[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;17112805]What?
No, people are going to wear a seatbelt because they don't want to [B]die[/B]. That's the biggest and best consequence. They aren't going to wear it because they are going to get a ticket.
That's like not jumping off a building because you're worried you're going to die, but because you might damage a guys Porsche parked on the street below because you might get fined for the damages.[/QUOTE]
Ugh. I've been driving with people all the time who say "put on your seatbelt I don't want a ticket" and that would be the motive behind keeping your seatbelt on.
Your analogy fails because people are smart enough not to jump off buildings. Some people are stupid and don't think that wearing a seatbelt is that much of a safety concern. No one is going to jump off a 20 story building onto concrete and live.
Furthermore with legalization comes discretionary probation. If somebody commits violent crime to buy legal drugs you can ban them from using drugs as an individual. It's both affordable, effective and a tested method!
[QUOTE=Camundongo;17112862]I said increased. You already have the risk of death or serious injury. The added chance of a fine or jail increases the chance that something bad will happen to you because you don't wear a seatbelt, thus dissuading people.[/QUOTE]
You can't go to jail for not wearing a seat belt, only a ticket. Not wearing a seat belt can kill others people too.
[QUOTE=Ragy;17112844]Do you have any idea on how much money gets wasted on the war on drugs? The war on drugs has failed since Nixon declared it and it will always fail.
The government can not and will never be able to track all drugs.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. If it was legal like Alcohol... That's what we're talking about. Alcohol is a drug too.
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[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112894]Ugh. I've been driving with people all the time who say "put on your seatbelt I don't want a ticket" and that would be the motive behind keeping your seatbelt on.
Your analogy fails because people are smart enough not to jump off buildings. Some people are stupid and don't think that wearing a seatbelt is that much of a safety concern. No one is going to jump off a 20 story building onto concrete and live.[/QUOTE]
Them being stupid doesn't warrant a law.
[QUOTE=Ragy;17112903]You can't go to jail for not wearing a seat belt, only a ticket. Not wearing a seat belt can kill others people too.[/QUOTE]
So can flying off of a motorcycle.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17112887]And telling me to call it maths[/QUOTE]
It's like the British government put a control word in us so cause extreme mental cringy-ness when that word is said.
[QUOTE=Ragy;17112903]You can't go to jail for not wearing a seat belt, only a ticket. [B]Not wearing a seat belt can kill others people too.[/B][/QUOTE]
Christ, everyone keeps bringing this up and yet I, who has been with this thread since near the beginning, haven't given a shit about it.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112820]I actually specifically said to respond to my post that has content. I didn't use "you are elitest therefore I win the argument" so it isn't an ad hominem.
It would drop, but it would still be a major problem. When you get a drug that creates extreme physical and mental addiction you can't control what a underprivileged person will do to get it.[/QUOTE]
So does alcohol. You're too young to know anything about drugs I'm sure.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17112920]So can riding flying off of a motorcycle.[/QUOTE]
God [B]thank you[/B]
[QUOTE=Lankist;17112821]If a person values money over their life that's their problem, not the world's.
Have you ever used drugs or been underprivileged?[/QUOTE]
Actually it is the worlds problem. If a person starts shooting people because they need money for heroin you are going to be effected.
I've only done weed, and of course that holds no value in the discussion because my personal experience with a drug has nothing to do with the general trend.
I haven't been underprivileged.
I like this thread, is funny to me.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112894]Ugh. I've been driving with people all the time who say "put on your seatbelt I don't want a ticket" and that would be the motive behind keeping your seatbelt on.
Your analogy fails because people are smart enough not to jump off buildings. Some people are stupid and don't think that wearing a seatbelt is that much of a safety concern. No one is going to jump off a 20 story building onto concrete and live.[/QUOTE]
If somebody likes their body in the current configuration, when they get in a car they will put their seat belt on. If they don't care, their loss if they get in a wreck.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112956]Actually it is the worlds problem. If a person starts shooting people because they need money for heroin you are going to be effected.
I've only done weed, and of course that holds no value in the discussion because my personal experience with a drug has nothing to do with the general trend.
I haven't been underprivileged.[/QUOTE]
...Did you ignore everything Lanklist said? Go back and read the post.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112956]Actually it is the worlds problem. If a person starts shooting people because they need money for heroin you are going to be effected.
I've only done weed, and of course that holds no value in the discussion because my personal experience with a drug has nothing to do with the general trend.
I haven't been underprivileged.[/QUOTE]
Shooting people is already illegal.
If you've never been underprivileged you need to stop trying to do what's best for them.
That's like the fat, white men who debate on whether or not women should be able to get abortions.
It doesn't affect you at all.
[QUOTE=Uberkitty;17109023]No, because people like methamphetamine and it's their right to create and consume it.[/QUOTE]
But does it danger others? when someone takes LSD and drives and kills someone then what do you say, DUH still should be legal.
or when the guy on LSD has a gun and thinks his friend is a giant monster trying to kill him...
Oecleus, what you propose is borderline thought crime. Punishing people who MIGHT commit crime. You don't punish a crime until it's been committed.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;17112996]But does it danger others? when someone takes LSD and drives and kills someone then what do you say, DUH still should be legal.
or when the guy on LSD has a gun and thinks his friend is a giant monster trying to kill him...[/QUOTE]
That's the users actions and responsibilities, not the drug.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;17112996]But does it danger others? when someone takes LSD and drives and kills someone then what do you say, DUH still should be legal.
or when the guy on LSD has a gun and thinks his friend is a giant monster trying to kill him...[/QUOTE]
Uhh, driving high would be illegal.
Shooting people would be illegal.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;17112996]But does it danger others? when someone takes LSD and drives and kills someone then what do you say, DUH still should be legal.
or when the guy on LSD has a gun and thinks his friend is a giant monster trying to kill him...[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot for thinking that about LSD. You've never done it, that's not how it works.
Beyond that, it's already illegal to fire a gun off randomly, beyond that, if you actually read what lanklist said rather than just ignoring it.. >.<
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17112956]Actually it is the worlds problem. If a person starts shooting people because they need money for heroin you are going to be effected.
I've only done weed, and of course that holds no value in the discussion because my personal experience with a drug has nothing to do with the general trend.
I haven't been underprivileged.[/QUOTE]
If a person starts shooting people then he should be punished. Nobody is saying; "If some jackass is high/ needs money for drugs and shooting people he can't be charged with the crime."
If you got that message you are... Unfortunate. :downs:
[QUOTE=b00ce;17113040]If a person starts shooting people then he should be punished. Nobody is saying; "If some jackass is high/ needs money for drugs and shooting people he can't be charged with the crime."
If you got that message you are... Unfortunate. :downs:[/QUOTE]
He's trying to make the point that everything possible should be done to prevent the crime before it's committed.
But like Lankist said: A crime is not a crime until it's committed. And trying to 'prevent' crimes from happening before they are even committed can lead down some really scary paths (thought crimes).
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;17113064]He's trying to make the point that everything possible should be done to prevent the crime before it's committed.
But like Lankist said: A crime is not a crime until it's committed. And trying to 'prevent' crimes from happening before they are even committed can lead down some really scary paths (thought crimes).[/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to ban thought crimes, there shouldn't be the need to kill someone for money or drugs in the first place.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17112972]Shooting people is already illegal.
If you've never been underprivileged you need to stop trying to do what's best for them.
That's like the fat, white men who debate on whether or not women should be able to get abortions.
It doesn't affect you at all.[/QUOTE]
It does effect me, how can you be so incredibly ignorant? Violence over getting money for drugs is definitely going to hurt the social status of the area.
How about we stop people from shooting eachother before they even have the desire to? By banning and heavily patrolling drug trafficing.
[QUOTE=b00ce;17112961]If somebody likes their body in the current configuration, when they get in a car they will put their seat belt on. If they don't care, their loss if they get in a wreck.[/QUOTE]
It's their loss and everyone elses in the car, or maybe the rare case of a body being flung out of a car and hurting or killing someone. I don't see why people want the freedom to openly hurt themselves, would you like a company that allowed people to die even though they could have stepped in?
Are you serious? You're saying the crime will happen whether or not it will, so arrest them/don't let them do anything before it even happens. Shootings happen one way or another. You can't ban the circumstances which cause the shooting. That's changing what people are and who they are, NOT YOUR RIGHT.
The more you ban drugs, the more popular they get, the more people will do them. It doesn't work like that. Jesus.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17113094]How about we stop people from shooting eachother before they even have the desire to? By banning and heavily patrolling drug trafficing.[/QUOTE]
That is fascism and thought crime.
Pushing down harder on people will only cause a revolt.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17113142]That is fascism and thought crime.[/QUOTE]
I can't believe he even said that.
Go to the Drug Discusion channel and tell me everyone there would shoot someone for another hit of anything? None of them/us would. It's not the drug. It's the person. What's so hard to get about that.
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[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;17113169]I can't believe he even said that.[/QUOTE]
He belongs in 1984.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;17113179]Go to the Drug Discusion channel and tell me everyone there would shoot someone for another hit of anything? None of them/us would. It's not the drug. It's the person. What's so hard to get about that.[/QUOTE]
Drugs like meth are so strong that people will choose to overdose and die so they can have a stronger high.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;17113064]He's trying to make the point that everything possible should be done to prevent the crime before it's committed.
But like Lankist said: A crime is not a crime until it's committed. And trying to 'prevent' crimes from happening before they are even committed can lead down some really scary paths (thought crimes).[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the insight, but my point still stands. :keke:
Punishing someone for something they didn't/ wont do is silly at best. You can only punish someone after the fact, or else it's pointless. Unless you can tell the future: :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;17113179]Go to the Drug Discusion channel and tell me everyone there would shoot someone for another hit of anything? None of them/us would. It's not the drug. It's the person. What's so hard to get about that.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, because stoners on facepunch are a good sample size of how it works in society. You're a fucking idiot.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;17113127]Are you serious? You're saying the crime will happen whether or not it will, so arrest them/don't let them do anything before it even happens. Shootings happen one way or another. You can't ban the circumstances which cause the shooting. That's changing what people are and who they are, NOT YOUR RIGHT.
The more you ban drugs, the more popular they get, the more people will do them. It doesn't work like that. Jesus.[/QUOTE]
Violence will inevitably happen, so what if a choosen people can't sit on cloud 9? If it saves lifes and saves people from killing people, I'm all for it.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17113142]That is fascism and thought crime.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying punish the people who are addicted to drugs because they will inevitably kill someone, i'm saying remove the drugs so there will never be the temptation.
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