• UN talk about how Pokemon is full of killing, D&D is Santanic, reddit and harddrives used as sources
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[QUOTE=itisjuly;48773612]The ones that care about mens stuff are in a huge minority. You never see them in the news or articles or any mainstream media. [/QUOTE] The second sentence here doesn't necessarily imply the first one. The most extreme of any group is almost always the loudest, and the loudest are usually the ones that get the most media attention. I'd say that the vast majority of feminists are also for men's rights, they just aren't tremendously active or loud.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;48773748]The second sentence here doesn't necessarily imply the first one. The most extreme of any group is almost always the loudest, and the loudest are usually the ones that get the most media attention. I'd say that the vast majority of feminists are also for men's rights, they just aren't tremendously active or loud.[/QUOTE]And that's the problem. If you're not active or unheard, your participation in a movement has little worth. While the more extreme ones are being loud and gather more supporters, the sane ones stay in the shadows and in the end accomplish nothing because they don't have the resources.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48773612]Thousands of people disagree. She's one of the feminism icons and to say that she's not a feminist is quite silly at this point. Obviously quite a huge feminist crowd thinks she is a feminist. Oh boy can't wait to see when feminism splits into groups and go to war against one another. [editline]27th September 2015[/editline] Feminism consists of a lot of different individuals. Some care, some are straight up against any sort of mens rights. It's not one big group of like-minded people. Oh no. Each group that labels themselves feminist stands for something else. The ones that care about mens stuff are in a huge minority. You never see them in the news or articles or any mainstream media. They exist, sure, but their impact is not felt at all, only further buried under the label. Caring about men is kinda sexist by itself according to many. I always hear feminists go "but feminism cares about men" and then there is only silence of wind. Show me at least 2 examples where feminists have successfully achieved something related to mens rights.[/QUOTE] Pretty much anyone that argues that there's nothing wrong with men being less masculine is a feminist. Social changes that let men feel comfortable caring about their appearance are pretty much only promoted by feminism in my experience. The idea of a strong working woman and a caring stay at home dad is a classic feminist idea. The idea that women aren't all nice and weak and actually commit crimes and do things that people think only men do is like feminism 101. And I'm having a hard time finding examples of laws that anyone has changed because they negatively impacted men, probably because there aren't really any
Good thing it's just the UN or something might have actually come of this
[QUOTE=Rubs10;48773791]Pretty much anyone that argues that there's nothing wrong with men being less masculine is a feminist. Social changes that let men feel comfortable caring about their appearance are pretty much only promoted by feminism in my experience. The idea of a strong working woman and a caring stay at home dad is a classic feminist idea. The idea that women aren't all nice and weak and actually commit crimes and do things that people think only men do is like feminism 101. And I'm having a hard time finding examples of laws that anyone has changed because they negatively impacted men, probably because there aren't really any[/QUOTE] That's all fine and dandy, but these are ideas that you hardly hear anywhere. And they are just a small thing. What about something more real, like divorce laws, or custody laws. Or the fact that overall women get a lot softer sentences. Yes, some feminists preach that "women can be evil too" but you don't actually see anyone press it in laws because it benefits women. Or what about during a domestic abuse call the man gets detained even if the woman was the attacker? These feminists usually just go "yeah men should have rights too" and then go off and do something unrelated to what they say. Aka a lot of words but no actual action from these equality feminists. Words mean nothing if you don't actually stand behind them and do something about the issues. If it benefits only men then you won't see any action taken to fix an issue. Only if it benefits women and also happens to benefit men on the side. But if it's a man only issue they'll just say they care and move on to something else. Yes, some things feminists do happen to benefit men too, but it is not a men centric movement and will not be for a long time if ever. The feminists who actually care about these issues are either too little or too passive.
People still think D&D is satanic? What is this, the 80s? Granted, I started worshipping the dark lord right around the same time I started playing it but those two things are completely unconnected!
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48773612]Thousands of people disagree. She's one of the feminism icons and to say that she's not a feminist is quite silly at this point. Obviously quite a huge feminist crowd thinks she is a feminist. Oh boy can't wait to see when feminism splits into groups and go to war against one another.[/QUOTE] I suppose it comes down to whether or not feminism is defined by what feminism always has been defined as or what new feminists themselves define it as but then again there are likely a lot of active feminists that would agree with me and think all this bollocks dilutes their movement. I get that, but feminism is a movement with history, it had a clear goal and Sarkeesian's beliefs are quite clearly contradictory with that goal.
[QUOTE=Rossy167;48773898]I suppose it comes down to whether or not feminism is defined by what feminism always has been defined as or what new feminists themselves define it as. I get that, but feminism is a movement with history, it had a clear goal and Sarkeesian's beliefs are quite clearly contradictory with that goal.[/QUOTE] I don't think you can compare feminism of then to feminism of now. They're two totally different things at this point. Feminism evolved as everything does with time. The goal(equality) is now not a goal but a milestone. Do you think feminism will cease to exist once equality in all areas is achieved(which is impossible due to biology, unless we genetically engineer one sex)? No it won't. It has branched out and at this point you can't ignore it. Saying someone is not feminist based on old criteria is hardly a valid assertion.
[QUOTE=proch;48773112]The UN has lost touch with reality, what else is new[/QUOTE] don't forget the head of human's right's in the UN is from saudi arabia
I lost it when I saw it say "The Undernet"
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48773927]No it won't. It has branched out and at this point you can't ignore it. Saying someone is not feminist based on old criteria is hardly a valid assertion.[/QUOTE] Feminism is an umbrella term anyway. With so many radically different schools of thought at eachothers throat it really is becoming a meaningless term. [QUOTE=Exooodus;48773986]I lost it when I saw it say "The Undernet"[/QUOTE] Megaman Battle Network was a fantastic series.
