[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29746936]I don't really see the fuss about jokes that are racist or sexist or whatever, as long it's not mean't seriously and it's amde very clear it's a joke I don't see the problem.[/QUOTE]
racism isn't very funny at all
sure stereotypes are funny(i guess from peoples reactions when i said i eat dogs as an opening about my speech about pets(i'm a bad speech giver)) i guess as long as everyone is fairgame but i don't think it's right in the first place.
Change TH89s title to Huge Feminist :v:
Hey guys I live in California and I am wondering why people get all upset about malaria??? Stop taking it so seriously, just relax and enjoy your life, like me!
[QUOTE=TH89;29746967]It's easy to say "oh I'm not affected by media" but you are. Advertisers love people who think they're "too smart" to be influenced by ads because they don't even have their guard up, and the same is true with games and music and TV etc etc. Mass media is a huge part of how we form our ideas about how to treat certain kinds of people, what's cool and uncool, etc.
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That is fully well true, and I would be a hypocrite if I said I wasn't. All I am saying is that if someone pointed out to me that I have generalized a section of society wrongly, I would reevaluate what I think of them. (I.e, If someone said I thought that all women are sluts, and that I realized that I have subconsciously generalized them, then I would reevaluate my standing/thoughts towards them)
That is considering if I have been subconsciously manipulated to have that point of view, which isn't always the case.
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Basically, You shouldn't generalize a whole culture, but base your feelings on an individual (as in, If a girl acts like a dick to me, I think that she is a dick, not all girls)
[QUOTE=SHOH;29747072]That is fully well true, and I would be a hypocrite if I said I wasn't. All I am saying is that if someone pointed out to me that I have generalized a section of society wrongly, I would reevaluate what I think of them. (I.e, If someone said I thought that all women are sluts, and that I realized that I have subconsciously generalized them, then I would reevaluate my standing/thoughts towards them)[/QUOTE]
Calling any women "sluts" is kind of evidence of a negative attitude towards women in general (specifically that they shouldn't be allowed to have sex a lot if they want, like men are)
[QUOTE=TH89;29747170]Calling any women "sluts" is kind of evidence of a negative attitude towards women in general (specifically that they shouldn't be allowed to have sex a lot if they want, like men are)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that was probably a bad example
Hey Id play a game if they put an average or even ugly female in it. But I must be the minority since videogames rarely do.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;29747362]Hey Id play a game if they put an average or even [b]ugly[/b] female in it. But I must be the minority since videogames rarely do.[/QUOTE]
i found your game [IMG]http://scrawlfx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Blade-Kitten-GDC-Details.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=TH89;29746967]It's easy to say "oh I'm not affected by media" but you are. Advertisers love people who think they're "too smart" to be influenced by ads because they don't even have their guard up, and the same is true with games and music and TV etc etc. Mass media is a huge part of how we form our ideas about how to treat certain kinds of people, what's cool and uncool, etc.
[editline]11th May 2011[/editline]
White man doesn't think racism and sexism are a big deal, news at 11.[/QUOTE]
Racism and sexism are a big deal, however as long it is made clear that no harm is mean't by the joke (and as long as the joke isn't too offensive) I don't see the problem.
[QUOTE=Helpme1212;29745479]Hey, are we talking about sexism or are we playing "talk about shit no one else knows about"?[/QUOTE]
you know what anatomy is
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29747404]Racism and sexism are a big deal, however as long it is made clear that no harm is mean't by the joke (and as long as the joke isn't too offensive)[/QUOTE]
then it isn't a funny joke
tell me a racist joke that's funny
any racist joke
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29747404]Racism and sexism are a big deal, however as long it is made clear that no harm is mean't by the joke (and as long as the joke isn't too offensive) I don't see the problem.[/QUOTE]
well what was meant by the joke has no influence on what the joke causes
i can "playfully" call a gay black person a "niggerfaggotdick" but saying "no offense" won't really change anything
[editline]10th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;29747437]then it isn't a funny joke
tell me a racist joke that's funny
any racist joke[/QUOTE]
ironic racist jokes are funny
like when jewish comedians talk about how they were at the Zionist meeting yesterday and decided that coincidentally sweden was also their homeland
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;29747399]i found your game [img_thumb]http://scrawlfx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Blade-Kitten-GDC-Details.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Sorry according to my furry friend shes the bees knees.
Duke Nukem is fun for both parties.
[QUOTE=thisispain;29747447]well what was meant by the joke has no influence on what the joke causes
i can "playfully" call a gay black person a "niggerfaggotdick" but saying "no offense" won't really change anything
[editline]10th May 2011[/editline]
ironic racist jokes are funny
like when jewish comedians talk about how they were at the Zionist meeting yesterday and decided that coincidentally sweden was also their homeland[/QUOTE]
he didn't say jews were worse than another race though
he only used a stereotype of zionistic jews which really isn't racism
[QUOTE=TH89;29747170]Calling any women "sluts" is kind of evidence of a negative attitude towards women in general (specifically that they shouldn't be allowed to have sex a lot if they want, like men are)[/QUOTE]
It's just different. I don't have any logical basis for saying this and I'm totally not subconsciously sexist but men and women are different. Men can have sex and that's okay but women should not unless the male demands (and even then it only looks bad for the woman) so because that's just how the world works. Also I'm not objectifying women I just think that they should not be able to choose what they want to do with their lives. They just do not have the mental capacity as us white Americans. Again I don't have any real reason to think this this is just what I've learned to accept as the common consensus from my incredibly broad world experiences...
