I'm pretty sure there's atleast [B]ONE[/B] other planet out there with some sort of living lifeforms.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;33277407]The thing about the universe is. If it can happen it will happen.[/QUOTE]
So why doesn't everything exist and nothing not?
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[QUOTE=Noble;33276912]There is no "hard evidence" at all to suggest that we are the only planet with life. In fact there is plenty of reason and evidence to believe quite the opposite.[/QUOTE]
We lack any evidence of life on other planets, yet have tons of evidence that there's life on this one.
[QUOTE=Noble;33276912]There is no "hard evidence" at all to suggest that we are the only planet with life. In fact there is plenty of reason and evidence to believe quite the opposite.[/QUOTE]
All our observable evidence suggests that we are the only planet with life, however probability suggests that we are not
Evidence isn't limited to seeing something happen before your eyes though. If we can observe that a planet has the right conditions to support liquid water (in the "goldilocks zone") and meets other conditions which would potentially support life, I find that good reason to believe that life could exist there.
absolutely not
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[QUOTE=Noble;33276912]There is no "hard evidence" at all to suggest that we are the only planet with life. In fact there is plenty of reason and evidence to believe quite the opposite.[/QUOTE]
in no way is that true
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;33278299]absolutely not
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in no way is that true[/QUOTE]
Statistics speak against there being only one unique planet with life. We've observed so extremely little of the universe and still managed to find several possible candidates to life-supporting planets. Scale this up to include the whole universe and suddenly the chances of life existing elsewhere aren't so small.
Chances aren't evidence.
There are possibly infinite amounts of planets out there, I believe it's probable that many out there can support life.
[QUOTE=Jookia;33277645]So why doesn't everything exist and nothing not?[/QUOTE] Well because not everything is. We have already seen life once. The chances of it only happening once are low.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;33278299]absolutely not
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in no way is that true[/QUOTE]
So are you telling me you're going to try to prove a negative by offering me hard evidence against the existence of extra terrestrial life? Please point out to me how other planets having evidence of liquid water on the surface and evidence of conditions suitable to life is not a good enough reason to believe life may exist there?
Lets be honest anyone with a argument against life being out there is dumb, the size of the universe! there could be anything out there , sadly we just dont have the technology to get there :(
We have already found proof of life outside our planet(Mars for example).. but I guess you mean "Intelligent" life?
Along time ago Religion was made up to fill man's question's about the universe, as they had no hardened proof of anything that could've created them.
Religion never had anything to do with science anyways, and it is 99% likely other sentient beings or life forms could possibly exist out there. But we don't have the technology to find this out yet. We've seen UFO's and many other "Strange" activities on this planet.
[QUOTE=Noble;33278815]So are you telling me you're going to try to prove a negative by offering me hard evidence against the existence of extra terrestrial life? Please point out to me how other planets having evidence of liquid water on the surface and evidence of conditions suitable to life is not a good enough reason to believe life may exist there?[/QUOTE]
oh... crap, i thought you were arguing against it... bad reading on my part.
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[QUOTE=Im Crimson;33278470]Statistics speak against there being only one unique planet with life. We've observed so extremely little of the universe and still managed to find several possible candidates to life-supporting planets. Scale this up to include the whole universe and suddenly the chances of life existing elsewhere aren't so small.[/QUOTE]
same here
Fuck no.
Of course not, if life was brought from an asteroid to Earth, then it had to come from somewhere.
[QUOTE=Splarg!;33273241]Which religions actually say that?[/QUOTE]
None specifically state it, but most creation stories seem to reject the idea that anything that isn't human would be capable of developing civilization. Humans are typically portrayed the final and most important part of the world/universe's creation, with everything that was made beforehand existing for the sake of their survival.
Most people don't follow those stories down to the letter nowadays, so it's not like entire religions would vanish the moment we discovered life on other planets.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;33281160]oh... crap, i thought you were arguing against it... bad reading on my part.[/QUOTE]
Ah alright, no big deal
12 billions years and quadrillions of goldilocks zone bodies make any one opinion irrelevant. The actual question is will we ever find any ourselves.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;33278593]Well because not everything is. We have already seen life once. The chances of it only happening once are low.[/QUOTE]
I've only seen Steve Jobs once, so the chances of another Steve Jobs existing in the rest of the people on the planet has high chances?
[b]We don't know what the chances of life are. All we know is that we're the only confirmed planet with life on it and there's no others with life on it. That's the answer to the debate.[/b]
If by 'life' you mean a living thing with cells in it, then propably yes.
Take some basic elements, put them together, give some heat or electricity, see what happens.
Now find a planet with right conditions and some basic elements in it, maybe some came from asteroid or such, then have a lightning strike and give some time and something may happen
God damnit..
Nobody knows. Nobody can know. Nobody can estimate. Nobody can estimate an estimate.
Stop using words like "probability" and "statistically". We don't know if it's more probable that we aren't alone, than that we are. There are no numbers to crunch. We can only guess and believe.
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[b]We don't know what the chances of life are. All we know is that we're the only confirmed planet with life on it and there's no others with life on it. That's the answer to the debate.[/b][/QUOTE]
Exactly!
Yes.
It would take the worst luck in the history of the universe for this to be the only life-supporting planet in the universe, so likely no.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;33285503]God damnit..
Nobody knows. Nobody can know. Nobody can estimate. Nobody can estimate an estimate.
Stop using words like "probability" and "statistically". We don't know if it's more probable that we aren't alone, than that we are. There are no numbers to crunch. We can only guess and believe.
Exactly![/QUOTE]
Not really true, we can only really guess but we have information that can help us guess. We pretty much know what is required of a planet to support life, we know where we are likely to find these and we also know the size of the visible universe. We also have ideas on how life can form in a given environment. This alone is a pretty nice ground from which we can estimate the likeliness of life existing elsewhere.
There is no universal law that says estimating such a thing is impossible.
[QUOTE=ToxicX;33273026] In fact there is a solar system above ours with a planet called Gliese 581g that supports life[/QUOTE]
Sorry?
There's been life found on the moon. Oh, wait, those were astronauts.
Well, seeing that there are probably about 10 quadrillion stars in the universe, I think that perhaps as many as 100 billion could harbour very low level life, and a few billion slightly more complex life.
[QUOTE=Jookia;33285233][b]We don't know what the chances of life are. All we know is that we're the only confirmed planet with life on it and there's no others with life on it. That's the answer to the debate.[/b][/QUOTE] There is a difference. Unless there is some reason that we know of that makes life special there is no reason to not believe there is more then one. The chances of there being one planet is far less then there being more then one. We don't know exactly what the chances are but we can safely say its probably not the percentage which causes only one intense. If we didn't know exactly what caused a black hole its pretty safe to assume that once you find one there are going to be others.
I think it's funny how life on our planet has come so far to question whether there's others like us out there. :v:
I believe there's a planet out there with nothing but plants, or maybe an alien stone-age.
Maybe there's aliens just like us, saying the exact same thing we're saying now on a forum called "Thoraxkick".
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