Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.
I say we cut all major medical and food supply lines and only keep help to a minimum and then let them fend for themselves. They aren't going to develop by being babied, they have to get by just like every other nation in the world did thousands of years ago.
As long as we want their resources for cheap, we won't do shit about it.
[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;16061738]Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.
I say we cut all major medical and food supply lines and only keep help to a minimum and then let them fend for themselves. They aren't going to develop by being babied, they have to get by just like every other nation in the world did thousands of years ago.[/QUOTE]
Wow, you seriously haven't looked at a history textbook have you. You seem to have no idea why they are in the situation they are in.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;16060683]Before you can honestly help the African countries, you need to get rid of the warlords and corrupt governments who just steal it, sell all the aid and use the money they get to buy more guns to steal even more aid.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, let's send the CIA in to overthrow anyone we don't agree with ! :downs:
Isn't the problem that these africans have like 6 or 7 kids in the hope that 1 survives, so they all end up starving, rather than having 1 or 2 kids and actually feeding them proper?
[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;16061892]Isn't the problem that these africans have like 6 or 7 kids in the hope that 1 survives, so they all end up starving, rather than having 1 or 2 kids and actually feeding them proper?[/QUOTE]
the problem is that there are lots and lots and lots of problems and not just one single issue that you can boil it down to
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[QUOTE=ohgodshana2;16061874]Yeah, let's send the CIA in to overthrow anyone we don't agree with ! :downs:[/QUOTE]
Reagan did it all the time and people love him so
[QUOTE=ohgodshana2;16061874]Yeah, let's send the CIA in to overthrow anyone we don't agree with ! :downs:[/QUOTE]
What? I didn't mention anything about that.
I said that until the people stealing the aid and money are gone, the problem will never be solved.
lern 2 red.
[QUOTE=SenorJose;16058494]As opposed to what, feeding fat americans?[/QUOTE]
Your so funny, I have never heard the fat americans joke before.
The reason they're starving is because the country got robbed of their natural resources(Diamons, Gold, Platinum)
If the western world didn't rob them in the first place, they wouldn't be starving.
Also, all the warlords and crime are some of the main factors that don't let the country advance. :cop:
Well, we can't exactly just let them die.
What we could do is have a better distribution network in place so warlords can't just jack the food for themselves, and spend more effort and resources on getting real farming and such working, instead of making them dependent on a constant flow of food from us.
If you don't want to help, don't. Let other people do what they want.
Fuck 'em.
i find it funny that africa has enough farmable land to feed all of earth, yet we send them food.
[url]http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/2/31/43040036.pdf[/url]
[url]http://www.fao.org/news/story/en/item/20964/icode[/url]
there are 400 Million hectares of farming land available in africa
Africa has so many problems with education, diseases, resources, government, people dying in young ages and money. Much as I hate people suffering, corruption, and starvation I don't think I would be much of a help.
It would be in my wildest dreams that Africa becomes a superpower.
This saying should be put into application.
“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime"
What we should be doing is to support african governments and support the development of democracy and the education of government officials aswell as the people in africa instead of just dumping food and money into inefficient charity organizations.
[QUOTE=Overwatch 7;16063138]This saying should be put into application.
“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime"[/QUOTE]
I agree wholeheartedly. The key lies in educating the people.
ITT: People think Africans can't feed themselves.
Most people just can't afford the food. So we export to them for free or for a cheap price.
No, it just prolongs their starvation a few days.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;16060198]You see, back in the day the European countries raped Africa for all it had and left it to die. Now we, (and by we I mean the United States) feel it's our duty to help them out.
I know just cutting off resources to them would be wrong, but I somewhat agree with the op. Were spending resourses to keep them alive, but nothing is getting better for them in terms of living conditions, and government and what not. It's like keeping a person in a coma alive. You pay tons of money, but have little chance of improvement. We're just wasting money. (Technically we're not wasting it if we're keeping people alive, but right now I'm just using the term on a larger scale) We should cut support and let the region settle out. Eventually someone is going to grab power, and establish a government. We just have to influence the right government type.[/QUOTE]
America isn't the only nation lending a helping hand to Africa, if that's what you're getting at. And I believe America had their share of African slaves.
[QUOTE=Foda;16063091]i find it funny that africa has enough farmable land to feed all of earth, yet we send them food.
