[QUOTE=IceTea;17109404]Yes but...If laws were removed to make drugs (like meth) legal some guy would be walking down the street all tweaked out and randomly beat some guy half to death. And if someone were to be making meth and it went wrong it could explode and kill people and cause property damage.[/QUOTE]
That shit happens anyway.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;17109394]Which is completely retarded and pointless when it comes to something like weed.
Because they are illegal. You don't see gang members fighting over something like alcohol. If alcohol was illegal, criminals would sell it, compete violently over it, and people would be forced to go to them to get it. And they will go and get it.[/QUOTE]
You only saw them fighting over alcohol when it was illegal.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17109361]But you [I]choose[/I] to put yourself at risk by not wearing your seat belts. You most likely know the consequences. And it's a [I]lot[/I] easier to stop [I]not[/I] wearing your seat belt than it is to quit meth.
Also, if I were flying out of my car in an accident, I wouldn't be worried about smashing into a child. I'd be worried about [I]"OH JESUS FUCK I'M GONNA DIE"[/I][/QUOTE]
Yeah but what if some...I dunno 15 year old kid was driving around with one of his friend and he because seat belts weren't against the law he didn't wear one and he died because of not wearing one. Even if it was the drivers fault the kid was only 15. He wouldn't of even had a job by then.
I'm not even gonna talk about alcohol because I am horribly biased in that debate against it.
[QUOTE=IceTea;17109460]Yeah but what if some...I dunno 15 year old kid was driving around with one of his friend and he because seat belts weren't against the law he didn't wear one and he died because of not wearing one. Even if it was the drivers fault the kid was only 15. He wouldn't of even had a job by then.[/QUOTE]
Maybe the kid should have had the sense to wear a seat belt.
Drugs only lead to crime, poverty and all kinds of shit anyway once people get addicted. Show me one user of heroin or meth who is living a normal, responsible life.
People are too dumb to care or recognize what to avoid unless there are clear statements on the subject.
[QUOTE=Uberkitty;17109023]No, because people like methamphetamine and it's their right to create and consume it.[/QUOTE]
This is where you lost me.
The same set of logic could be used to say, "I like killing people. It's my right to kill without punishment."
Absolute freedom is anarchy, and anarchy doesn't work.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;17109419]That shit happens anyway.[/QUOTE]
Yes...but don't you think it would happen ALOT more if it was legal? Most people avoid making meth and just buy it because of the trouble you can get it for producing drugs. Thats alot of time in jail. But if it was legal all those meth heads might start making it to save themselves money (alot of money actually) and get a whole fuckton more for about $20. Then you would have ALOT more deaths and people losing their homes because some tweaker next doors house exploded. Imagine what would happen if someone were making meth in an apartment and it exploded.
[QUOTE=Cheezy;17109525]Drugs only lead to crime, poverty and all kinds of shit anyway once people get addicted. Show me one user of heroin or meth who is living a normal, responsible life.
People are too dumb to care or recognize what to avoid unless there are clear statements on the subject.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because nobody is doing those drugs due to their illegal status.
People are going to do drugs if they want to do drugs, regardless of whether or not they're legal. If cocaine and heroin became legal tomorrow, I wouldn't do them because I've made the choice not to. If I wanted to, I'd get them despite being illegal and do them.
[QUOTE=Cors;17109575]This is where you lost me.
The same set of logic could be used to say, "I like killing people. It's my right to kill without punishment."
Absolute freedom is anarchy, and anarchy doesn't work.[/QUOTE]
Except it only harms yourself directly to consume drugs.
[QUOTE=Uberkitty;17109481]Maybe the kid should have had the sense to wear a seat belt.[/QUOTE]
all right fuck it here we go
[B]KID DOESN'T WEAR SEAT BELTS:[/B][list]
[*]kid dies
[*]kid is an idiot for not wearing seat belts
[*]family members, friends, etc. are hurt
[*][B]he has one more FREEDOM![/B][/list]
[B]KID WEARS SEAT BELT:[/B][list]
[*]kid is much less likely to die
[*]kid isn't an idiot
[*]family members, friends, etc. are much less likely to be hurt
[*]kid has one less freedom[/list]
The right to not wear a seat belt is useless, and proponents of this right only want it on the basis of giving people [I]one more freedom.[/I] Is it really worth it?
[QUOTE=Camundongo;17108953]Also, why shouldn't laws protect people from themselves?[/QUOTE]
Because people should have the right to do whatever the fuck they want so long as it doesn't infringe on other people's rights?
We've been over this.
The problem with that is that a lot of times, when that argument is used, it's to defend things that [I]do[/I] hurt other people. And a lot of times, it's used to defend useless freedoms that just hurt people. Like seat belt freedom!
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17109715]The problem with that is that a lot of times, when that argument is used, it's to defend things that [I]do[/I] hurt other people. And a lot of times, it's used to defend useless freedoms that just hurt people. Like seat belt freedom![/QUOTE]
When have seat belts killed other people besides the person who refused to wear it?
[QUOTE=Billiam;17109691]Because people should have the right to do whatever the fuck they want so long as it doesn't infringe on other people's rights?
We've been over this.[/QUOTE]
If you died in car crash, your friends and family would be distraught at your death. You've just infringed their right to a happy life.
