more civilians in one conflict that Hamas has during their entire existence.[/quote]Death toll is a perfect way to judge a conflict. Germany lost 700,000 civilians and the UK only lost 62,00, obviously the Nazis was the lesser evil. [quote]I personally believe that Palestine is the lesser evil of the two, the people that live in Gaza and the West bank just want a country to call their own, what Hamas does to try to reach that goal is not the fault of the Palestinians. Meanwhile Israel thinks that just because they where "given" that land by god, its alright to murder and persecute and entire group of people.[/quote]Very few Israelis believe that it's god given land, the rest just want A COUNTRY THEY CAN CALL THEIR OWN BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER PREDOMINATLY JEWISH COUNTRIES. Hamas' goal is not to claim the West Bank or Gaza for Palestine, it's to eliminate the state of Israel and take back everything, then it's Palestine. [quote]Also about Hamas, I do not support there actions, but they where not created to "kill the Jews". They where created due to the suffering of entire group of people, the same people that where murdered and driven out of their homes by Zionists. These Zionists are the same people that run the Israeli government, the same government that stuck all the Palestinians in glorified ghettos. These people are also the reason the U.S has so many enemies in the middle east.[/QUOTE]Hamas' goal is to eliminate Israel, that has always been the case. They were founded to take back Israel, the West Bank and Gaza and make an Islamic state called Palestine. They may have been driven from their homes but it was from war and fear of war, not Zionist tyranny. Everyone in the middle east hates Israel; not for what they have done, but for what they are. The US does not have enemies because of Israel, if that was the case Egypt would hate them instead of being a stong ally. The countries that do hate America, hate them for either invading them, interfering in their affairs or because they are not Islamic and seen as the Great Satan.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;21788885]Death toll is a perfect way to judge a conflict. Germany lost 700,000 civilians and the UK only lost 62,00, obviously the Nazis was the lesser evil.[/QUOTE] Comparing a time where there where no rules of engagement and no Geneva Convention to modern military conduct is a valid argument. :downsbravo: Maybe you should look into what those are and when they came into existence before you try to support murderers. [quote]Very few Israelis believe that it's god given land, the rest just want A COUNTRY THEY CAN CALL THEIR OWN BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER PREDOMINATLY JEWISH COUNTRIES. Hamas' goal is not to claim the West Bank or Gaza for Palestine, it's to eliminate the state of Israel and take back everything, then it's Palestine.[/quote] Wanting your own country justifies the occupation and annexing of another states recognized land? So its totally justified for me to murder my neighbour and claim his house and property as my own, just because I want bigger house? [quote]Hamas' goal is to eliminate Israel, that has always been the case. They were founded to take back Israel, the West Bank and Gaza and make an Islamic state called Palestine. They may have been driven from their homes but it was from war and fear of war, not Zionist tyranny. Everyone in the middle east hates Israel; not for what they have done, but for what they are. The US does not have enemies because of Israel, if that was the case Egypt would hate them instead of being a stong ally. The countries that do hate America, hate them for either invading them, interfering in their affairs or because they are not Islamic and seen as the Great Satan.[/quote] So that whole Al Qaeda not liking the U.S because they support Israel isn't really true? The whole reason these Terrorist groups despise the U.S is due to their support of Israel. You are also saying that all those massacres of towns and villages full of Palestinians by Zionists never happened? They just decided to commit mass suicide or something? All those towns shelled by the IDF was because the Palestinians where scared? This massacre by Zionists never happened according to you, since the Palestinians left willingly. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre[/url] This Zionist Terrorist group never exist also right? They never killed all those people listed there? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks[/url] The Palestinians forced from there homes by the Israeli army and Yishuv militant groups also never happened? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus[/url] This never happened either right? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre[/url] And those few times that Hamas said they a willing to sign a peace treaty with Israel only if Israel gives back the land they have stolen are lies too? I've got many other examples of Palestinians being driven from there homes by the IDF and Zionist militants if you want to see those too.