I disagree with most of what they were trying to achieve, but there was a few bits that stood out for me. Whom ever was going around, mailing employers to sack their workers over online shenanigans are real dicks. Nothing justifies career sabotage like that. Also doxxing is out of order as well. IMO if you want to be a prick online fine, but keep it online. We don't serve our freedom of speech any justice if we are going to abuse it, by effecting lives outside of the web. [sp]And I'm not limiting this issue to just petty drama feminists.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Dark Swan;48774025]I disagree with most of what they were trying to achieve but there was a few bits that stood out for me. Whom ever was going around, mailing employers to sack their workers over online shenanigans are real dicks. Nothing justifies career sabotage like that. Also doxxing is out of order as well. IMO if you want to be a prick online fine, but keep it online. We don't serve our freedom of speech any justice if we are going to abuse it, by effecting lives outside of the web. [sp]And I'm not limiting this issue to just petty drama feminists.[/sp][/QUOTE] You do know Zoe Quinn has pretty much done exactly that herself. Instead of mail she would just use her twitter followers.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48774032]You do know Zoe Quinn has pretty much done exactly that herself. Instead of mail she would just use her twitter followers.[/QUOTE] Well in that case she is a dick as well.
Zoe is a horrible person, no idea who or why even let her into UN talk.
I'm gonna agree with ReviewTechUSA about this situation. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ5Zrnksh3M[/media]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48774114]Zoe is a horrible person, no idea who or why even let her into UN talk.[/QUOTE] She posted on a SA board dedicated to encouraging furries and other similarly disparaged internet groups to commit suicide, a board infamous for its [I]confirmed kill[/I]. [t]http://i.imgur.com/mB0RD0m.png[/t] She also doxxed and outed a pro-gamergate transperson and allegedly physically abused her boyfriend. Here were are. Another feminist icon.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48774204]a SA board dedicated to encouraging furries and other similarly disparaged internet groups to commit suicide, a board infamous for its [I]confirmed kill[/I]. [/QUOTE] That part right there is why there is an issue to begin with. Trying to make people commit suicide is appalling.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48774204] Here were are. Another feminist icon.[/QUOTE] She's not a feminist icon, she's more like an accidental saint to the cause, the perfect victim in need of protection.
[QUOTE=Alexandroras;48774122]I'm gonna agree with ReviewTechUSA about this situation. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ5Zrnksh3M[/media][/QUOTE] Rich tends to be completely on point when it comes to these things, just look at the video before that one AC: London Edition's trans character. I don't agree with him on everything, but yeah, he never fucks about with us and his opinion is always complete rational and formed out of fact and reason. We need more guys like him.
[QUOTE=Dark Swan;48774492]That part right there is why there is an issue to begin with. Trying to make people commit suicide is appalling.[/QUOTE] Well it makes any point she has about harassment meaningless. Being an active member in a community dedicated to doxxing and harassment over hobbies.
Would AsteroidRules please come out and defend this as they are always prone to do?
I still remember all these other Facepunchers like "Guys they're totally just a small minority on tumblr that can't do anything lol"
lol "santanic" Fucking santa clause stop role playing and start giving starving kids food or something.
I feel like these people are the "all talk and no action" type of activist. They are willing to complain a lot but not willing to improve society.
[QUOTE=Psycho9182;48776162]I still remember all these other Facepunchers like "Guys they're totally just a small minority on tumblr that can't do anything lol"[/QUOTE] It's sad to see those two clowns get so high, but alas I can only personally shrug at ideas for people to come to their senses and stop them before they get an audience with a more serious group like Congress maybe? Otherwise, an outdated Group listens to a con artist and a legit insane person spout on about bullshit in their never ending quest to simply screw with the internet, as apposed to talk about legit feminist issues in the world. I mean if I were a popular feminist and I could speak with the UN, I'd tottaly get right on top of the Middle East situation toot suite. [editline]27th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Domokun;48776797]I feel like these people are the "all talk and no action" type of activist. They are willing to complain a lot but not willing to improve society.[/QUOTE] That's the only hope I have for us all, that in the end while Anita and Zoe talk huge and certainly their fans talk huge, they're all just too lazy to see it happen and would rather just wait for a random event to simply give them what they exactly want.
[QUOTE=Domokun;48776797]I feel like these people are the "all talk and no action" type of activist. They are willing to complain a lot but not willing to improve society.[/QUOTE] Well it is the UN so
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48777064]It's sad to see those two clowns get so high[/QUOTE] Well they're high because they're popular, specifically among feminists. Sure you have people like Malala (who refused to be called a feminist until pressured to by a crowd) and Ayanne Hirsi who gets called an Islamaphobe by progressive feminists but other than that feminism in the west focuses on some pretty pointless stuff.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48777818]but other than that feminism in the west focuses on some pretty pointless stuff.[/QUOTE]Because for the most part you don't need feminism in the west any more. All the serious issues have been ironed out. All you have now are just a few social ones. So out of boredom they start picking on anything they can to stay relevant.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48778089]Because for the most part you don't need feminism in the west any more. All the serious issues have been ironed out. All you have now are just a few social ones. So out of boredom they start picking on anything they can to stay relevant.[/QUOTE] Those few social issues are some pretty serious fucking issues. A lot of them are just people being assholes but many are things that have been socially ingrained. One issue is that feminism has gotten most people to think critically about the negative assumptions and stereotypes about women, but not as much about negative assumptions and stereotypes against men. Hell, a lot of so-called feminists have actually made that issue worse. The whole Zoe Quinn debacle hinges on people taking Zoe Quinn's side just because she's a woman. I think we need feminism, real feminism, in the west more than we have in a decades, especially with this this "fake feminism" threatening to undo all of the work that real feminists have made.
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