I just got back from my shooting class. - General

OP is mature.

OP doesn't understand purchasing a deagle brand deagle.

[QUOTE=Asswipe;25144722]For what? A CCL? You don't even need a CCL to own any firearms. Just to conceal one. They don't teach you anything for that anyways. They just employ a Marine or something to sit there and act like he is teaching you something. [B] OT: Also I used Serenity 2.5 to dick around on your TNB shit Valdor. Twas' good shit DM'ing everyone on your CP.[/B][/QUOTE] The hell does that even mean.

OP has played too many videogames.

I'm not going to brag on shooting skills because I don't have bluetooth on this laptop to port target pictures over from my phone, so instead I'll show you what I can. I primarily do gunsmithing. And by gunsmithing, I mean building up exotic custom stuff and tuning it to run as good as any of the best guns out there. With a dremel tool, dental picks, diamond files, and some oil you can do pretty much anything. Here's the 1911 I built: [IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/25oz9m1.jpg[/IMG] It's a Kimber LTPII that has had basically everything replaced except for the slide and frame. I rechambered it to 460rowland, put G10 grips on it, a wilson combat speed chute, and did a bunch of random internal work to get the gun to cycle properly when it's now firing a round roughly at double the velocity it was intended to. Here's my saiga 12: [IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/24gpnoj.jpg[/IMG] I've put an absurd amount of time into working on this gun, by far what I've gone the furthest with and had the best results with. For times sake I'll just list the mods: (Also, before you go thinking "OMG THAT MUST BE HEAVY," it actually isn't, it's lighter than those new shitty bushmaster ACRs.) MDarms 20 round drum ACE 8.5" Skeleton stock Aluminum internal block with receiver tang ground off Tromix DIY conversion trigger guard Tapco SAW grip Tromix modified tapco G2 trigger group w/Polish and 3pound trigger pull Tapco Intrafuse forend Tac47 indst. Auto gas regulator plug Streamlight TLR-3 (temporary lighting option) Bolt reprofiled and polished to mirror finish Bolt carrier polished to mirror finish FCG, all contact points polished to mirror finish My AR15 and MSAR are nothing special, and are mainly just modified with various bolt ons. The rest of my handguns are pretty well stock because I didn't want to fuck up something that came out of the box almost perfect. I only modified my sig because the model I wanted didn't come in 357sig so I had to rebarrel it. [QUOTE=PwnNoobsFtw;25140039]Why would you ever want a five seven[/QUOTE] Gee, I don't know, because they hold 20 rounds in a service sized concealable handgun? Because they'll outshoot match accurate competition guns? Because they have a usable range of at least 100 yards if your eyesight is up to it? Because fully loaded they weigh 1.6 pounds? I've had mine for 2 years now and love it, but it isn't my personal preference for something to use against another person. In a pinch, it'll certainly be a hell of a lot better than a 38 special, but it's more of a gun that's truly intended to play the role of a "last resort" weapon. I carry a glock 37 (Fullsize 45gap) for my daily CCW, so take that how ever.

Guns are for people who can't fight hand to hand

[QUOTE=Ghibli;25147084]Guns are for people who can't fight hand to hand[/QUOTE] Tell that to the fat guy that pops you when you go to fight him hand to hand. As far as handguns go, I absolutely love SIG. I'd recommend their firearms if you're serious, OP. Mortician, is yours a 226? I remember you posted pics a while back but I can't remember which one it is. I'm looking at a 226 in .357 SIG at the local shop.

I have, they didn't do shit. Don't act like you know me.

[QUOTE=Ghibli;25147084]Guns are for people who can't fight hand to hand[/QUOTE] Because that's totally why I box, fence, and shoot.

Different story when the person willingly acts tough because he's carrying a gun, which is every shithead with a doo-rag and a group of guys behind him. [editline]07:24AM[/editline] Seriously you are a coward if you take out a gun in a fist fight one on one. Maybe it's me but I have no fascination with things that shoot hot lead out of one end.

I love skeet shooting, just good old fashion fun. The guns I have shot are... Benelli Super Nova pump 12 gauge Smith and Wesson .338 Tarus Raging Bull .454 casull Remington 30-06 Desert Eagle .44 (VERY NICE GUN) Winchester .375 lever action Guns are just plain fun, I remember firing off my first .22 and smiling afterwards.

