[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;17123068]Our entire society is based on morality. It works more often than not.[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE=SickJits;17123050]no, basically you're being a completely assuming ass hole like you usually are and trying to blame it on my former recreational (lol) drug use
get over YOURself[/QUOTE]
Whatever "It" is, it's your fault.
Take responsibility for yourself. Even assuming the drugs somehow forced you to do it, YOU took the drugs.
Uberkitty has the right idea. If it only harms yourself, or doesn't hurt anyone at all (yay), it should be legal.
Laws are there for society to be efficient, a druggie isn't effecient an efficient citizen, neither is some moron pouring all his money into some guys pocket via taxfree gambing. Deal with it.
[QUOTE=kaskade700;17123129]Laws are there for society to be efficient, a druggie isn't effecient an efficient citizen, neither is some moron pouring all his money into some guys pocket via taxfree gambing. Deal with it.[/QUOTE]
It's none of the government's business whether what you do makes you an efficient cog in the societal machine. If you can support yourself, be responsible and not fuck with anyone else, you're doing fine.
[QUOTE=kaskade700;17123129]Laws are there for society to be efficient, a druggie isn't effecient an efficient citizen, neither is some moron pouring all his money into some guys pocket via taxfree gambing. Deal with it.[/QUOTE]
Since when the fuck are we living in a society where efficiency is paramount.
Hate to break it to you but you aren't exactly being very efficient right now. The same concept that ensures drug addicts the ability to use drugs ensures you the ability to talk about shit you don't know fuck all about on the internet instead of being a good little worker bee like you seem to think is what we base all of our laws on.
i.e. you are wrong and you should feel wrong.
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You certainly aren't the Queen Bee. Get back to work.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17109002]Riddle me this:
If you could remove [I]all[/I] methamphetamine from the world, and somehow make the process for creation of methamphetamine impossible to complete, and cure any and all methamphetamine addicts of their addiction, thus absolutely removing methamphetamine from the world in its entirety... Would you?
If you said yes, then what the [I]fuck[/I] sense does it make to legalize and just include a warning? What do we gain?
If you said no, then... Please explain to me why we should keep it. What does methamphetamine do for us that's beneficial?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
I say yes because it's impossible to outlaw effectively. If you legalise it, you're depriving criminals of a source of money which could go on to fund organised crime. Additionally, it takes the strain off the prisons which are already full to bursting point.
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[QUOTE=kaskade700;17123129]Laws are there for society to be efficient, a druggie isn't effecient an efficient citizen, neither is some moron pouring all his money into some guys pocket via taxfree gambing. Deal with it.[/QUOTE]
We [i]are[/i] society.
We don't like the idea of being made to be efficient. Efficiency has nothing to do with our world.
Do you know what's inefficient? Letting kids live at home with their parents. If you could set up a scheme and gradually introduce it that kids lived in state run dormitories, where their education and occupations could be controlled by Government, you'd have a super efficient workforce á la [i]Brave New World[/i].
Do you see [i]anyone[/i] suggesting that as a good idea?
[QUOTE=Splurgy;17123167]Yes.
I say yes because it's impossible to outlaw effectively. If you legalise it, you're depriving criminals of a source of money which could go on to fund organised crime. Additionally, it takes the strain off the prisons which are already full to bursting point.[/QUOTE]
If I could get rid of anything in the world I would get rid of the ability to get rid of anything in the world.
Unhealthy behaviors are what makes the world so fun. Who the fuck wants to die without any scars?
[editline]02:36PM[/editline]
I've got an entire life to use and I'll be goddamned if I suddenly realize at 80 years old on my deathbed that I had so much potential left unexplored.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17123141]It's none of the government's business whether what you do makes you an efficient cog in the societal machine. If you can support yourself, be responsible and not fuck with anyone else, you're doing fine.[/QUOTE]
Ofcourse it's in the goverments fucking interest. How does taking illegal drugs help the society? Not in any way. And who gives a shit if they fuck someone else over as long as you can keep up with your need for drugz, not one, you're actually causing damage to the 'societal machine'(Seriously, I don't speak enough english. I've never heard that phrase before)
Anyways, I didn't read the part of the Op that said vitimless crimes, so ignore my post, it's irrelevant.
(I originally only skimmed the part that said '[I]This is why blue laws, laws restricting gambling, and drug laws are complete bullshit[/I]'
[QUOTE=kaskade700;17123235]Ofcourse it's in the goverments fucking interest. How does taking illegal drugs help the society? Not in any way. And who gives a shit if they fuck someone else over as long as you can keep up with your need for drugz, not one, you're actually causing damage to the 'societal machine'(Seriously, I don't speak enough english. I've never heard that phrase before)
Anyways, I didn't read the part of the Op that said vitimless crimes, so ignore my post, it's irrelevant.
(I originally only skimmed the part that said '[I]This is why blue laws, laws restricting gambling, and drug laws are complete bullshit[/I]'[/QUOTE]
I say again, get off the internet and get the fuck back to work.
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Society can fuck itself. If the world's gotta burn for the sake of individuals making their own choices, so be it. The world will burn, it is inevitable. There is no way to stop individuals from living their lives short of killing them, and that sounds like a burning world to me. If drugs will harm society that much, you'd better learn to cope. Because you aren't going to stop them.
[QUOTE=kaskade700;17123235]Ofcourse it's in the goverments fucking interest.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say it's not in their interest, I said it's none of their god damned business.
Keeping the government's nose out of things it oughtn't to be in is part of the purpose of rights.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17123248]I say again, get off the internet and get the fuck back to work.
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Society can fuck itself. If the world's gotta burn for the sake of individuals making their own choices, so be it.[/QUOTE]
I'm on maternity leave damnit.