[QUOTE=Billiam;17109730]When have seat belts killed other people besides the person who refused to wear it?[/QUOTE]
I didn't say they did. I said that in a lot of cases that happened. Not all.
When I said "seat belt freedom" I meant "the freedom to not wear seat belts".
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17109642]all right fuck it here we go
[B]KID DOESN'T WEAR SEAT BELTS:[/B][list]
[*]kid dies
[*]kid is an idiot for not wearing seat belts
[*]family members, friends, etc. are hurt
[*][B]he has one more FREEDOM![/B][/list]
[B]KID WEARS SEAT BELT:[/B][list]
[*]kid is much less likely to die
[*]kid isn't an idiot
[*]family members, friends, etc. are much less likely to be hurt
[*]kid has one less freedom[/list]
The right to not wear a seat belt is useless, and proponents of this right only want it on the basis of giving people [I]one more freedom.[/I] Is it really worth it?[/QUOTE]
I don't think it should have anything to do with the person refusing to wear the belt's well being, it's OTHER PEOPLE the law should and may be intended for. If you can guarantee that you're the only person directly harmed after becoming a flying meatbag of death, then why shouldn't you be allowed to go without a seatbelt? That's your choice. Unfortunately, that guarantee doesn't exist, so it is illegal.
I'm sure the law has nothing to do with your subjective viewpoints during the course of a highspeed collision (to comment on your earlier post about your thoughts during such).
Drugs are left up to free will and self control. Not every person who does certain drugs are going to behave in certain ways, alcohol and violence for example. I'm not a violent drunk, I don't harm anyone when I'm drunk, even if I'm angry. Seatbelt related incidents however are left entirely up to physics once you've collided with an object.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;17109741]If you died in car crash, your friends and family would be distraught at your death. You've just infringed their right to a happy life.[/QUOTE]
This is one of the dumbest arguments ever. People are emotionally distraught by EVERYTHING, ban everything in the world that makes some person unhappy.
[QUOTE=Billiam;17109691]Because people should have the right to do whatever the fuck they want so long as it doesn't infringe on other people's rights?
We've been over this.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
Drugs shouldn't be illegal, but certain things should be during said drug use, like causing disturbances, violence, damage, etc., which is basically how it is with alcohol. As long as you keep to yourself, you're cool.
[QUOTE=Uberkitty;17109623]Except it only harms yourself directly to consume drugs.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I could go on and say the thousands of obvious reasons why that is tremendously wrong, but I won't because they're extremely obvious.
[QUOTE=Billiam;17109789]This is one of the dumbest arguments ever. People are emotionally distraught by EVERYTHING, ban everything in the world that makes some person unhappy.[/QUOTE]
You have to make him look like an idiot don't you.
Drugs would cause a loss of a state of mind which could end up in harm being dealt. The upper class drugs, not weed or something mild.
[QUOTE=Cors;17109836]Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I could go on and say the thousands of obvious reasons why that is tremendously wrong, but I won't because they're extremely obvious.[/QUOTE]
No, that statement was correct. When you shoot heroin, it's directly affecting you only.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;17109771]I don't think it should have anything to do with the person refusing to wear the belt's well being, it's OTHER PEOPLE the law should and may be intended for. If you can guarantee that you're the only person directly harmed after becoming a flying meatbag of death, then why shouldn't you be allowed to go without a seatbelt? That's your choice. Unfortunately, that guarantee doesn't exist, so it is illegal.
I'm sure the law has nothing to do with your subjective viewpoints during the course of a highspeed collision (to comment on your earlier post about your thoughts during such).
Drugs are left up to free will and self control. Not every person who does certain drugs are going to behave in certain ways, alcohol and violence for example. I'm not a violent drunk, I don't harm anyone when I'm drunk, even if I'm angry. Seatbelt related incidents however are left entirely up to physics once you've collided with an object.[/QUOTE]
You can't guarantee that somebody who takes drug won't be violent either, therefore why should they be legal?
[QUOTE=Cors;17109836]Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I could go on and say the thousands of obvious reasons why that is tremendously wrong, but I won't because they're extremely obvious.[/QUOTE]
You're a good kid. I should make your avatar transparent.
[QUOTE=Billiam;17109730]When have seat belts killed other people besides the person who refused to wear it?[/QUOTE]
Flying bodies which attack pedestrians, kill over a dozen people each year.
[QUOTE=Cors;17109836]Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I could go on and say the thousands of obvious reasons why that is tremendously wrong, but I won't because they're extremely obvious.[/QUOTE]
KeyWord: Directly
[QUOTE=Camundongo;17109857]You can't guarantee that somebody who takes drug won't be violent either, therefore why should they be legal?[/QUOTE]
Because of self control vs. physics, something nobody has control over in a collision.
Why shouldn't I be allowed to take a drug because some other douchebag can't handle it? Again, see alcohol. There are those who can get pissed drunk, go home in a cab and pass out without incident, and other cunts who have to start a fight and hit on other dudes' women, cause a scene in public and then drive home, etc.
I say lets rid ourselves of all 'legal' laws.
[QUOTE=gufu;17109866]Flying bodies which attack pedestrians, kill over a dozen people each year.[/QUOTE]
There's a legit reason then.
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