Laws shouldn't be based on morality - General

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17144608]Regulating freedoms = Telling you what you can and cannot do Telling you what you cannot do =(According to you) Facism[/QUOTE] There's a big difference between regulating freedoms that don't exist (like the freedom to take other people's freedoms) and the government owning your life.

This just in guys, Oecleus is a moron. GO HITLER GO!

Oecleus, what the hell are you doing I think you should go home and rethink your political views, hell, your views in general.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;17144566]He's been debating just like everyone else. Suck a dick.[/QUOTE] Yea, don't pick on my little brother! There is a reason why he is not defending himself and you are. Let's go through his posts from this thread.. "take cover, oecleus is going to say something stupid" "alcohol is a drug :sigh:" "This just in: Neolk is a fucking idiot." "MY DICK IS 13 INCHES BECAUSE I SAY SO IT'S ALL OBJECTIVE baaaaaaaaaaaaaaw" "whatever you want babe :pervert:" "bet you can't clap with one hand" "I think neolk is a misguided fallibilist. That or a complete idiot." "Has no one ever heard of rounding up?" - This one isn't in this thread, but it's pretty funny, seeing as how he thinks rounding up a number makes that number equilivant to the the previous number. This just in, 1/2 equals 1 "People can be abuse dihydrogen monoxide, too. We need to illegalize it immediately." "You heard it here first, guys. Water is dangerous as fuck." He has also done atleast over 4 "high five" posts in this thread. [QUOTE=Billiam;17144603]I'm not going to respond to the first one, because I addressed it prior. As for the second one, Insurance Fraud via suicide is illegal already, and second enough emotional distress from suicide doesn't factor in, emotional distress from plenty of other things can cause suicide. Bullying for example, if a child is bullied and commits suicide should the bullies be charged for murder?[/QUOTE] They should be charged for emotional distress. [QUOTE=Lankist;17144632]Uhh, no. Fascism is brutally silencing political dissidents. Arresting people before they commit a crime is fascism. Arresting someone who HAS committed a crime is not.[/QUOTE] Ugh. If I have 15 tons of dynamite, and I have a denoter in my pocket, and I go into a airport crowded with people, I would get arrested. I haven't denotated the dynamite yet, but I was arrested. The government would make sucidal thoughts that do not subside illegal, therefor I can help them get over those thoughts. It is not facism if the airport analogy isn't facism.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17144848]Yea, don't pick on my little brother! There is a reason why he is not defending himself and you are. [b]the reason is that I don't feel the need to defend myself because you are dumb[/b] Let's go through his posts from this thread.. "take cover, oecleus is going to say something stupid" [b]this has proven to be true[/b] "alcohol is a drug :sigh:" [b]I'm right in saying this, what's your point[/b] "This just in: Neolk is a fucking idiot." [b]read above[/b] "MY DICK IS 13 INCHES BECAUSE I SAY SO IT'S ALL OBJECTIVE baaaaaaaaaaaaaaw" [b]read below[/b] "whatever you want babe :pervert:" [b]suck a dick[/b] "bet you can't clap with one hand" [b]read above[/b] "I think neolk is a misguided fallibilist. That or a complete idiot." [b]read above[/b] "Has no one ever heard of rounding up?" - This one isn't in this thread, but it's pretty funny, seeing as how he thinks rounding up a number makes that number equilivant to the the previous number. This just in, 1/2 equals 1 [b]way to take a post out of context. the question was "why does 0.999.. equal 1?"[/b] "People can be abuse dihydrogen monoxide, too. We need to illegalize it immediately." [b]I was calling you stupid[/b] "You heard it here first, guys. Water is dangerous as fuck." [b]read above[/b] He has also done atleast over 4 "high five" posts in this thread. [b]why are you against bromance? you some kind of brophobe?[/b] [/QUOTE] way to go you're a creepy internet stalker here's your medal :11tea:

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17144848]Ugh. If I have 15 tons of dynamite, and I have a denoter in my pocket, and I go into a airport crowded with people, I would get arrested. I haven't denotated the dynamite yet, but I was arrested. The government would make sucidal thoughts that do not subside illegal, therefor I can help them get over those thoughts. It is not facism if the airport analogy isn't facism.[/QUOTE] No. Carrying explosives into an airport or any densely populated area is illegal regardless of license. Furthermore if you INTEND to detonate, that is conspiracy to commit mass murder. [editline]05:27PM[/editline] Please read some of your respective country's basic laws before continuing. [editline]05:28PM[/editline] Every first world country has an internet database of legislation.

