Laws shouldn't be based on morality - General

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17110276]Drugs do more than make the majority uncomfortable bub. In the meantime look at these teeth. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Suspectedmethmouth09-19-05.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Those are some purrty whites.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17110276]Drugs do more than make the majority uncomfortable bub. gimme a positive to meth. In the meantime look at these teeth. [/QUOTE] Oh ...Just.....really...thanks alot for that.....godammit. Aww and the guy above quoting it to really well done. Good job there.

[QUOTE=Cheezy;17110185]So educating people will stop them from killing eachother in drug induced rages? Basically a mental hospital with padded cells then?[/QUOTE] No, but being properly educated about a substance influences your decision to do them in the first place. For the longest time I thought alcohol was fine and weed was bad simply because I was misinformed and because of their legal status. That's stupid, because I'm a much better person after smoking weed than I am after drinking. And just look at statistics. Alcohol causes more harm than weed, it is a fact, and yet backwards assed laws allow alcohol consumption and prohibit weed. For the last time, it doesn't matter whether or not it's illegal, people are still going to take drugs and harm others while under their effects. I don't think there is going to be a drastic increase of drug use by non-users simply because they legally can all of a sudden. Why should the guy who is able to control himself and keep his habit to himself be punished because some other twat obviously shouldn't be using?

And then Uberkitty quotes it. TY

[QUOTE=Wangman;17110247]Regardless of how this debate may go, the fact is that laws will almost always be defined by morality. The only way it would go otherwise is if the majority of key politicians in a certain time frame were all totally amoral, [b]AND[/b] if the new laws that they passed into being didn't cause the citizens of whatever country they work for to revolt against them.[/QUOTE] Establishing laws based on individual liberty and asking politicians to make decisions based on the Constitution does not make politicians amoral, it only assures that they create laws based on American ideals rather then their morals. Also, if people do revolt because of this, then this is a nation I do not want to live in.

[QUOTE=The Epidemic;17108247]I'm sure you'll change your mind if somone kills your family infront of you.[/QUOTE] oh dear, someone stole his brain [editline]06:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=The Epidemic;17108328]--snip-- Child Porn would be perfectly fine, I guess.[/QUOTE] that effects the child dumb fuck

[QUOTE=Billiam;17110299][img]http://www.destination360.com/north-america/us/nevada/las-vegas/images/s/penn-and-teller.jpg[/img] These guys are doing pretty well. It is the responsibility of the people to question anything that affects them, to disagree from the norm, does not put your life in a hole.[/QUOTE] Lets not get into a picture war we cannot win no shall we.

Morality leads to things like gay marriage being illegal.

I am a firm believer in the right to choice. If I choose to do a drug and subsequently overdose on it or kill 9001 babies, that is MY FAULT. If I get drunk and hit a school bus with a semi-truck that would be my fault too. The drug didn't do it, my stupidity did, therefore I should be punished not the drug. If I do a drug and everything is fine [b][i]WHO THE FUCK CARES?!?![/i][/b] This goes for everything; unless my choice directly impacts somebody else in a negative way why do you give a shit? If I want to commit suicide that's my choice. Murder, CP, rape and all those other nasty acts directly effect the victim, often in horrible ways, they would still be illegal. There was a rule that my old grade school had. [b]"Nobody has the right to interfere with the learning and well being of others."[/b] That is the only law we really need.

Well at least there's one thing we agree on. automerge broken of course [B]EDIT:[/B] GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

[QUOTE=b00ce;17110464]I am a firm believer in the right to choice. If I choose to do a drug and subsequently overdose on it or kill 9001 babies, that is MY FAULT. If I get drunk and hit a school bus with a semi-truck that would be my fault too. The drug didn't do it, my stupidity did, therefore I should be punished not the drug. If I do a drug and everything is fine [b][i]WHO THE FUCK CARES?!?![/i][/b] This goes for everything; unless my choice directly impacts somebody else in a negative way why do you give a shit? If I want to commit suicide that's my choice. Murder, CP, rape and all those other nasty acts directly effect the victim, often in horrible ways, they would still be illegal. There was a rule that my old grade school had. [b]"Nobody has the right to interfere with the learning and well being of others."[/b] That is the only law we really need.[/QUOTE] Ok so say we have a drug that makes everyone go columbine every time. Should we just punish the users as they take the drug because they were idiots, or should we disallow people to take the drug at all? By granting you a ( relative to life ) mediocre freedom, we have ended the lives of thousands, and surly life itself is the most important freedom.

So if I bring up my child to have sex with me, and I teach her that this is normal practice should this be legal? She's not being harmed in any way, so it must be ok!