Also, I should probably clarify: I didn't agree with my original post.
[QUOTE=kaskade700;17123272]Also, I'm on maternity leave damnit.[/QUOTE]
How does maternity leave help society at all?
[QUOTE=Lankist;17123282]How does maternity leave help society at all?[/QUOTE]
It helps build young healthy contributing citizens to support our future selfs.
But then again, how does being old help society at all?
Lets kill the old ppl.
[QUOTE=kaskade700;17123298]It helps build young healthy contributing citizens to support our future selfs.
But then again, how does being old help society at all?
Lets kill the old ppl.[/QUOTE]
You're the one who was arguing that we should be doing everything possible to grease the wheels of society for maximum efficiency. Let's.
[QUOTE=kaskade700;17123298]It helps build young healthy contributing citizens to support our future selfs.
But then again, how does being old help society at all?
Lets kill the old ppl.[/QUOTE]
And how does keeping citizens happy and content with their government by ending the persecution of individuals who commit victimless crimes bad for society?
How is freeing the non-violent, youthful prisoners who are currently clogging our judicial system NOT going to help on a morale and economic level?
It isn't exactly like people AREN'T doing drugs right now.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17123314]You're the one who was arguing that we should be doing everything possible to grease the wheels of society for maximum efficiency. Let's.[/QUOTE]
It was more of a 'just for kicks' comments.
But sure, lets get it legistrated that you should kill yourself as soon as possible when you start to take more than you give in one of the soon to be thousands of newly installed suicide booths in your neighborhood.
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[QUOTE=Lankist;17123350]And how does keeping citizens happy and content with their government by ending the persecution of individuals who commit victimless crimes bad for society?
How is freeing the non-violent, youthful prisoners who are currently clogging our judicial system NOT going to help on a morale and economic level?
It isn't exactly like people AREN'T doing drugs right now.[/QUOTE]
Good question.
[QUOTE=BurnBlackJay;17108868]Morality is what I say is right and IMMORALITY is what I say is wrong, you gotta understand this[/QUOTE]
People rating this dumb need to play GTA:VC with VCPR more.
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[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17109088][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg/125px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png[/img]:hf:[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/125px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png[/img][/QUOTE]
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Australia and britain are the same thing
[QUOTE=Initial D;17108429]In a law not based on traditional religeous morals what would be the age of consent?[/QUOTE]
I would say puberty.
For man, when perfected, is the best of animals, but, when separated from law and justice, he is the worst of all; since armed injustice is the more dangerous, and he is equipped at birth with arms, meant to be used by intelligence and virtue, which he may use for the worst ends. Wherefore, if he have not virtue, he is the most unholy and most savage of animals, and the most full of lust and gluttony. But justice is the bond of men in states, for the administration of justice, which is the determination of what is just, is the principle of order in political society.
Laws are put into place to keep people under control. They're not based on morality, persay. Without laws, we wouldn't progress as humanity.
[QUOTE=Wakka V2;17124064]For man, when perfected, is the best of animals, but, when separated from law and justice, he is the worst of all; since armed injustice is the more dangerous, and he is equipped at birth with arms, meant to be used by intelligence and virtue, which he may use for the worst ends. Wherefore, if he have not virtue, he is the most unholy and most savage of animals, and the most full of lust and gluttony. But justice is the bond of men in states, for the administration of justice, which is the determination of what is just, is the principle of order in political society.
Laws are put into place to keep people under control. They're not based on morality, persay. Without laws, we wouldn't progress as humanity.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Aristotle.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17124102]Thanks, Aristotle.[/QUOTE]
I know. I had that spot highlighted.
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Did you know that was Aristotle, or did you have to google it?
[QUOTE=Wakka V2;17124064]For man, when perfected, is the best of animals, but, when separated from law and justice, he is the worst of all; since armed injustice is the more dangerous, and he is equipped at birth with arms, meant to be used by intelligence and virtue, which he may use for the worst ends. Wherefore, if he have not virtue, he is the most unholy and most savage of animals, and the most full of lust and gluttony. But justice is the bond of men in states, for the administration of justice, which is the determination of what is just, is the principle of order in political society.
Laws are put into place to keep people under control. They're not based on morality, persay. Without laws, we wouldn't progress as humanity.[/QUOTE]
The concept of law has changed in the last five thousand years.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17124330]The concept of law has changed in the last five thousand years.[/QUOTE]
Lankist, you couldn't be more wrong. Laws have been, are, and always will be put into place to keep people under control. :cop:
[QUOTE=Wakka V2;17124390]Lankist, you couldn't be more wrong. Laws have been, are, and always will be put into place to keep people under control. :cop:[/QUOTE]
No, laws in first world countries are designed to facilitate the individual's ability to live under minimal government control.
We aren't living in Babylon, our laws aren't designed to aid in national progression.
[QUOTE=Wakka V2;17124390]Lankist, you couldn't be more wrong. Laws have been, are, and always will be put into place to keep people under control. :cop:[/QUOTE]
There are laws that do the opposite: specifically to keep the government from being able to control certain aspects of what we do.
Also, no. I didn't know that was Aristotle off the top of my head.
[QUOTE=Lankist;17123113]Whatever "It" is, it's your fault.
Take responsibility for yourself. Even assuming the drugs somehow forced you to do it, YOU took the drugs.[/QUOTE]
This is again you assuming, not knowing. I never claimed it wasn't my fault, you're just fuckin' stupid.
[QUOTE=SickJits;17124740]This is again you assuming, not knowing. I never claimed it wasn't my fault, you're just fuckin' stupid.[/QUOTE]
Then why don't you ban yourself instead of drugs?
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