I've only fired two guns in my life. A .308 Winchester (I think it was Winchester) rifle and a .22 rifle. I completely missed the target I was shooting at with the .308 because I wasn't expecting near that much recoil. (It was also my first time ever firing a gun.)

[QUOTE=Ghibli;25147325]Different story when the person willingly acts tough because he's carrying a gun, which is every shithead with a doo-rag and a group of guys behind him. [editline]07:24AM[/editline] Seriously you are a coward if you take out a gun in a fist fight one on one. Maybe it's me but I have no fascination with things that shoot hot lead out of one end.[/QUOTE] ye mann fuckin PUCHN them armd crimnels to deth :c00l::c00l::c00l::c00l::c00l::frogc00l: Any ordinary person carrying a firearm would know to not brag about it or brandish it unnecessarily, and only use it in a situation where their life is in imminent danger. E.G. Assailants armed with a deadly weapon such as a knife or firearm, especially so if they're attacking. Three or more unarmed assailants can also easily overpower and kill someone.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;25147309]Because that's totally why I box, fence, and shoot.[/QUOTE] By the way non of that bullshit you just mention will matter if some 5 year old who's in a bad mood pulls a gun on you and you shit yourself before you have your brains all over a bathroom wall. Alot of good boxing and fencing did against a small piece of metal going through your head.

[QUOTE=Ghibli;25147444]By the way non of that bullshit you just mention will matter if some 5 year old who's in a bad mood pulls a gun on you and you shit yourself before you have your brains all over a bathroom wall. Alot of good boxing and fencing did against a small piece of metal going through your head.[/QUOTE] What if you're armed? CCW permits exist for a reason.

[QUOTE=Loen;25147430]ye mann fuckin PUCHN them armd crimnels to deth :c00l::c00l::c00l::c00l::c00l::frogc00l: Any ordinary person carrying a firearm would know to not brag about it or brandish it unnecessarily, and only use it in a situation where their life is in imminent danger. E.G. Assailants armed with a deadly weapon such as a knife or firearm, especially so if they're attacking. Three or more unarmed assailants can also easily overpower and kill someone.[/QUOTE] What are you on about, if someone pulls a gun on me I'm not going to punch them to death. It is completely reasonable that the minute someone pulls a weapon out you have to 1 up them immediately no matter what. But if you are just losing a fist fight 1 on 1 and you pull a gun just because, then you have to be the biggest pussy in the world. [editline]07:45AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Loen;25147467]What if you're armed? CCW permits exist for a reason.[/QUOTE] Then by all means fill him/her full of holes.

[QUOTE=Ghibli;25147299]I have, they didn't do shit. Don't act like you know me.[/QUOTE] lol aren't you mister hardass. [QUOTE=Nazereth666;25147374]Desert Eagle .44 [B](VERY NICE GUN)[/B][/QUOTE] No it isn't.

Weapons are useless...

[QUOTE=Ghibli;25147480]What are you on about, if someone pulls a gun on me I'm not going to punch them to death.[/QUOTE] My mistake, I misread your post. [QUOTE=Ghibli;25147480]It is completely reasonable that the minute someone pulls a weapon out you have to 1 up them immediately no matter what.[/QUOTE] I agree. [QUOTE=Ghibli;25147480]But if you are just losing a fist fight 1 on 1 and you pull a gun just because, then you have to be the biggest pussy in the world.[/QUOTE] Being a "pussy" is alot better than being bruised, bloodied, and potentially deformed or even crippled for life. At the end of the day, pride and honour don't mean jack fucking shit. You're either the winner or the loser. [QUOTE=Ghibli;25147480]By all means fill him/her full of holes.[/QUOTE] Well put. [QUOTE=dafour;25147517]Weapons are useless...[/QUOTE] Literally millions of annually reported incidents where firearms have been used for protection of life and property beg to differ. In addition to this, hunting is common in low income families who would otherwise be unable to sustain themselves, and hunters are one of the biggest donors and contributors to supplying meats to soup kitchens.

[QUOTE=dafour;25147517]Weapons are useless...[/QUOTE] Unless you're being attacked by someone who is armed or unless you are hunting.