[QUOTE=b00ce;17110464]If I get drunk and hit a school bus with a semi-truck that would be my fault too. The drug didn't do it, my stupidity did, therefore I should be punished not the drug.[/QUOTE] No. This is why we ban drunk driving. Alcohol is a very mild drug. I won't ever drink it and I won't ever smoke. But I believe we should keep alcohol legal. Perhaps we should legalize marijuana, I don't know, but hell if I'm ever going to smoke it.

[QUOTE=Killoch0;17110520]Ok so say we have a drug that makes [b]everyone[/b] go columbine [b]every time[/b]. Should we just punish the users as they take the drug because they were idiots, or should we disallow people to take the drug at all?[/QUOTE] The answer is in front of you.

I couldn't care less if people wanted to fuck themselves up as long as I was left unaffected. More opportunities for me with people who are smart enough to not do stupid stuff without laws telling them not to.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17110552]No. This is why we ban drunk driving. Alcohol is a very mild drug. I won't ever drink it and I won't ever smoke. But I believe we should keep alcohol legal. Perhaps we should legalize marijuana, I don't know, but hell if I'm ever going to smoke it.[/QUOTE] Proving my point, people who don't do drugs, won't do drugs just because they can now.

[QUOTE=Billiam;17110574]The answer is in front of you.[/QUOTE] Holy fuck. I have never seen someone gloss so obviously over the meaning of a post in my life. Do you take classes on that or something?

[QUOTE=Malumbre;17110589]Proving my point, people who don't do drugs, won't do drugs just because they can now.[/QUOTE] Does not prove your point, I am an over intelligent individual, I am not a commonplace person. I sound like a douche.

[QUOTE=Killoch0;17110225] A belief that morality is somehow wrong, that laws are wrong, that the police are wrong, that legislators and the government is wrong, and that most people are wrong, will get you nowhere in life.[/QUOTE] Morality can't be wrong, because morals are completely subjective.

[QUOTE=Killoch0;17110608]Holy fuck. I have never seen someone gloss so obviously over the meaning of a post in my life. Do you take classes on that or something?[/QUOTE] I teach :smug:

[QUOTE=Uberkitty;17108171]In my opinion, laws should only serve to protect people and establishments from each other. Legislators should not make laws prohibiting victimless crimes and crimes which only harm one's self. I believe that laws which criminalize victimless crimes restrict personal freedoms while exhausting the capacity of prisons. This is why blue laws, laws restricting gambling, and drug laws are complete bullshit. Laws should only be in place to protect people from direct harm, such as the loss of property or bodily harm. My point is this: If it harms no one or only harms one's self it should be fully legal.[/QUOTE] uh no

[QUOTE=jaso31;17110579]I couldn't care less if people wanted to fuck themselves up as long as I was left unaffected. More opportunities for me with people who are smart enough to not do stupid stuff without laws telling them not to.[/QUOTE] I don't need laws telling me what to do, as long as I'm not hindering anyone life in a negative way, then I'm fine.

Also, I like how Malumbre didn't say anything about my nice meth mouth pic because he was the one that was talking about how we shouldn't censor the facts...

[QUOTE=Malumbre;17110436]Morality leads to things like gay marriage being illegal.[/QUOTE] and it could also lead to gay marriage being legal it swings both ways [editline]06:55PM[/editline] like a bisexual

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17110276]gimme a positive to meth.[/QUOTE] Doing meth gives you one of the best feelings possible.

No legitimate First World nation bases its laws on morality. The now near-universal definition of law is that which protects liberty in all of its forms, be they individual, corporate or otherwise.

[QUOTE=Billiam;17110681]Doing meth gives you one of the best feelings possible.[/QUOTE] And how many meth users are happy they began? Does it [I]matter[/I] how good meth makes you feel, if you [I]know[/I] that it's ruining your life and you wish you could quit?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17110700]And how many meth users are happy they began? Does it [I]matter[/I] how good meth makes you feel, if you [I]know[/I] that it's ruining your life and you wish you could quit?[/QUOTE] That's their job. It isn't my job to help anyone who's doing meth, it isn't anyone else's job to help me with my crutches either. Nobody is arguing drugs aren't harmful. They are. The issue is an individual's right to harm themselves. The sole proprietor of a body is its inhabitant.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17110700]And how many meth users are happy they began? Does it [I]matter[/I] how good meth makes you feel, if you [I]know[/I] that it's ruining your life and you wish you could quit?[/QUOTE] Tell the people that too, let 'em make decisions.

[QUOTE=Dank Dave;17110668]and it could also lead to gay marriage being legal it swings both ways[/QUOTE] Basing laws that affect millions of people off something as fluid as morality is stupid. Automerge, where are ye D: