Laws shouldn't be based on morality - General

[QUOTE=Neolk;17133824]I gotta know what you think morals mean before i can answer your arguments.[/QUOTE] Hmm? You can answer my arguments? and you think I'm dashingly handsome? Why thank you.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17133836]Morals are ones concepts of right and wrong you stupid bastard.[/QUOTE] For a christian it may be right by their morals then to believe in a god, and wrong by their morals to believe in a multiple universe theory because in believing in god they only accept one universe. Even at a right or wrong level morals still plays a hand in everything we do. Since it does so much I expand the term to broaden the scope of what it is to be human, however low that is. [editline]01:24AM[/editline] [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17133841]Oh god, why do I bother. Oh right, because it's fun for me [editline]a[/editline] It's obviously fucking not unfuckingsolvable because I just fucking solved it[/QUOTE] I agree you did solve it. I bet someone of better minds could point something out though,dunno though, its possible. For me though, you did solve it. Though I'm still convinced at the core there's no way .99 recur is equal to 1.

[QUOTE=Neolk;17133824]3/3=1, however weird it is. [/QUOTE] That's not weird. You have 3 objects, and you split them into three groups. Each group has one object. This is 2nd grade math. If have 6 objects and split them into 2 groups, each group has 3 objects.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;17133869]That's not weird. You have 3 objects, and you split them into three groups. Each group has one object. This is 2nd grade math. If have 6 objects and split them into 2 groups, each group has 3 objects.[/QUOTE] That .33333 repeating x 3 is equal to 1 I mean. Since that'd be .999 recur=1. Weird to think about.

[QUOTE=Neolk;17133859]For a christian it may be right by their morals then to believe in a god, and wrong by their morals to believe in a multiple universe theory because in believing in god they only accept one universe. Even at a right or wrong level morals still plays a hand in everything we do. Since it does so much I expand the term to broaden the scope of what it is to be human, however low that is.[/QUOTE] That's not a question of morality, that's a question of fucking contradictory views and unwanted philosophies. Please think before defecating into my eyes with this inane bullshit you don't even understand. No it doesn't. Nobody on earth who isn't crazy has moral qualms against the existence of the moon, or the concept of gravity. Morals only affect personal actions not universal questions of existence.

[QUOTE=Neolk;17133859]For a christian it may be right by their morals then to believe in a god, and wrong by their morals to believe in a multiple universe theory because in believing in god they only accept one universe. Even at a right or wrong level morals still plays a hand in everything we do. Since it does so much I expand the term to broaden the scope of what it is to be human, however low that is. [editline]01:24AM[/editline] I agree you did solve it. I bet someone of better minds could point something out though,dunno though, its possible. For me though, you did solve it. Though I'm still convinced at the core there's no way .99 recur is equal to 1.[/QUOTE] You don't have to understand something for it to be true, that much is obvious out of this argument. You understand painfully little.

[QUOTE=Neolk;17133859]I agree you did solve it. I bet someone of better minds could point something out though,dunno though, its possible. For me though, you did solve it. Though I'm still convinced at the core there's no way .99 recur is equal to 1.[/QUOTE] Your agreement is meaningless because I just solved it using the laws of mathematics, which have been proven self-consistent. It is solved, whether or not you think so. I don't even understand how you could possibly still think it's not equal to 1 when you just said I solved it.

[QUOTE=KingPurge;17133889]You don't have to understand something for it to be true, that much is obvious out of this argument. You understand painfully little.[/QUOTE] Nonsense! I don't understand hydrodynamics, therefor all water is stationary all the time! Simple.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17133887]That's not a question of morality, that's a question of fucking contradictory views and unwanted philosophies. Please think before defecating into my eyes with this inane bullshit you don't even understand. No it doesn't. Nobody on earth who isn't crazy has moral qualms against the existence of the moon, or the concept of gravity. Morals only affect personal actions not universal questions of existence.[/QUOTE] You told me morals were right and wrong. Right to believe in something, or wrong to believe in something. Something is good because it is morally right, bad because it is morally wrong. If something is bad people disagree with it. I mean, duh. They don't sit there going, "Do I feel good about the moon?", but their morals factored in and gave them a feeling. They like the unknown, they feel is is good to travel outside the box, their morals tell them this.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17133904]Your agreement is meaningless because I just solved it using the laws of mathematics, which have been proven self-consistent. It is solved, whether or not you think so. I don't even understand how you could possibly still think it's not equal to 1 when you just said I solved it.[/QUOTE] because objectivity doesn't exist so objectivity exists

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17133904]Your agreement is meaningless because I just solved it using the laws of mathematics, which have been proven self-consistent. It is solved, whether or not you think so. I don't even understand how you could possibly still think it's not equal to 1 when you just said I solved it.[/QUOTE] It is like, a magician you know? I saw you pull a bird out of thin air. I can't explain how, I saw it with my eyes, but at the same time I still think, "There is no way that bird came out of thin air." Not to say you are trying to pull a wool over my eyes, thats just the way I see it.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17133907]Nonsense! I don't understand hydrodynamics, therefor all water is stationary all the time! Simple.[/QUOTE] I can fly because I don't believe in gravity. :rolleye:

[QUOTE=Neolk;17133922]It is like, a magician you know? I saw you pull a bird out of thin air. I can't explain how, I saw it with my eyes, but at the same time I still think, "There is no way that bird came out of thin air." Not to say you are trying to pull a wool over my eyes, thats just the way I see it.[/QUOTE] Except a magician is trying to fool you, whereas I'm trying to show you how the trick is done.

[QUOTE=Neolk;17133922]It is like, a magician you know? I saw you pull a bird out of thin air. I can't explain how, I saw it with my eyes, but at the same time I still think, "There is no way that bird came out of thin air." Not to say you are trying to pull a wool over my eyes, thats just the way I see it.[/QUOTE] You pulled the wool over your own damn eyes. Morals determine right and wrong. It isn't wrong to be believe the moon doesn't exist from a moral point of view, it's however, completely fucking retarded.

[QUOTE=Neolk;17133910]You told me morals were right and wrong. Right to believe in something, or wrong to believe in something. Something is good because it is morally right, bad because it is morally wrong. If something is bad people disagree with it. I mean, duh. They don't sit there going, "Do I feel good about the moon?", but their morals factored in and gave them a feeling. They like the unknown, they feel is is good to travel outside the box, their morals tell them this.[/QUOTE] OK, as for your second point THAT IS AN ACTION YOU IDIOT. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ACTION OF GOING TO THE MOON. NOT BELIEVING THE MOON EXISTS. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU ARE RETARDED. As for your first, as I said that's a matter of contradictory viewpoints! Not morality. Nobody can disagree with the ethics of gravity, or the ethics of genetics. Find me one example of someone who finds something immoral about belief or disbelief in something and I'll eat my own fingers.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17133954]Except a magician is trying to fool you, whereas I'm trying to show you how the trick is done.[/QUOTE] Whoops disregard this. What I meant to say is: "Guess that makes me a fucking MATHEMAGICIAN."

[QUOTE=KingPurge;17133966]You pulled the wool over your own damn eyes. Morals determine right and wrong. It isn't wrong to be believe the moon doesn't exist from a moral point of view, it's however, completely fucking retarded.[/QUOTE] Right and wrong, how you feel about things. They aren't limited to actions. To some people murder is morally wrong (you agree I imagine) but maybe to others flying is morally wrong (all I did was change a verb) being a child molester is morally wrong (I'm sure you agree) someone may say, "Being a politicain is morally wrong". No one can judge your morals but you. It is what you believe and what you hold dear.

Mcguffin, I think for our sakes, we should just eat his fingers to stop him from typing more drivel. I'm seriously considering smashing my head into the wall until I pass out to escape this level of stupidity.

[QUOTE=Neolk;17133922]It is like, a magician you know? I saw you pull a bird out of thin air. I can't explain how, I saw it with my eyes, but at the same time I still think, "There is no way that bird came out of thin air." Not to say you are trying to pull a wool over my eyes, thats just the way I see it.[/QUOTE] HOW CAN YOU COMPARE MATH WITH ILLUSION ONE IS OBJECTIVELY IMPOSSIBLE(get that, objective you fucking idiot. YOU ACTUALLY FUCKING BELIEVE IN OBJECTIVITY), THE OTHER IS FUCKING MATH how can you be so fucking dumb mommy hold me

[QUOTE=Neolk;17133992]Right and wrong, how you feel about things. They aren't limited to actions. To some people murder is morally wrong (you agree I imagine) but maybe to others flying is morally wrong (all I did was change a verb) being a child molester is morally wrong (I'm sure you agree) someone may say, "Being a politicain is morally wrong". No one can judge your morals but you. It is what you believe and what you hold dear.[/QUOTE] Yes, those are moral guidelines, however, those morals don't dictate whether or not I believe any of those things exist, which is what you're arguing.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17133978]OK, as for your second point THAT IS AN ACTION YOU IDIOT. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ACTION OF GOING TO THE MOON. NOT BELIEVING THE MOON EXISTS. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU ARE RETARDED. As for your first, as I said that's a matter of contradictory viewpoints! Not morality. Nobody can disagree with the ethics of gravity, or the ethics of genetics. Find me one example of someone who finds something immoral about belief or disbelief in something and I'll eat my own fingers.[/QUOTE] The Catholic Church took offense to Galileo's theory that the Earth revolves around the sun. Certainly not a modern example of rational behavior.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17133978] As for your first, as I said that's a matter of contradictory viewpoints! Not morality. Nobody can disagree with the ethics of gravity, or the ethics of genetics. Find me one example of someone who finds something immoral about belief or disbelief in something and I'll eat my own fingers.[/QUOTE] [url]http://atheismblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/believing-in-god-is-immoral.html[/url] I hope your fingers taste good. [editline]01:38AM[/editline] [quote=mr. Mcguffin;17134006]how can you compare math with illusion one is objectively impossible(get that, objective you fucking idiot. You actually fucking believe in objectivity), the other is fucking math how can you be so fucking dumb mommy hold me[/quote] HEY LOOK CAPSLOCK.

