[QUOTE=Lankist;17112526]Read the thread. We've been through that.[/QUOTE]
I've read the past few pages, i'm not going to read anymore. What he said was wrong without clarification. "human freedoms outweigh human life" is a wrong position to hold in the most extreme senses.
Oh Darn, already crushed.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;17112498]A corpse has the freedom to do nothing.[/QUOTE]
So, you'd rather be alive and free to do nothing? Your safety is your responsibility. You should not infringe my right to do most things, if anything(Killing and normal laws obviously are different).
[QUOTE=Camundongo;17112556]Hence why either extreme cannot be strived for by itself. Freedom is as important as the life needed to enjoy it.[/QUOTE]
Straddling the line destroys both life and freedom.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112557]I've read the past few pages, i'm not going to read anymore. What he said was wrong without clarification. "human freedoms outweigh human life" is a wrong position to hold in the most extreme senses.[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot. You purposely misread that just to sound like you have a point.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112557]I've read the past few pages, i'm not going to read anymore. What he said was wrong without clarification. "human freedoms outweigh human life" is a wrong position to hold in the most extreme senses.[/QUOTE]
You do not understand what freedom implies in anything but an anarchist context.
We are saying everyone should be free to do anything, PROVIDED it does not violate another individual's right to the same.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17112563]Straddling the line destroys both life and freedom.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
There is no freedom to take freedom.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112557]I've read the past few pages, i'm not going to read anymore. What he said was wrong without clarification. "human freedoms outweigh human life" is a wrong position to hold in the most extreme senses.[/QUOTE]
So you're dumb and you chose to be dumb because you don't want to read the whole thread and learn how to not be dumb.
Enjoy your dumb.
If stealing and the like infringes on others freedom to life, then [b]significant[/b] threats to others health should be banned as well.
Such as drunk driving, drug abuse..
Fuck this, I have to do homework.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112595]If stealing and the like infringes on others freedom to life, then [b]significant[/b] threats to others health should be banned as well.
Such as drunk driving, drug abuse..[/QUOTE]
Not again...
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112595]If stealing and the like infringes on others freedom to life, then [b]significant[/b] threats to others health should be banned as well.
Such as drunk driving, drug abuse..[/QUOTE]
Wow Deja Vu.
OhhhHHhhHHh Lankist!
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112595]If stealing and the like infringes on others freedom to life, then [b]significant[/b] threats to others health should be banned as well.
Such as drunk driving, drug abuse..[/QUOTE]
Nobody is saying drunk driving should be legal.
Nobody is saying driving while high should be legal.
We ARE saying doing harm to yourself and yourself only is a very fundamental part of freedom.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17112563]Straddling the line destroys both life and freedom.[/QUOTE]
How so? If the government making me wear a seatbelt forces me to do so, therefore allowing me to live longer, then surely I can partake in more of the freedoms offered to me? And fight for more?
Again, read the thread.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17112601]Fuck this, I have to do homework.[/QUOTE]
Pansy. I'm doing homework at the same time.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112595]If stealing and the like infringes on others freedom to life, then [b]significant[/b] threats to others health should be banned as well.
Such as drunk driving, drug abuse..[/QUOTE]
Except those aren't threats. Drunk driving is, drug abuse isn't a threat to anyone else. If drugs weren't illegal, there wouldn't be such a large group built around them. Ever heard of the prohibition? It made alchohol the most popular thing ever.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;17112613]How so? If the government making me wear a seatbelt forces me to do so, therefore allowing me to live longer, then surely I can partake in more of the freedoms offered to me? And fight for more?[/QUOTE]
You can't have both. Half freedom isn't freedom, half life* isn't life.
*HURRRRRRRRR
[QUOTE=:smug:;17108346]but gambling and drugs lead to crime
[/QUOTE]
well, thats because they'll illegal. it leads to crime because if somebody rips off/cheats/steals from somebody they use violence rather than taking them to court. you cant take somebody to court with somebody who stole drug money from you.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112595]If stealing and the like infringes on others freedom to life, then [b]significant[/b] threats to others health should be banned as well.
Such as drunk driving, drug abuse..[/QUOTE]
drunk driving is banned
As long as you add free market rights, I completely agree. If not, your statement is contradictory.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;17112613]How so? If the government making me wear a seatbelt forces me to do so, therefore allowing me to live longer, then surely I can partake in more of the freedoms offered to me? And fight for more?[/QUOTE]
The fact there's no law mandating that you wear a seatbelt does not make you incapable of wearing a seatbelt.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;17112613]How so? If the government making me wear a seatbelt forces me to do so, therefore allowing me to live longer, then surely I can partake in more of the freedoms offered to me? And fight for more?[/QUOTE]
But you would wear the seatbelt anyway
That law does not buckle the seatbelt for you. You would wear the seatbelt regardless of a law.
Jesus Christ how do you people not get that?
[QUOTE=Camundongo;17112613]How so? If the government making me wear a seatbelt forces me to do so, therefore allowing me to live longer, then surely I can partake in more of the freedoms offered to me? And fight for more?[/QUOTE]
Jesus, do you people TRY and miss the point?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;17112621]Except those aren't threats. Drunk driving is, drug abuse isn't a threat to anyone else. If drugs weren't illegal, there wouldn't be such a large group built around them. Ever heard of the prohibition? It made alchohol the most popular thing ever.[/QUOTE]
Drug abuse breeds crime which breeds violence and infringement on others freedom to life. Just because it's indirect does not mean it should be allowed.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;17112613]How so? If the government making me wear a seatbelt forces me to do so, therefore allowing me to live longer, then surely I can partake in more of the freedoms offered to me? And fight for more?[/QUOTE]
Do you suddenly lose common sense if it isn't mandated?
[QUOTE=The Epidemic;17108391]But I thought laws shouldn't be based on morality :downs:[/QUOTE]
As right as you may think you are, it's kiddie porn, dude.
What the fuck.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17112625]You can't have both. Half freedom isn't freedom, half life* isn't life.
*HURRRRRRRRR[/QUOTE]
God dammit
It's like saying we need laws to wear condoms.
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