Of course, if he didn't know something, that just furthers his strawman argument. GO HITLER GO! (If you didn't get it yet Oceleus, you're Hitler because you think the governments always right, If they told you to kill jews, would you? I mean, they're a threat to your life, so kill them right? They're unhealthy as shit.)

[QUOTE=KingPurge;17144917]Of course, if he didn't know something, that just furthers his strawman argument. GO HITLER GO! (If you didn't get it yet Oceleus, you're Hitler because you think the governments always right, If they told you to kill jews, would you? I mean, they're a threat to your life, so kill them right? They're unhealthy as shit.)[/QUOTE] Ahh yes, I've always said the government is right. Because I've said this several times right? And comparing me to hitler isn't a logical fallacy or anything. Neither is skewing my views and trying to debate your dreamed up views I have. [QUOTE=Lankist;17144873]No. Carrying explosives into an airport or any densely populated area is illegal regardless of license. Furthermore if you INTEND to detonate, that is conspiracy to commit mass murder.[/QUOTE] That is thought crime than, according to your standards applied to my own posts. Carrying explosives onto a plane isn't always an attempt to blow up a plane. Therefor, you are limiting a persons freedoms based off of a minorty. [QUOTE=Doriol;17144869]way to go you're a creepy internet stalker here's your medal :11tea:[/QUOTE] Not really, just recognizing your posts for what they are. I only had to go back into your "all posts by this user" is because I don't have a photographic memory.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17144956]That is thought crime than, according to your standards applied to my own posts. Carrying explosives onto a plane isn't always an attempt to blow up a plane. Therefor, you are limiting a persons freedoms based off of a minorty.[/QUOTE] Conspiracy to commit is not thought crime, it is conspiracy to commit. For the love of fuck go do at least a LITTLE bit of research into the basic tenants of First World law. You don't fucking understand the words you are saying.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17144956]Ahh yes, I've always said the government is right. Because I've said this several times right? And comparing me to hitler isn't a logical fallacy or anything. Neither is skewing my views and trying to debate your dreamed up views I have. [/QUOTE] hitler was a fascist. your beliefs are facist. therefore you are a fascist.

There are certain basic concepts about subjects that people must learn, before they get into an argument about the subject.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17144956]Ahh yes, I've always said the government is right. Because I've said this several times right? And comparing me to hitler isn't a logical fallacy or anything. Neither is skewing my views and trying to debate your dreamed up views I have. That is thought crime than, according to your standards applied to my own posts. Carrying explosives onto a plane isn't always an attempt to blow up a plane. Therefor, you are limiting a persons freedoms based off of a minorty. Not really, just recognizing your posts for what they are. I only had to go back into your "all posts by this user" is because I don't have a photographic memory.[/QUOTE] When you're this stupid, and really don't get anything said to you, all I have left is to throw out the text books and make as little sense as possible to try and get close to how you think. The only reason you would fly explosives is to transport them. No one does this because there are special way to transport explosives. This isn't limiting freedom because of the threat it poses, and the fact it limits everyones freedom to life. If i was debating the views I "Dreamed up" that you have, I would have lost because you would have called the SS on me.

[QUOTE=KingPurge;17145030]When you're this stupid, and really don't get anything said to you, all I have left is to throw out the text books and make as little sense as possible to try and get close to how you think. The only reason you would fly explosives is to transport them. No one does this because there are special way to transport explosives. This isn't limiting freedom because of the threat it poses, and the fact it limits everyones freedom to life. If i was debating the views I "Dreamed up" that you have, I would have lost because you would have called the SS on me.[/QUOTE] I like how you opted out of all the logical fallacies you tried to push on me. And you commited another, comparing me to controlling himmlers silencers. And yes, back when security was low, I'm sure there were several people who transported objects on planes that could be used to bring the plane down. [QUOTE=Lankist;17144985]Conspiracy to commit is not thought crime, it is conspiracy to commit. For the love of fuck go do at least a LITTLE bit of research into the basic tenants of First World law. You don't fucking understand the words you are saying.[/QUOTE] I don't know what definition you are using, but i'm using a thought crime as the thought of the crime. [QUOTE=Doriol;17144994]hitler was a fascist. your beliefs are facist. therefore you are a fascist.[/QUOTE] I've just said I wasn't a fascist. You are keeping up with your posts of of skiping all argument and stating your flawed opinion.

[QUOTE=Uberkitty;17108171]laws restricting gambling ... loss of property[/QUOTE] Gambling leads to loss of property.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17145099]I don't know what definition you are using, but i'm using a thought crime as the thought of the crime..[/QUOTE] Conspiracy to commit is not a thought of crime. Carrying armed contraband weaponry into an airport is not a thought, it is an action that breaks dozens of federal laws, not the least of which is conspiracy to commit mass murder, reckless endangerment of bystanders and carrying contraband on your person.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17145099]I like how you opted out of all the logical fallacies you tried to push on me. And you commited another, comparing me to controlling himmlers silencers. And yes, back when security was low, I'm sure there were several people who transported objects on planes that could be used to bring the plane down. I don't know what definition you are using, but i'm using a thought crime as the thought of the crime. I've just said I wasn't a fascist. You are keeping up with your posts of of skiping all argument and stating your flawed opinion.[/QUOTE] First of all, just because you say you aren't a facist doesn't mean in your case, that you're not. You believe the same key beliefs they do. So, you are one. And your definition of thought crime is wrong, don't use that one anymore. I didn't push any logical fallacies on you, I don't respect you, so why the fuck would I care? You're an idiot with bad opinions on how to run your life, government baby sitting isn't what anyone sane wants. Maybe the government should intervene in you being insane for that? Oh, and no, they wouldn't have transported it like that. Why? No one trusted planes as it was, so why would they do something even dumber? You base all your arguments on assuming everyone is as stupid as you. I've been debating you for like, 20 pages now, and you've yet to have any real points of merit.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17145138]Conspiracy to commit is not a thought of crime. Carrying armed contraband weaponry into an airport is not a thought, it is an action that breaks dozens of federal laws, not the least of which is conspiracy to commit mass murder, reckless endangerment of bystanders and carrying contraband on your person.[/QUOTE] Arrest all chemistry professors for conspiracy. Using conspiracy in the context you are using it in, a person is commiting it if they have the thought of doing it, and the ability of doing it. Therefore a large group of chemistry professors have, or are currently commiting conspiracy against the government.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17145183]Arrest all chemistry professors for conspiracy. Using conspiracy in the context you are using it in, a person is commiting it if they have the thought of doing it, and the ability of doing it. Therefore a large group of chemistry professors have, or are currently commiting conspiracy against the government.[/QUOTE] Do you know what conspiracy IS? It is not the CAPABILITY of committing crime, it is the INTENT to commit crime. Do you even understand how you prove something like that? How rigorous the standards of evidence for intent ARE?

The idea that arresting a person for carrying 15 tons of dynamite into an airport is fascism strikes me odd.

[QUOTE=Billiam;17145200]The idea that arresting a person for carrying 15 tons of dynamite into an airport is fascism strikes me odd.[/QUOTE] It's like pointing a gun at a man's head. You can act like you aren't doing anything wrong, but you are POINTING A GUN AT A MAN'S HEAD.