[QUOTE=Neolk;17133992]Right and wrong, how you feel about things. They aren't limited to actions. To some people murder is morally wrong (you agree I imagine) but maybe to others flying is morally wrong (all I did was change a verb) being a child molester is morally wrong (I'm sure you agree) someone may say, "Being a politicain is morally wrong". No one can judge your morals but you. It is what you believe and what you hold dear.[/QUOTE] Yeah. I can see that. Crazy old uncle who thinks doing things like that are wrong. ok. TOO BAD FLYING ISN'T AN EXISTING OBJECT YOU IDIOT.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17133978]As for your first, as I said that's a matter of contradictory viewpoints! Not morality. Nobody can disagree with the ethics of gravity, or the ethics of genetics. Find me one example of someone who finds something immoral about belief or disbelief in something and I'll eat my own fingers.[/QUOTE] Umm, hello. Do I need to spell it out? Let me: YHWH

[QUOTE=KingPurge;17134013]Yes, those are moral guidelines, however, those morals don't dictate whether or not I believe any of those things exist, which is what you're arguing.[/QUOTE]Moral guidelines. I'm saying your belief in something, in general, good or bad, also is a belief of existence. Your morals tell you something is bad, but your morals will also tell you that something doesn't exist, like god. [editline]01:40AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17134038]Yeah. I can see that. Crazy old uncle who thinks doing things like that are wrong. ok. TOO BAD FLYING ISN'T AN EXISTING OBJECT YOU IDIOT.[/QUOTE] I used murder as a verb and flying as a verb. Also eat your fingers.

[QUOTE=Neolk;17134024][url]http://atheismblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/believing-in-god-is-immoral.html[/url] I hope your fingers taste good. [editline]01:38AM[/editline] HEY LOOK CAPSLOCK.[/QUOTE] He never says believing in God is immoral outside of the title. He's trying to say that it's stupid and doing stupid things is somehow wrong because it hurts people. He doesn't think belief in God is immoral, he thinks hurting people is immoral. And you'd know that IF YOU COULD FUCKING READ. AND IT'S NOT CAPS LOCK. SHIFT KEY MOTHERFUCKER.

[QUOTE=Neolk;17134046]Moral guidelines. I'm saying your belief in something, in general, good or bad, also is a belief of existence. Your morals tell you something is bad, but your morals will also tell you that something doesn't exist, like god. [editline]01:40AM[/editline] I used murder as a verb and flying as a verb. Also eat your fingers.[/QUOTE] >.< My morals don't tell me a belief in something is wrong, my logic and reasoning tell me that, which then alters my morals to agree with that. Morality in general is bad, follow logic and reason, and la-de-fucking-da, you have good answers.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17134040]Umm, hello. Do I need to spell it out? Let me: YHWH[/QUOTE] The reason that's found immoral is because they think everyone believes in God already, and as an atheist I simply deny his existence out of hate. [editline]06:45AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Neolk;17134046]I used murder as a verb and flying as a verb. Also eat your fingers.[/QUOTE] And completely missed the point and acted once again like a smacktard. I already did. Two million years ago, in the court of Camelot.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17134082]He never says believing in God is immoral outside of the title. He's trying to say that it's stupid and doing stupid things is somehow wrong because it hurts people. [/QUOTE] [quote]. If the threat of divine punishment and the promise of heavenly reward are removed, humans, sensing that no one is minding the shop, will rape, pillage, plunder and otherwise misbehave with wild abandon[/quote] He attributes those things to believing in god, so he says believing in god is immoral also [url]http://www.thedigitalpinoy.org/thread/10/5191/1[/url] They are talking about atheism as being immoral, A belief. Eat your fucking fingers.

I think i'm going to bow out before I kill myself. Neolk, you haven't won shit, you're a moron, and you've essentially conceded your argument in the fact your very basis of beliefs is contradictory. You'll ignore that, but that's the truth. You believe whatever you think is true, you think there is nothing objective. If nothing is objective, then your view point doesn't exist. I'm leaving this argument because you haven't moved the argument, you repeat the same points, and when proven wrong, you just ignore and push it away. It's tiring, and wrong.