in the Southern US.
but seriously i hear this type of shit all the time
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;29747437]then it isn't a funny joke
tell me a racist joke that's funny
any racist joke[/QUOTE]
I tried but all I can think of are jokes about the amish
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29741133]Well I agree wit hthat, but it's stuff like gears of war where the men seem to wear normal combat uniform, yet anya has now decided to go out in tight leather pants, which just seems a bit daft to me since you would want to wear something that was combat efficient not restrictive.[/QUOTE]
Marcus is losing armor. Over these three games each game took off more armor. Is he not also a victim of this "sexism".
they're all matching [img]http://barkcity.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/gears-of-war-3-delta-squad.jpg[/img]
where do those girls get the time to apply eye shadow and pluck their eyebrows?
Somewhat relevant and kinda funny.
There's going to be a formal announcement for the next Soul Calibur game in a few weeks and some fans were asking questions...well, just check out the response. I'm sure you can understand what the question was by the image:
[img]http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/130/5/6/soul_calibur_boobs_matters_by_hybridrain-d3g192a.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29747404]Racism and sexism are a big deal, however as long it is made clear that no harm is mean't by the joke (and as long as the joke isn't too offensive) I don't see the problem.[/QUOTE]
Again, just because you, White Guy, do not see a problem with racism and sexism [I]does not mean the problem is not there[/i]. You are not some kind of ultra-rational robot who sees things more clearly than all us hotheaded whiny overreacting minorities. You are a product of your own privilege and take for granted your ability to live without being institutionally discriminated against. You had no part in that and don't need to feel guilty about it, but your continued insistence that since things are great for YOU everyone else should just sit back and stop complaining about things you like to do to them is pretty tiresome.
[editline]11th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;29747529]he didn't say jews were worse than another race though
he only used a stereotype of zionistic jews which really isn't racism[/QUOTE]
Is this supposed to be ironic or not I can't tell :smith:
Vidya , Vidya games, Vidya games.
Comics are like that too:
[img]http://www.popgunchaos.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/256952-72871-power-girl.jpg[/img]
Need you say more?
[img]http://images.wikia.com/starcraft/images/5/54/Nova_SC-G_Art2.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=gokuman4594;29749983]Need you say more?
[img_thumb]http://images.wikia.com/starcraft/images/5/54/Nova_SC-G_Art2.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
[img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090804093045/half-life/en/images/thumb/a/a5/Ep1_citadel_030008.JPG/830px-Ep1_citadel_030008.JPG[/img]
[QUOTE=TH89;29746414]If the joke is indistinguishable from what games do as a not-joke all the time, is it really a joke?
[img_thumb]http://gyazo.com/56cfec5320dd36cc4d2bb9d32f1bea3e.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Actually, the whole game is a massive joke.
And the males(If you can call them that) are even more fucked up, one has a chainsaw for an arm. Another has now jaw or left arm with a blade strapped to freaky stubble right arm. The scariest one has two what I can best describe is massive meatgrinder puncher things with lights on his body and metal plate on his head.
Also, WIIIIIITCH!
Oh god, I forget the wife's name in Red Dead Redemption! FUCK! HOW COULD I FORGET!
[QUOTE=TH89;29746414]If the joke is indistinguishable from what games do as a not-joke all the time, is it really a joke?
[img_thumb]http://gyazo.com/56cfec5320dd36cc4d2bb9d32f1bea3e.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
the scantily clad nurses are important to the narrative of silent hill though
represents the complete obsession with the lack of sex that haunts the main character after his wife dies
at least present in silent hill
(im coming into this convo without reading the thread so don't hate)
[QUOTE=usaokay;29752460]Wait a god damn minute...
[img_thumb]http://www.game-damashi.com/pcfps/killingfloor/images/fleshpound01.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
My point----->yourface
The whole game is a mix of "HOLY MOSES WHAT IS THAT!?" to "LOLOLOLOLOL DOSH! LOADSEMONE!"
But we're now off topic. I still don't know if its sexist but I'll say its not because you're not really thinking about women really, except for maybe the trader is now replaces with the Anger core from Portal.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;29726571]Metal Gear Solid 4.
You could right a 400 page analysis on sexism with MGS4[/QUOTE]
MGS4 portray sexism in a different way. Most of the "sexism" things that happen in that game can actually be justified. I.e Naomi dresses kind of skimpy, and by pressing r1 in certain situations snake can actually look up her dress etc.
But stop and think for a bit. Who's looking up her dress? You? Or snake? Kojima obviously wanted to portray Snake (disregarding the super-soldier part) as the average joe who likes tits and ass. Yes, it is still sexist, but to a certain point. Straight males (whether they admit it or not) DO look at attractive girls, and that's just the way it is.
[QUOTE=TH89;29746967]White man doesn't think racism and sexism are a big deal, news at 11.[/QUOTE]
Yeah this really doesn't help your argument. He was pointing out that if you make a joke and everyone realises it was a joke, then it isn't trying to be racist. It's just trying to be funny. You've twisted his words so you can make it seem as if he is implying that he doesn't care about racism, when in fact he was pointing out that racism is a problem, but it doesn't mean we have to be super serial about it all day long.
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