Laws shouldn't be based on morality - General

Most laws are in effect to protect people, even legislations that prohibit victimless crimes such as the use and posession of drugs are ultimately in effect for peoples' protection.

I disagree with a lot of your ideas. Drug laws are good. It's like seat belt laws- seat belts don't kill people, not wearing seat belts kills people, so there's not much to lose. [I]Most[/I] drugs ruin lives, and [I]most[/I] drugs are very addictive. There's a reason we put surgeon general warnings on cigarette packages. Now if only the US could man it up and do what the UK does, and cover half the package with "SMOKING KILLS." instead of "Smoking's not good for you" in a tiny box in the corner.

[QUOTE=MR-X;17108819]That is what law is its rules based on public opinion and standards. (Most of the time)[/QUOTE] Public opinion will be guided by religious morality, generally.

Morality is what I say is right and IMMORALITY is what I say is wrong, you gotta understand this

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17108846][I]Most[/I] drugs ruin lives, and [I]most[/I] drugs are very addictive. There's a reason we put surgeon general warnings on cigarette packages.[/QUOTE] So regulate and tax drugs, and stick a fuckin' warning on the label, but give people the option if they choose it. It's called freedom. [editline]05:28PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnBlackJay;17108868]Morality is what I say is right and IMMORALITY is what I say is wrong, you gotta understand this[/QUOTE] You're a cheater (apparently), I'm not listening to you.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17108846]I disagree with a lot of your ideas. Drug laws are good. It's like seat belt laws- seat belts don't kill people, not wearing seat belts kills people, so there's not much to lose. [I]Most[/I] drugs ruin lives, and [I]most[/I] drugs are very addictive. There's a reason we put surgeon general warnings on cigarette packages. Now if only the US could man it up and do what the UK does, and cover half the package with "SMOKING KILLS." instead of "Smoking's not good for you" in a tiny box in the corner.[/QUOTE] In Australia the cigarette boxes have pictures of things like gangrenous feet and people with mouth cancer.

[QUOTE=Malumbre;17108749]The same could be said for alcohol, which is legal. Come off it.[/QUOTE] Hence why it is illegal to be drunk and disorderly. Also, why shouldn't laws protect people from themselves? For instance, seat belt laws. People are more likely to buckle up if they could be arrested for not doing so. Surely saving lives is a good thing?

[QUOTE=Malumbre;17108901]So regulate and tax drugs, and stick a fuckin' warning on the label, but give people the option if they choose it. It's called freedom. [/QUOTE] That logic would be valid if drugs only hurt those who use them.

[QUOTE=Malumbre;17108901]So regulate and tax drugs, and stick a fuckin' warning on the label, but give people the option if they choose it. It's called freedom.[/QUOTE] Riddle me this: If you could remove [I]all[/I] methamphetamine from the world, and somehow make the process for creation of methamphetamine impossible to complete, and cure any and all methamphetamine addicts of their addiction, thus absolutely removing methamphetamine from the world in its entirety... Would you? If you said yes, then what the [I]fuck[/I] sense does it make to legalize and just include a warning? What do we gain? If you said no, then... Please explain to me why we should keep it. What does methamphetamine do for us that's beneficial?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17109002]Riddle me this: If you could remove [I]all[/I] methamphetamine from the world, and somehow make the process for creation of methamphetamine impossible to complete, and cure any and all methamphetamine addicts of their addiction, thus absolutely removing methamphetamine from the world in its entirety... Would you? If you said yes, then what the [I]fuck[/I] sense does it make to legalize and just include a warning? What do we gain? If you said no, then... Please explain to me why we should keep it. What does methamphetamine do for us that's beneficial?[/QUOTE] No, because people like methamphetamine and it's their right to create and consume it.

[QUOTE=zzzzac1V3;17108206]um tldr [highlight](User was banned for this post (""tldr"" - GunFox))[/highlight][/QUOTE] I read that paragraph in thirty seconds. You're just a lazy sod. Anyway, I agree.

this is a dumb idea and I disapprove morals 1 you 0

so i can start throwing paint at your house, painting it in the color i like, or throw garbage over your lawn, i can go on....

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17109002]Riddle me this: If you said yes, then what the [I]fuck[/I] sense does it make to legalize and just include a warning? What do we gain? [/QUOTE] Another option to ruin your life, and damaging others. Besides I'm pretty sure he's only talking about weed.

[QUOTE=Faren;17108939]In Australia the cigarette boxes have pictures of things like gangrenous feet and people with mouth cancer.[/QUOTE] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg/125px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png[/img]:hf:[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/125px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png[/img]

Drugs are illegal to keep people from hurting themselves. Though people kill other people to get the drugs. There will never be a perfect law.

[QUOTE=Uberkitty;17109023]No, because people like methamphetamine and it's their right to create and consume it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Uberkitty;17109023]people like methamphetamine[/QUOTE] lol How many addicts do you think really are [I]glad[/I] they began using meth?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17109162]lol How many addicts do you think really are [I]glad[/I] they began using meth?[/QUOTE] I bet this guy had a blast: [media]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Suspectedmethmouth09-19-05.jpg/250px-Suspectedmethmouth09-19-05.jpg[/media] And so did the others who contracted HIV from dirty needles and unprotected sex they were having while high.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;17108953]Hence why it is illegal to be drunk and disorderly. Also, why shouldn't laws protect people from themselves? For instance, seat belt laws. People are more likely to buckle up if they could be arrested for not doing so. Surely saving lives is a good thing?[/QUOTE] Seatbelt laws are there for the protection of other drivers/pedestrians, and family members from becoming distraught after the death of a loved one.

[QUOTE=Malumbre;17109187]Seatbelt laws are there for the protection of other drivers/pedestrians, and family members from becoming distraught after the death of a loved one.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Malumbre;17109187][B]Drug laws[/B] are there for the protection of other [B]people[/B], and family members from becoming distraught after the death of a loved one.[/QUOTE] Also, is the [I]main[/I] reason the government wants you to wear your seat belt for your [I]family's[/I] sake? Is not the [I]person's[/I] safety a factor?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17109162]lol How many addicts do you think really are [I]glad[/I] they began using meth?[/QUOTE] Probably none, but that doesn't matter, they did it regardless of the law. Now they're considered criminals and may not be willing to seek out help for their addiction. [editline]05:47PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Elecbullet;17109221]Replace "seat belts" with "drug laws" and "drivers/pedestrians" with "other people".[/QUOTE] It's an entirely different thing, if you ask me. You choose to take the drug, most likely knowing the consequences, and there are ways out if you become hooked. You don't choose to be in an accident that turns someone in the vehicle into a dangerous projectile. There's probably no way to beat being thrown from a windshield and smashing into a child.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17109221]Replace "seat belts" with "drug laws" and "drivers/pedestrians" with "other people".[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Malumbre;17109187]Seatbelt laws are there for the protection of other drivers/pedestrians, and family members from becoming distraught after the death of a loved one.[/QUOTE] Drug laws laws are there for the protection of other other people, and family members from becoming distraught after the death of a loved one All kidding aside, I don't think your meth addiction hurts that guy driving in front of your house where you should do it. And only there.

[QUOTE=Malumbre;17109224]Probably none, but that doesn't matter, they did it regardless of the law. Now they're considered criminals and may not be willing to seek out help for their addiction.[/QUOTE] You said earlier that people like meth. What was that then? It IS a problem for the people who are addicted but that's why we have [url=http://www.montanameth.org/][u]Meth: Not Even Once[/u][/url].

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17109221]Also, is the [I]main[/I] reason the government wants you to wear your seat belt for your [I]family's[/I] sake? Is not the [I]person's[/I] safety a factor?[/QUOTE] Well, it's up to them to watch out for their own safety. I think the laws are there simply to protect others.

Well, I partly agree with this, but I partly don't. Laws were founded on moral principles. Drugs were made illegal because of what they lead to; crime to get the money to buy more. Though I will say; illegalizing them did lead to drug smuggling gangs. Some moral-based laws such as making drugs illegal are double-edged swords; they have their advantages, but they have their disadvantages also.

[QUOTE=Malumbre;17109224]Probably none, but that doesn't matter, they did it regardless of the law. Now they're considered criminals and may not be willing to seek out help for their addiction.[/QUOTE] Not really. If you are actively trying to fight a drug addiction, then the law will not be after you. You can only be arrested for possession or possession with intent to supply. Another point against drugs - they tend to be heavily tied up with gang violence. Surely this is a bad thing? And meths labs are extremely dangerous and liable to explode, which again is against the public interest.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;17109307]Not really. If you are actively trying to fight a drug addiction, then the law will not be after you. You can only be arrested for possession or possession with intent to supply. Another point against drugs - they tend to be heavily tied up with gang violence. Surely this is a bad thing? And meths labs are extremely dangerous and liable to explode, which again is against the public interest.[/QUOTE] Well highly regulated corporations could make meth. You know, in safe ways.

[QUOTE=Malumbre;17109224]It's an entirely different thing, if you ask me. You choose to take the drug, most likely knowing the consequences, and there are ways out if you become hooked. You don't choose to be in an accident that turns someone in the vehicle into a dangerous projectile. There's probably no way to beat being thrown from a windshield and smashing into a child.[/QUOTE] But you [I]choose[/I] to put yourself at risk by not wearing your seat belts. You most likely know the consequences. And it's a [I]lot[/I] easier to stop [I]not[/I] wearing your seat belt than it is to quit meth. Also, if I were flying out of my car in an accident, I wouldn't be worried about smashing into a child. I'd be worried about [I]"OH JESUS FUCK I'M GONNA DIE"[/I]

[QUOTE=Camundongo;17109307]Not really. If you are actively trying to fight a drug addiction, then the law will not be after you. You can only be arrested for possession or possession with intent to supply.[/quote] Which is completely retarded and pointless when it comes to something like weed. [quote]Another point against drugs - they tend to be heavily tied up with gang violence.[/QUOTE] Because they are illegal. You don't see gang members fighting over something like alcohol. If alcohol was illegal, criminals would sell it, compete violently over it, and people would be forced to go to them to get it. And they will go and get it.

[QUOTE=Uberkitty;17109023]No, because people like methamphetamine and it's their right to create and consume it.[/QUOTE] Yes but...If laws were removed to make drugs (like meth) legal some guy would be walking down the street all tweaked out and randomly beat some guy half to death. And if someone were to be making meth and it went wrong it could explode and kill people and cause property damage.