Yes Israel has done bad things in the past, no country didn't. And Israel may be occupying territory like the West Bank but that is only because it can't just leave it alone, if it will, 3 things might happen: 1. The West Bank will be completely unstable, the people there will only suffer, and a terrorist group might eventually take control of it. 2. The West Bank will be somewhat stable, a terrorist group like the Hamas will take control of it and will continue launching terror attacks against Israel, just like with Gaza. 3. The West Bank will be stable, and will be democratically governed. The government will sign peace with Israel and the conflict will be almost over. Out of these three options, the third is of course the best one, but it's also the most unlikely to happen.
[QUOTE=Incognito;21789440]Comparing a time where there where no rules of engagement and no Geneva Convention to modern military conduct is a valid argument. :downsbravo: Maybe you should look into what those are and when they came into existence before you try to support murderers.[/quote]The Geneva convention was in place in WW2 and rules of engagement are not international standards. I expected you to point out the Soviet Union having more casualties than Germany but the point is that civilians are going to die where the fighting is taking place and death count is irrelevant regardless of conflict. Thanks for the complement though, it's nice of you to point out that everyone who disagrees with you supports murder and knows nothing about world politics. [quote]Wanting your own country justifies the occupation and annexing of another states recognized land? So its totally justified for me to murder my neighbour and claim his house and property as my own, just because I want bigger house?[/quote] The same could be said about both sides, Hamas wants the land Israel has and Israel wants to exist. As has been stated before, Palestine was never a recognised country before the creation of Israel and it doesn't matter who had it before, it's who has it now. [quote]So that whole Al Qaeda not liking the U.S because they support Israel isn't really true? The whole reason these Terrorist groups despise the U.S is due to their support of Israel.[/quote]There's no need to put it down to a single reason, they hate the US because they are the US. They hate them because they are against Sharia law, because they invaded several Arab countries, they act as a world police, they are an easy target for hate against western culture and they are generally dickwads to the rest of the world. Everyone hates America. [quote]You are also saying that all those massacres of towns and villages full of Palestinians by Zionists never happened? They just decided to commit mass suicide or something? All those towns shelled by the IDF was because the Palestinians where scared? This massacre by Zionists never happened according to you, since the Palestinians left willingly. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre[/url] This Zionist Terrorist group never exist also right? They never killed all those people listed there? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks[/url] The Palestinians forced from there homes by the Israeli army and Yishuv militant groups also never happened? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus[/url] This never happened either right? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre[/url] And those few times that Hamas said they a willing to sign a peace treaty with Israel only if Israel gives back the land they have stolen are lies too? I've got many other examples of Palestinians being driven from there homes by the IDF and Zionist militants if you want to see those too.[/QUOTE] It's kinda funny how people say the Irgun are an evil terrorist group but Hamas and Hezbollah are freedom fighters when they are pretty much the same thing. Yes the Irgun killed a bunch of people, yes Israel is really careless with bombing targets, yes thousands of Arabs left Israel. Groups such as the Irgun are pretty common in all occupied territories (occupied by british) so nothing big there. Israel being careless with bombing things is a big problem but Hamas operates in dense urban environments so it's hard to prevent every casualty. Something you may not have bothered to look up though, more jews were ejected from [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus]Arab countries than from Israel[/url]. There really was no reason to eject them but at least Israel welcomed them. Go find more of them. The more shock value, the more likely people are going to believe you.
Bloody Israel... Why would they have any more right to the land than anyone else?
No country has the "right to exist", they all simply exist.
"Israel holds the world record for curfew days installed over Palestinians." Really? I thought it was France. "Uprooting trees as collective punishment." They really care that much about their trees that it's an effective punishment?
This reminds me of Avatar, "Just a stupid tree". Olive trees live a long time, few hundred years I think, and pulling them off is not only a physical but also spiritual punishment.
It's all Hitler's fault! If he hadn't killed 6 million people, Israel would never been founded. [editline]10:05PM[/editline] The Arabs and the Jews would have lived peacefully.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;21593407]Like toxicpiano said, Israel is in a hostile environment. The first day they set up there every country and their mother invaded the place. Since Isreal kicked their asses, they obviously are entitled to some new land.[/QUOTE] You can't use the "an eye for an eye" claim here. They're waaaay past that already. Of course Israel is entitled to existance, but that doesn't mean other nations aren't. What Israel is doing now is nothing short of what the nazis did to the jews, 70 years ago.
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