[QUOTE=dafour;25147517]Weapons are useless...[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dPcUXqZ3cA[/media] [editline]07:58AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Loen;25147523]Being a "pussy" is alot better than being bruised, bloodied, and potentially deformed or even crippled for life. At the end of the day, pride and honour don't mean jack fucking shit. You're either the winner or the loser. [/QUOTE] I think at that point humanity goes out the window, when a human's psyche is at its breaking point is when we really show our debilities, things like desperation overcomes us. There are no trivial things like "winners" or "losers" 'cus that justifies things like "honor" and "pride". There is only grief and who ever is left alive will have to deal with it... or not.

[QUOTE=Ghibli;25147529] I think at that point humanity goes out the window, when a human's psyche is at its breaking point is when we really show our debilities, things like desperation overcomes us. There are no trivial things like "winners" or "losers" 'cus that justifies things like "honor" and "pride". There is only grief and who ever is left alive will have to deal with it... or not.[/QUOTE] You're missing my point. My point is that preservation of life and well being is paramount over any sort of things like "honor" and "pride". The simple fact and truth is that at the end of a fight, the person who successfully overcomes a threat to his well being is the "winner", regardless of any method they used to achieve so.

[QUOTE=Loen;25147621]You're missing my point. My point is that preservation of life and well being is paramount. Meaningless Societal and cultural concepts like "pride" and "honor" throw humility out the window.[/QUOTE] But imagine if you were put in the spot, You somehow by luck ended up shooting the guy in the hand he had the gun on, now he's on the floor arms completely useless, you could pull the trigger and you have every reason to, and you could end someone's life on the spot. Right now if you let him go he'll probably never come back, he probably will. But your brain is too high from what just happened you can't think straight so here's your "gut feeling" talking to you now. Would you let your sense of survival take over and deal with the possible consequences later? Do you pull the trigger? I know it sounds stupid and impossible. But ask any Vietnam veteran what where they aiming for when they spotted an enemy.

[QUOTE=Ghibli;25147730]But imagine if you were put in the spot, You somehow by luck ended up shooting the guy in the hand he had the gun on, now he's on the floor arms completely useless, you could pull the trigger and you have every reason to, and you could end someone's life on the spot. Right now if you let him go he'll probably never come back, he probably will. But your brain is too high from what just happened you can't think straight so here's your "gut feeling" talking to you now. Would you let your sense of survival take over and deal with the consequences later? Do pull the trigger?[/QUOTE] Reread my post, I edited it.

[QUOTE=Loen;25147772]Reread my post, I edited it.[/QUOTE] It is true, that a winner is is a winner, that's just how it is, but at what cost? [editline]08:33AM[/editline] Been nice talking to you, but I gotta go. Peace

[QUOTE=Ghibli;25147794]It is true, that a winner is is a winner, that's just how it is, but at what cost?[/QUOTE] I'm morely thinking of a gun being used as a powerful tool of intimidation. I can't honestly think of any ramifications of revealing a concealed firearm in order to avoid any violent confrontation altogether; or to stop one already happening in fear of well being, whether they're armed or not. I recall seeing a statistic some time ago which shows that in all recorded incidents where a defender used a firearm against a dangerous assailant(s), 98% were stopped without a single shot being fired.

[QUOTE=piranhamatt2;25137301]I know what you mean.. i got like 700 headshots with the barrett on MW2, therefore I'm good enough for real life army sniper yeh[/QUOTE] What? That's not what this kid's talking about at all. Not once did he suggest he was at all proficient at using weaponry because he had played video games.

[QUOTE=MuTAnT;25147931]What? That's not what this kid's talking about at all. Not once did he suggest he was at all proficient at using weaponry because he had played video games.[/QUOTE] Didn't you know video games makes you incredibly good with weapons? I've been playing Doom for 16 years so I guess I'm set if I ever get drafted... :downs:

Thinking that video games would make you good at shooting guns is like thinking that telling someone to play bowling for you would make you good at bowling.

[QUOTE=Loen;25148177]Thinking that video games would make you good at shooting guns is like thinking that telling someone to play bowling for you would make you good at bowling.[/QUOTE] im pretty sure that playing bowling on wii sports makes you a better bowler, its just so realistic.