Laws shouldn't be based on morality - General

[QUOTE=Billiam;17110722]Tell the people that too, let 'em make decisions.[/QUOTE] And it is by no means a universal philosophy that health comes first. Some of us don't want to die without any scars.

How did that not automerge?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17110661]Also, I like how Malumbre didn't say anything about my nice meth mouth pic because he was the one that was talking about how we shouldn't censor the facts...[/QUOTE] You shouldn't. I'm sure showing someone the results of meth will prevent them from doing it, again, despite their legalized status. I'm actually not sure of the pros for meth other than how it makes you feel while you're on it. I'm assuming it's positive, considering people do it. I know it's extremely addicting and detrimental to one's health and appearance, which is why I choose not to even bother trying it.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17110747]And it is by no means a universal philosophy that health comes first. Some of us don't want to die without any scars.[/QUOTE] As I said, give the children the facts, statistics, stories, and let 'em decide.

Refusing to do drugs for the sake of health is an awfully shortsighted philosophy. There are so many better reasons not to, but to worry so much about health is like holding a fortune that you never spend. Everyone dies, if you think a few more years is worth it that's fine, but you may well come to regret living a hundred years of misery compared to sixty of uninhibited pursuits of pleasure.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17110721]That's their job. It isn't my job to help anyone who's doing meth, it isn't anyone else's job to help me with my crutches either.[/QUOTE] I don't want to disrespect you if you really do have a disability. And I'm very sorry if I do. But, don't crutches ever impair you to the point that you do need help? Would you not accept help moving a 60 lb box? You're comparing two things. Crutches are an impairment, but if you have to use them, you can get from point A to point B generally without any help (outside your crutches). The problem comes when you try to do something that you can't. Isn't methamphetamine addiction sufficient to often need help to stop it? It's by no means YOUR burden. It's EVERYONE's burden.

[QUOTE=Malumbre;17110333]No, but being properly educated about a substance influences your decision to do them in the first place. For the longest time I thought alcohol was fine and weed was bad simply because I was misinformed and because of their legal status. That's stupid, because I'm a much better person after smoking weed than I am after drinking. And just look at statistics. Alcohol causes more harm than weed, it is a fact, and yet backwards assed laws allow alcohol consumption and prohibit weed. Why should the guy who is able to control himself and keep his habit to himself be punished because some other twat obviously shouldn't be using?[/QUOTE] I totally agree with you on the weed part, but not that much on the last sentence. Alcohol would never be legal if we would have discovered it today. The guy who can control himself obviously isn't concerned whether the drug is illegal or not, he can keep a secret, right?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17110814]I don't want to disrespect you if you really do have a disability. And I'm very sorry if I do. But, don't crutches ever impair you to the point that you do need help? Would you not accept help moving a 60 lb box? You're comparing two things. Crutches are an impairment, but if you have to use them, you can get from point A to point B generally without any help (outside your crutches). The problem comes when you try to do something that you can't. Isn't methamphetamine addiction sufficient to often need help to stop it? It's by no means YOUR burden. It's EVERYONE's burden.[/QUOTE] Are you fucking retarded? [editline]07:06PM[/editline] A crutch is a metaphor for habitual forms of reckless pleasure seeking. i.e. something to lean on in rough times.

[QUOTE=Dank Dave;17110668]and it could also lead to gay marriage being legal it swings both ways [editline]06:55PM[/editline] like a bisexual[/QUOTE] Morality shouldn't factor in, as it should be everyone's right to do as they please in a free nation. Why should the decision to bar one person from doing the same as another be decided by people's feelings on the matter? That's not freedom and equality. Things like gay marriage and drugs should be legal, regardless of whether or not someone thinks they're right or wrong. I'm talking about the States here mainly, of course, because I live in Canada and things are a little less insane here.

Oh wow, when did you change your avatar Lankist. I didn't recognize you. I know it can be used as a metaphor but I didn't want some guy going nuts about how I'm minimizing his disability.

Every so often I change it to catch people saying absolutely stupid things like you just did.

[QUOTE=Cheezy;17110815]I totally agree with you on the weed part, but not that much on the last sentence. Alcohol would never be legal if we would have discovered it today. The guy who can control himself obviously isn't concerned whether the drug is illegal or not, he can keep a secret, right?[/QUOTE] He's not concerned until he's somehow discovered and charged.

Fuck. [editline]06:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Malumbre;17110787]You shouldn't. I'm sure showing someone the results of meth will prevent them from doing it, again, despite their legalized status. I'm actually not sure of the pros for meth other than how it makes you feel while you're on it. I'm assuming it's positive, considering people do it. I know it's extremely addicting and detrimental to one's health and appearance, which is why I choose not to even bother trying it.[/QUOTE] The reason people do it the first time is because they're idiots. The reason they do it all the times after that is because they're addicted. We don't call "addiction" a pro.

[QUOTE=Uberkitty;17108171]In my opinion, laws should only serve to protect people and establishments from each other. Legislators should not make laws prohibiting victimless crimes and crimes which only harm one's self. I believe that laws which criminalize victimless crimes restrict personal freedoms while exhausting the capacity of prisons. This is why blue laws, laws restricting gambling, and drug laws are complete bullshit. Laws should only be in place to protect people from direct harm, such as the loss of property or bodily harm. My point is this: If it harms no one or only harms one's self it should be fully legal.[/QUOTE] You contradicted yourself. Outlawing murder [I]is based in morality[/I]. Therefore, if we are to establish laws only on this so called "common sense" and not morality, murder should be legal. Not that I want that to happen.

[QUOTE=Jenkem;17110950]You contradicted yourself. Outlawing murder [I]is based in morality[/I]. Therefore, if we are to establish laws only on this so called "common sense" and not morality, murder should be legal. Not that I want that to happen.[/QUOTE] No it isn't you nonce. Murder violates the rights of another individual, THAT's why it's illegal. Not because it's immoral. The idea is that you can do anything that does not impede anyone else's ability to do the same.

[QUOTE=Jenkem;17110950]You contradicted yourself. Outlawing murder [I]is based in morality[/I]. Therefore, if we are to establish laws only on this so called "common sense" and not morality, murder should be legal. Not that I want that to happen.[/QUOTE] Uhh, no. Outlawing murder is based on the fact that most people don't want to be fucking murdered and stand to lose more from being murdered than they could ever possibly gain from being allowed to murder.

If I knew how to use Greasemonkey I'd make a script that makes your avatar stop changing. [B]EDIT:[/B] oh hey Johnny's here Got those pics yet?

JohnnyMo1 is like the only person I FP I almost always agree with.

If they outlawed pencils, then only outlaws would have pencils. Thus we should legalize everything. If nothing is a crime there would be no crime. lol

Yeah, I don't know if he's said anything I disagree with. Maybe ages ago from when I didn't recognize his avatar. [B]EDIT:[/B] damn [B]EDIT2:[/B] Oh yeah he uses Chrome. Oh well firefox, chrome, no matter.

Drugs are outlawed for a reason, however, I see a contradiction when alcohol/cigarettes are legalized while marijuana isn't.

[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;17111040]Drugs are outlawed for a reason, however, I see a contradiction when alcohol/cigarettes are legalized while marijuana isn't.[/QUOTE] When you say X is Y for a reason you should probably consider mentioning what that reason is.

Ugh people in this thread just make me cringe with disappointment in the human race. And if you're wondering, I'm NOT cringing at the people who are supporting individual freedom.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;17111063]Ugh people in this thread just make me cringe with disappointment in the human race. And if you're wondering, I'm NOT cringing at the people who are supporting individual freedom.[/QUOTE] What exactly are you cringing at?

[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;17111040]Drugs are outlawed for a reason, however, I see a contradiction when alcohol/cigarettes are legalized while marijuana isn't.[/QUOTE] Drugs are not outlawed for any [B]good[/B] reason.

So Lankist you never said your opinion on seat belts. Or maybe you did, I mightn't have recognized your avatar.

[QUOTE=Kamikaze;17111074]What exactly are you cringing at?[/QUOTE] People saying that drugs should be illegal, or the people who just can't get their head around the fact that the OP is right. [editline]11:22PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Elecbullet;17111079]So Lankist you never said your opinion on seat belts. Or maybe you did, I mightn't have recognized your avatar.[/QUOTE] Seatbelts are awesome, laws requiring you to wear seatbelts are stupid. I know I'm not Lankist but I have a firm belief with this.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;17111086]People saying that drugs should be illegal, or the people who just can't get their head around the fact that the OP is right.[/QUOTE] So basically the people who claim to be for individual freedom, but only when it's something effecting them. [editline]11:22PM[/editline] I agree.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17110918]Fuck. [editline]06:12PM[/editline] The reason people do it the first time is because they're idiots. The reason they do it all the times after that is because they're addicted. We don't call "addiction" a pro.[/QUOTE] It still feels good. That's all I could come up with. I'm not saying it should be legal because of it's pros, I'm saying that people should be educated on the pros and cons and using drugs. When people realise that the cons outweight the pros by a tremendous amount, they're going to refrain from using. And if they're stupid enough to do it anyway, then maybe it's better that they simply kill themselves off. If you're going to ban things because they can harm you and get you high because you choose to intake them, you may as well ban simple things like nutmeg. It'll fuck you up, but take too much and it's toxic, as opposed to something like weed. [editline]07:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;17111040]Drugs are outlawed for a reason, however, I see a contradiction when alcohol/cigarettes are legalized while marijuana isn't.[/QUOTE] Explain.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;17111079]So Lankist you never said your opinion on seat belts. Or maybe you did, I mightn't have recognized your avatar.[/QUOTE] There is entirely no rational reason within the purview of the purpose of laws being to protect individual rights for not wearing a seatbelt to carry a criminal punishment. If there are ANY serious issues that arise in interpersional conflict they can easily be solved in civil court. The law was lobbied into place by malicious lobbyists on behalf of the insurance industry and it's a conflict of interest we simply choose not to acknowledge. Fuck everyone and their insurance rates. Fucking insurance payments do not necessitate banning something.