[QUOTE=Oecleus;17114541]1/5 times if your house is burgalized the persons involved did it for money for which they can buy drugs. This effects everyone. Not wearing your seatbelt can effect others and your own life.
If only you got t-boned by a person not paying attention, and if you wearing your seatbelt you would be you were wearing it. You would be glad that their is a rule that requires you to wear one. How about if you t-bone someone and they didn't wear a seatbelt? Are you going to shrug it off and say it was their fault for not wearing a seatbelt? Or are you going to say you wish there was a rule that was enforced?
Allowing sucide to take place is unethical, everyone can be helped, and many people look back at their failed sucide attempts in disgust. (Not because they failed lol)
Not quite sure what a sensationalist is, but I hope you got my point. Regulating and banning certain things is not thought crime and it isn't facism.
Maybe to the hundreds of thousands of people affected by drug related violence.
There has been no link between video games violence and real world violence. Extremely rare cases where the kid says "video games made me do it" do not count, as just about everything has an extremely rare case where if it was widespread it would make whatever that activity is to be very bad.[/QUOTE]
I can make up statistics too! 1/5 times legal things should be illegal!
I can see where your coming from, you think that banning drugs all together would make it so there's 1/5 less crime. Not true. There would be more, the more you ban drugs, the more crime perpetrated in their names. If you unbanned drugs, crime around drugs would almost dissapear.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17114541]1/5 times if your house is burgalized the persons involved did it for money for which they can buy drugs. This effects everyone. Not wearing your seatbelt can effect others and your own life.
If only you got t-boned by a person not paying attention, and if you wearing your seatbelt you would be you were wearing it. You would be glad that their is a rule that requires you to wear one. How about if you t-bone someone and they didn't wear a seatbelt? Are you going to shrug it off and say it was their fault for not wearing a seatbelt? Or are you going to say you wish there was a rule that was enforced?
Allowing sucide to take place is unethical, everyone can be helped, and many people look back at their failed sucide attempts in disgust. (Not because they failed lol)
Not quite sure what a sensationalist is, but I hope you got my point. Regulating and banning certain things is not thought crime and it isn't facism.
Maybe to the hundreds of thousands of people affected by drug related violence.
There has been no link between video games violence and real world violence. Extremely rare cases where the kid says "video games made me do it" do not count, as just about everything has an extremely rare case where if it was widespread it would make whatever that activity is to be very bad.[/QUOTE]
Everything we do effects other people, that doesn't mean we are obliged to completely alter our lives to better suit the majority.
Life is about more than survival.
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;17114559]No.[/QUOTE]
Was being sarcastic as hell. I know they had nothing to do with it.
Dammit, stop pretending to be lanklist.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;17114589]Was being sarcastic as hell. I know they had nothing to do with it.
Dammit, stop pretending to be lanklist.[/QUOTE]
:smug:
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17114541]Not quite sure what a sensationalist is[/quote]
Honestly you aren't even trying.
[quote]Maybe to the hundreds of thousands of people affected by drug related violence.[/quote]
Drug related violence is dominated by drug wars, not crime induced by drugs. The vast majority is committed by gangs, cartels, dealers and growers, and a much smaller minority is committed by the users themselves. The issue of robbery for drugs can easily be alleviated by discretionary probation on an individual basis upon legalization.
[quote]There has been no link between video games violence and real world violence.[/quote]
Yes there has.
From the APA
[url]http://www.apa.org/science/psa/sb-anderson.html[/url]
[quote]Myths and Facts
Myth 1. Violent video game research has yielded very mixed results.
Facts: Some studies have yielded nonsignificant video game effects, just as some smoking studies failed to find a significant link to lung cancer. But when one combines all relevant empirical studies using meta-analytic techniques, five separate effects emerge with considerable consistency. Violent video games are significantly associated with: increased aggressive behavior, thoughts, and affect; increased physiological arousal; and decreased prosocial (helping) behavior. Average effect sizes for experimental studies (which help establish causality) and correlational studies (which allow examination of serious violent behavior) appear comparable (Anderson & Bushman, 2001).[/quote]
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That is enough grounds by your logic to justify a ban.
People have DIED. Thousands of violent deaths can be linked to that effect.
I always killed hookers in gta to get my money back. It was perfect because you would always have to bring your car to a hidden place away from cops.
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I would finish up, run out and pull out my bat and whack her in the head
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best financial tip I have ever given
JDK721v2 and Lankist are turning into one person in my head
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17114541]I'm smarter than you, I can decide what your life should be about.[/QUOTE]
Stop asking the government to baby you. Grow up and learn to take care of yourself.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17114626]JDK721v2 and Lankist are turning into one person in my head[/QUOTE]
He's the republican who thinks minorities are criminals.
I am the mexican.
Remember that, it'll save your life one day.
:ese:
oh and my point is that I have never paid a hooker for sex OR killed one afterwards
[QUOTE=Cowie1337;17114639]oh and my point is that I have never paid a hooker for sex OR killed one afterwards[/QUOTE]
Anecdotal evidence is inadmissible in a scientific or legal discussion.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17114636]He's the republican who thinks minorities are criminals.[/QUOTE]
I'm not a Republican. I'm an independent.
Example: Having more than one wife. This harms no one. It should be legal.
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;17114666]I'm not a Republican. I'm an independent.[/QUOTE]
Whatever you are you have a secret boner for meskins
[QUOTE=Lankist;17114636]He's the republican who thinks minorities are criminals.
I am the mexican.
Remember that, it'll save your life one day.
:ese:[/QUOTE]
I know, that's why it's giving me a headache.
I'm gonna use some common sense here and say that 99.99% of people that have played games have not had increased aggressive behavior.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17114676]Whatever you are you have a secret boner for meskins[/QUOTE]
:ese:
[QUOTE=Cowie1337;17114687]I'm gonna use some common sense here and say that 99.99% of people that have played games have not had increased aggressive behavior.[/QUOTE]
Are you dumb or are you simply too lazy to understand the point I'm arguing?
I'm not arguing with my logic, I'm arguing with his. There is legitimate scientific evidence that trumps the claims of children like you, evidence that would make a killing in a courtroom if we didn't operate on the principals I've been explaining to you kids.
If he thinks drugs should be illegal, he thinks video games should be illegal.
[QUOTE=Cowie1337;17114687]I'm gonna use some common sense here and say that 99.99% of people that have played games have not had increased aggressive behavior.[/QUOTE]
Does it matter? Regardless of if it does or not, it completely falls into the realm of personal liberties, so fuck it.
I don't believe in statistics on an individual level anyways, ie I have control over myself.
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also, listen to lankist, when he's not trolling, he has something important to say.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17114709]Are you dumb or are you simply too lazy to understand the point I'm arguing?
I'm not arguing with my logic, I'm arguing with his. There is legitimate scientific evidence that trumps the claims of children like you, evidence that would make a killing in a courtroom if we didn't operate on the principals I've been explaining to you kids.
If he thinks drugs should be illegal, he thinks video games should be illegal.[/QUOTE]
Everything kills everyone.. Everything should be banned.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17114604]Drug related violence is dominated by drug wars, not crime induced by drugs. The vast majority is committed by gangs, cartels, dealers and growers, and a much smaller minority is committed by the users themselves. The issue of robbery for drugs can easily be alleviated by discretionary probation on an individual basis upon legalization.[/QUOTE]
Which is why they should be outright banned and completely removed. If they were legalized the amount of crime by users will go up, while if it was complelety removed from the system there would be no drug wars.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17114604]Yes there has.
From the APA
That is enough grounds by your logic to justify a ban.
People have DIED. Thousands of violent deaths can be linked to that effect.[/QUOTE]
There hasn't been links because there are no links, point me to a single case where violent video games were the reason why they killed someone over it.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;17114585]Everything we do effects other people, that doesn't mean we are obliged to completely alter our lives to better suit the majority.
Life is about more than survival.[/QUOTE]
Everything we do doesn't cause robberies, assaults and murders. If they did, they would be arrested.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;17114579]I can make up statistics too! 1/5 times legal things should be illegal!
I can see where your coming from, you think that banning drugs all together would make it so there's 1/5 less crime. Not true. There would be more, the more you ban drugs, the more crime perpetrated in their names. If you unbanned drugs, crime around drugs would almost dissapear.[/QUOTE]
No, they wouldn't, the same people going out their way to get drugs would still be their commiting crimes because they don't have the money to get a fix, and then there would also be the people that have never been into it, and now have an easy access to a thing that will harm themselves and people around them.
"http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/crime/index.html"
27% of robberies were done for money to obtain drugs.
This of course was in 1991, but if anything the crime would go up has urbanization and unemployment goes up.
You guys need to realize that I don't want to look through 10 pages of your arguments so I had no idea Lankist was being sarcastic.
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but I still would like to iterate my point about the frugality of killing hookers
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17114734]Which is why they should be outright banned and completely removed. If they were legalized the amount of crime by users will go up, while if it was complelety removed from the system there would be no drug wars.[/quote]
Prove it.
[quote]There hasn't been links because there are no links, point me to a single case where violent video games were the reason why they killed someone over it. [/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre[/url]
There is more than a lot of evidence in the psychological community that solidifies the notion that video games facilitate violence.
I'll ask you what I asked the other idiot:
Video games HAVE been the cause of violent crime. That is undeniable by anyone but a fucking idiot. It is scientifically proven that is has an effect.
Therefore: Where do you draw the line? How many deaths does it take before something is too dangerous to be legal?
[QUOTE=Oecleus;17114734]Which is why they should be outright banned and completely removed. If they were legalized the amount of crime by users will go up, while if it was complelety removed from the system there would be no drug wars.
There hasn't been links because there are no links, point me to a single case where violent video games were the reason why they killed someone over it.
Everything we do doesn't cause robberies, assaults and murders. If they did, they would be arrested.
No, they wouldn't, the same people going out their way to get drugs would still be their commiting crimes because they don't have the money to get a fix, and then there would also be the people that have never been into it, and now have an easy access to a thing that will harm themselves and people around them.
"http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/crime/index.html"
27% of robberies were done for money to obtain drugs.
This of course was in 1991, but if anything the crime would go up has urbanization and unemployment goes up.[/QUOTE]
I think I want to kill myself. How can anyone be this dense? You ignore lanklists point and just say "No." every time. You accuse us of having no arguments? Yeah, it's not us, it's you. One of the last things I'm going to try is a government report about DRUGS. But fine, 27% of crime is committed for drugs. If we got rid of em, guess what, that 27% of crime would still exist because something else came up to take it's place.
Lol, also, I love how you rate yourself agree. That's a terrible way to argue.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17114766][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre[/url]
There is more than a lot of evidence in the psychological community that solidifies the notion that video games facilitate violence.
I'll ask you what I asked the other idiot:
Video games HAVE been the cause of violent crime. That is undeniable by anyone but a fucking idiot. It is scientifically proven that is has an effect.
Therefore: Where do you draw the line? How many deaths does it take before something is too dangerous to be legal?[/QUOTE]
What are you doing Lankist? The Columbine shooting had absolutely nothing to do with video games.
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;17114781]What are you doing Lankist? The Columbine shooting had absolutely nothing to do with video games.[/QUOTE]
Where is your doctorate?
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The real psychologists seem to differ in opinion. I trust them more.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17114766]Prove it.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre[/url]
There is more than a lot of evidence in the psychological community that solidifies the notion that video games facilitate violence.
I'll ask you what I asked the other idiot:
Video games HAVE been the cause of violent crime. That is undeniable by anyone but a fucking idiot. It is scientifically proven that is has an effect.
Therefore: Where do you draw the line? How many deaths does it take before something is too dangerous to be legal?[/QUOTE]
How does this keep going back to video games?? That's what i can't stand about some people... as soon as the argument starts to go slightly away from where they want it to be, they drag it into an obsurd, off topic thing that has almost nothing in common with the topic being discussed. Why?
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;17114781]What are you doing Lankist? The Columbine shooting had absolutely nothing to do with video games.[/QUOTE]
It had to do with emotionally unstable kids who just happened to be like all other kids at the time and play doom. guilty by association for the win go die terrorists!
[QUOTE=Lankist;17114793]Where is your doctorate?
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The real psychologists seem to differ in opinion. I trust them more.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to refer you to this report, none of these experts said video games had anything to do with their actions:
[url]http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/[/url]
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