[url]http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/2/31/43040036.pdf[/url]
[url]http://www.fao.org/news/story/en/item/20964/icode[/url]
there are 400 Million hectares of farming land available in africa[/QUOTE]
Those types of people are too fucking stupid to do anything.
Saying we should build schools and wells instead of give them food and medical supplies is easy when we you're not dying from starvation.
[QUOTE=Agmemnon;16063124]Africa has so many problems with education, diseases, resources, government, people dying in young ages and money. Much as I hate people suffering, corruption, and starvation I don't think I would be much of a help.
It would be in my wildest dreams that Africa becomes a superpower.[/QUOTE]
You may end up eating your words one day. China was a meaningless country until the rich nations started building factories there so they could manufacture products at near-slave-labor expense. All that investment turned China into an economic giant, and sooner or later they'll start wanting a better quality of life, and that'll drive labor prices up and make the westerners look somewhere else for cheap labor, and there's only one place left...
For every problem, there is a final solution.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;16063494]You may end up eating your words one day. China was a meaningless country until the rich nations started building factories there so they could manufacture products at near-slave-labor expense. All that investment turned China into an economic giant, and sooner or later they'll start wanting a better quality of life, and that'll drive labor prices up and make the westerners look somewhere else for cheap labor, and there's only one place left...[/QUOTE]
I never expect Africa as a superpower to be a good thing, just an idea that all.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;16063494]You may end up eating your words one day. China was a meaningless country until the rich nations started building factories there so they could manufacture products at near-slave-labor expense. All that investment turned China into an economic giant, and sooner or later they'll start wanting a better quality of life, and that'll drive labor prices up and make the westerners look somewhere else for cheap labor, and there's only one place left...[/QUOTE]
You're missing the part where Africa is like this because those "rich nations" which left, and I'm pretty sure they don't plan on coming back, so Africa is going to stay just like it is.
[QUOTE=sp00k!;16063473]Saying we should build schools and wells instead of give them food and medical supplies is easy when we you're not dying from starvation.[/QUOTE]
That isn't the point really.
It is them who are dying from starvation, not us.
For Africa to learn and evolve, there will have to be some deaths along the way. These deaths will be learnt from and solutions to problems will begin to be formulated.
On another note, I hate how people just donate without actually doing anything real to help. I mean think about it, what if the person who gets your money is a complete asshole? Do you actually know the people who you are donating to? No.
If you give such a shit about these people that you have never met before and do not know then why don't you go over there and help them yourself by teaching them shit or at least handing the money over to people you personally get along with there?
[quote=used car salesman;16063494]you may end up eating your words one day. China was a meaningless country until the rich nations started building factories there so they could manufacture products at near-slave-labor expense. All that investment turned china into an economic giant, and sooner or later they'll start wanting a better quality of life, and that'll drive labor prices up and make the westerners look somewhere else for cheap labor, and there's only one place left...[/quote]
[b]The moon![/b]
There is nothing wrong with the aid packages. A large part of the problem isn't their fault. There is Drought, Aids, Disease.. not to mention the Militia Death Squads.
To solve it? Well.. I'm not a war monger, but I personally think we need to kick some ass. We can send as many aid packages we like but we just ignore the militant bastards in power who steal all the aid money, rape and pillage their own people.. It's absurd. Never mind these 'UN Peace Troops' bullshit. Let's get the F-16's in and people like Mugabe out.
[QUOTE=ArtemisEntreri;16058450]I personally think helping Africa with it's medical and food problems makes the problems worse. The reason they are starving in the first place is because we are helping to keep them alive longer and they haven't changed breeding habits at all. So the population continues to grows immensely and the death rate also slowed allot. They lose the ability more and more to help themselves, do to dwindling food supplies. I'd be all for feeding them and taking care of them if they erected some sort of population control system as China does.
Of course a more harsh way to do so would be to stop helping altogether and let the problem solve itself natural selection and all that.
How do you feel?[/QUOTE]
No, the reason they're starving is that we fucked them over a couple of centuries ago.
We, being white people none of us knew.
Isn't the problem the droughts?
When droughts hit Africa it's like glass jars full of shit smashing on the ground.
Animals die, people die, people don't have water drink, people can't grow food or hunt.
Then all the poverty builds up and people start stealing from each other (Eventually turning into warlords and shit,)
And of course all the shit Westerners have been doing, basically pouring salt on the wound.
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