Star Wars The Phantom Menace: Opening day News footage - General

[QUOTE=doomkiwi;49531444] the angle with which each scene is shot, the pacing, the CGI, JarJar Binks, the boring long conversation scenes where nothing interesting happens, the jargon, the demystifying of the science fantasy, the ruining of the original trilogy if watched as a complete series, and visual clutter are all things [/QUOTE] Personally I like the prequels, and I literally don't see anything wrong with or even recognise some the things you just listed.

[QUOTE=The mouse;49531588]Personally I like the prequels, and I literally don't see anything wrong with or even recognise some the things you just listed.[/QUOTE] So you're just in denial?

[QUOTE=simkas;49531656]So you're just in denial?[/QUOTE] Or maybe he would rather enjoy a movie despite its criticisms and/or doesn't find it prudent to look at all those details in order to enjoy a film?

[QUOTE=Pascall;49531677]Or maybe he would rather enjoy a movie despite its criticisms and/or doesn't find it prudent to look at all those details in order to enjoy a film?[/QUOTE] No but he just said "I don't recognise these flaws that someone pointed out" as if he's somehow denying to himself that there's all these bad things in the movie. Also they're not "details" if almost every part of the movie is bad. The script is bad, the direction is bad, the characters are bad.

[QUOTE=simkas;49531697]No but he just said "I don't recognise these flaws that someone pointed out" as if he's somehow denying to himself that there's all these bad things in the movie. Also they're not "details" if almost every part of the movie is bad. The script is bad, the direction is bad, the characters are bad.[/QUOTE] I'm not at all denying that they're in the movie, but what I am saying is that I don't notice them and they don't ruin the movie for me.

[QUOTE=The mouse;49531712]I'm not at all denying that they're in the movie, but what I am saying is that I don't notice them and they don't ruin the movie for me.[/QUOTE] But how? They make up the entire movie. Do you really like the action scenes that much that you aren't bothered that every single other part of the movie is boring and makes no sense? [editline]15th January 2016[/editline] Hell, how the fuck do you look past Jar Jar?

The real question is, why does it bother you so much that he likes it???

[QUOTE=Schmaaa;49526456]IMO Hayden is a decent actor that was given a shit script and character direction, and just couldn't figure out how to make it believable.[/QUOTE] I've only seen him in Star Wars, but nothing else, so I have nothing to compare this performance to. [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=simkas;49531720] Hell, how the fuck do you look past Jar Jar?[/QUOTE] I actually didn't mind Jar Jar in Episode 1.

To me, the prequels are like modern Bethesda games (post-Oblivion). They add interesting background lore, but their main stories aren't anything to write home about. They're usually simplistic in nature to the point of it being a major detriment, and they only care about the start and end of said stories while skipping all the meaningful bits of the journey that happened between those points. But hey, they still have all the buzzpoints that they're both respectively known for, so of course mainstream audiences will love them. People seem to believe that everyone hated the prequels when they first came out, but pretty much everyone I knew liked them, especially Episode III. And they liked it for reasons that people hate them for today (usually the "kickass" lighsaber fights). It wasn't until people had some time to sit and actually reflect on the movies that they realized "hey, maybe these movies aren't actually as good as I thought they were."

[QUOTE=Pascall;49531728]The real question is, why does it bother you so much that he likes it???[/QUOTE] That doesn't bother me, what bothers me is that people are willing to look past all the awful shit in a movie and that just shows that you can make some piece of shit movie but if you just have some moment or two that people will like, they won't care that the rest is bad. And that's just an awful message.

[QUOTE=simkas;49531755]That doesn't bother me, what bothers me is that people are willing to look past all the awful shit in a movie and that just shows that you can make some piece of shit movie but if you just have some moment or two that people will like, they won't care that the rest is bad. And that's just an awful message.[/QUOTE] He just said he's not denying that there are flaws. I'm pretty sure people who actively deny that there are a lot of things wrong with the movie are not as grand a population as you think. I can enjoy a movie and still look critically at it. I can enjoy a song and still look critically at it. Same with TV shows, books, video games, etc. etc. There are elements to things that can be objectively bad, but the thing as a whole can still hold meaning or substance to [I]someone[/I], somewhere. For me, I can recognize that the prequels don't even hold a candle to the originals, but I first saw the prequels with someone who is my best friend who introduced me to the series as a whole. It means something to me and because of that, I can enjoy the movies because they hold a value to me, despite their technical flaws. I don't get why that's deserving of people chomping at the bit to say "well the movies are bad, so you're wrong".

[QUOTE=simkas;49531720]But how? They make up the entire movie. Do you really like the action scenes that much that you aren't bothered that every single other part of the movie is boring and makes no sense? [editline]15th January 2016[/editline] Hell, how the fuck do you look past Jar Jar?[/QUOTE] I just don't find the "long conversation scenes" boring. I don't see anything wrong with the pacing, the CGI or Camerawork, sure they might be objectively bad, but I simply don't notice them because those sorts of details aren't what I pay attention to or care enough to think about.

[QUOTE=The mouse;49531803]I just don't find the "long conversation scenes" boring. I don't see anything wrong with the pacing, the CGI or Camerawork, sure they might be objectively bad, but I simply don't notice them because those sorts of details aren't what I pay attention to or care enough to think about.[/QUOTE] Then what do you pay attention to then? That's the whole movie.

[QUOTE=simkas;49531808]Then what do you pay attention to then? That's the whole movie.[/QUOTE] I don't really know how to explain it to you. When I watch a movie, I don't sit there and think "This movie has good or bad pacing/Camerawork"

[QUOTE=bdd458;49518387]The music is actually really good (especially Rey's theme), I just feel the mixing is weird as hell since you barely actually hear the music during the movie at times.[/QUOTE] only a few good measures of Rey's theme the rest is half ass fluff, the quite lonely introduction of Rey works but williams failed in expanding upon it further. For instance there were moments of using Glissando on the flute when it should had been a rest or even an accent for her theme and I remember vividly being correct because I focused on the music the second time watching it. Phillip Glass would do a better job with snoke's theme in varying progression. If you go back and listen to older john williams scores, they can be heard with the volume turned down to a pianissimo. You can hear him having a harder time by episode 3, but there are the good few that stand out from each prequel movie. The next time I'm watching I'm getting other musicians I know an we'll be writing something for the film. I would like to make [sp]a sith theme for Rey so her lightsaber battle fits better, she showed fear and anger in her face against kylo and cut him up as well[/sp] (can't have have the benefit of a real orchestra, but software is decent enough to prove a point) Maybe John Williams is sick or had a stroke and can't pull off what David Bowie did in the end, but it doesn't excuse such a bland score. [QUOTE=FingerSpazem;49518373]I think you're forgetting about the near-instant backlash the prequel movies received that seems to be absent with the 7th movie. also it's on par, just letting you know[/QUOTE] people were not coming right out and criticizing episode 1, it took time, about when people started to get the word sunk in that episode 2 was a love theme.

[QUOTE=Cone;49518469]nobody could have made "FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL" sound compelling. even poor ol' Ewan McGregor often seems tangibly annoyed with the quality of his lines[/QUOTE] Man, they could have delivered that so much better. Make him point out the zealotry of the jedi or how cloning people for the sole purpose of war might be morally wrong. literally anything other than "WELL I THINK THE JEDI ARE EVIL"

[QUOTE=Cone;49518469]nobody could have made "FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL" sound compelling. even poor ol' Ewan McGregor often seems tangibly annoyed with the quality of his lines[/QUOTE] Isn't there behind the scenes footage of Ewan complaining about how since everything is CG he has nothing to look at or react to?