I don't think he's going to get the simple fact that he doesn't know what he's arguing, and doesn't have the knowledge to argue his point, which is non-existent.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17145196]Do you know what conspiracy IS? It is not the CAPABILITY of committing crime, it is the INTENT to commit crime. Do you even understand how you prove something like that? How rigorous the standards of evidence for intent ARE?[/QUOTE] I know the standard of evidence is low enough to give years of jailtime to someone is caught with denotable explosives on their person. All they are doing is having explosives, they may not even have the intention to explode it, but they are still going to get punished. It is therefore a thoughtcrime. A science professor may intend to blow up a government building, and may have the capability, but will he get punished? No. [QUOTE=KingPurge;17145180]First of all, just because you say you aren't a facist doesn't mean in your case, that you're not. You believe the same key beliefs they do. So, you are one. And your definition of thought crime is wrong, don't use that one anymore. I didn't push any logical fallacies on you, I don't respect you, so why the fuck would I care? You're an idiot with bad opinions on how to run your life, government baby sitting isn't what anyone sane wants. Maybe the government should intervene in you being insane for that? Oh, and no, they wouldn't have transported it like that. Why? No one trusted planes as it was, so why would they do something even dumber? You base all your arguments on assuming everyone is as stupid as you. I've been debating you for like, 20 pages now, and you've yet to have any real points of merit.[/QUOTE] "Just because you say I'm a fascist doesn't mean I am" there has been no argument that has proven I am a fascist, everyone has just been calling me it. People HAVE carried things on planes in the distant past that could bring down the plane. There is no way of saying this, it has happened. I'm not talking necessarily about a ton of dynamite, but other items. Here are the logical fallacies you have brought into the thread, please argue with wikipedia about it. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum[/url] "GO HITLER GO!" [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man[/url] "..because you think the governments always right"

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17145420]I know the standard of evidence is low [/QUOTE] I stopped right there. It isn't low at ALL. It is extremely high. You honestly aren't worth anyone's time, you're going to be an idiot regardless.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17145455]I stopped right there. It isn't low at ALL. It is extremely high. You honestly aren't worth anyone's time, you're going to be an idiot regardless.[/QUOTE] It took you an awful long time to "stop right there" but whatever. If I walk into an airport, with a gallon of gasoline in my suitcase, as well as 4 times as much fertilizer, will I not be punished regardless of my intention?

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17145483]It took you an awful long time to "stop right there" but whatever. If I walk into an airport, with a gallon of gasoline in my suitcase, as well as 4 times as much fertilizer, will I not be punished regardless of my intention?[/QUOTE] Yes, because those substances are contraband in airports as they endanger bystanders.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17145483]It took you an awful long time to "stop right there" but whatever. If I walk into an airport, with a gallon of gasoline in my suitcase, as well as 4 times as much fertilizer, will I not be punished regardless of my intention?[/QUOTE] I'm not going to argue with you anymore. You are an actual idiot. You should never debate anyone, you won't win, you'll just make them want to kill themselves due to your incredible stupidity. He already FUCKING OUTLINED EVERYTHING. YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AND ARE FORMING AN ARGUMENT OVER YOUR DELUSIONS.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17145588]Yes, because those substances are contraband in airports as they endanger bystanders.[/QUOTE] People with depression need to be treated as they endanger insurance companies and cause emotional harm to family members.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17145719]People with depression need to be treated as they endanger insurance companies and cause emotional harm to family members.[/QUOTE] That makes absolutely no sense. [editline]06:13PM[/editline] Nor is that anywhere near Conspiracy.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17145727]That makes absolutely no sense. [editline]06:13PM[/editline] Nor is that anywhere near Conspiracy.[/QUOTE] It does make sense. You are saying carrying explosive matieral on your person is a conspiracy to comit a crime, therefore a person with sucidal thoughts is commiting conspiracy to commit insurance fraud. Look at your own logic, then you will see logic flaw. [editline]06:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=KingPurge;17145696]I'm not going to argue with you anymore. You are an actual idiot. You should never debate anyone, you won't win, you'll just make them want to kill themselves due to your incredible stupidity. He already FUCKING OUTLINED EVERYTHING. YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AND ARE FORMING AN ARGUMENT OVER YOUR DELUSIONS.[/QUOTE] Admitting defeat in such a angry way is not smart.

[QUOTE=Oecleus;17145775]It does make sense. You are saying carrying explosive matieral on your person is a conspiracy to comit a crime, therefore a person with sucidal thoughts is commiting conspiracy to commit insurance fraud. Look at your own logic, then you will see logic flaw.[/QUOTE] A brain is not explosive material.