[QUOTE=eirexe;51766773]I don't understand the whole "posting from an iphone makes your ideology pointles argument"
you have to work with the tools the system gives you
"We will hang the capitalists with the rope that they sell us" is a perfect example of this, virtually all phone manufacturers exploit their workers at some point during the production chain, and the alternative is not to stop using them.[/QUOTE]
"So you think valid criticisms of capitalism exist? Tell me friend... Do you own things?"
[QUOTE=Tudd;51766129]There are rumors the police got a stand down order at a certain point.
[media]https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/826994747516473344[/media]
But the protesters were eventually broken up so take that is you will.[/QUOTE]
Cernovich isn't reputable.
[QUOTE=upsideonion;51766998]your wording + avatar made it seem like you were, my apologies[/QUOTE]
I don't see how you reached that conclusion, considering I have the flag of a democratic non-anarchist government in my avatar.
No problem, for the record I'm an Eurocommunist.
[QUOTE=Covalent;51766266]Do they have concealed carry license in that state? [B]I wouldn't be opposed to someone defending themselves with 9mm rounds in a few people.[/B]
Specially the ones bashing peoples heads in to cause blood to form.
[editline]2nd February 2017[/editline]
Anyone who attends and stays at a violent protest should be accountable for such. They're part of the problem.[/QUOTE]
You realize someone got shot at the Milo protest at UW in Seattle right?
A Trump supporter shot an Antifa protester he felt threatened by. Investigation is still pending, but several eyewitnesses state that the Antifa guy who was shot was trying to break up a fight when he was shot. Might have just stepped into the way (would make sense), which is an example of why pulling a gun in close quarters near packed people is a fucking retarded idea
How do you think the rest of the protesters at UW felt? Things had stayed non-violent up to that point, even if words had gotten terse (liberals shouted "Transgender welcome here", conservatives shouted back "Two genders!", etc). They didn't ask the Antifa dudes to show up and be shitters and get someone shot. I really have to doubt that the majority of the UC Berkeley protesters thought "yay, here come the Antifa folks!"
It's almost like there's a pattern of people using violence to prevent alt-right speakers from talking.
[QUOTE=Covalent;51766266]Do they have concealed carry license in that state? I wouldn't be opposed to someone defending themselves with 9mm rounds in a few people.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Covalent;51766415]If it's the only way to defend yourself from being beaten to death, then I'd rather take a few of them with me.[/QUOTE]
Your fantasies about shooting "leftists" are really creepy, dude.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51767220]Irony.
[media]https://twitter.com/Americooligan/status/827189826713710592[/media][/QUOTE]
I'm not seeing the irony
I saw much of it. At the end of the day, I am dissapointed with the campus. While the violence was conducted by antifa, many of the students watched idle and even cheered as they destroyed OUR property that WE paid for. It's so ironic, they threw rocks and fences at the MLK building which stands to commemorate MLK and his peaceful protests. Then, students and antifa fired fireworks and flares at the police and targeted trump supporters by ko'ing them. I'm liberal and I don't like Milo but this is plain wrong even if the student body didn't commit much of the destruction. UC Berkeley is the number 1 public university and top 10 university in the world, yet we fall into the mindset of mob mentality when one person comes to speak who has questionable ethics and ideals.
[QUOTE=343N;51766392]fucking and then they generalise it against all leftists
we're not all fucking bad
just like you're not all fucking bad. so please stop[/QUOTE]
Nobody said its all leftists. The problem is that the left is being transformed into a massive safe space, anti facist, social justice circle jerk in front of our eyes. It needs to be stopped and fixed if there is any hope for actual liberals. The same could be said with where the right is going with the super isolationist America Trump wants.
In fact, the same rationale can be said for radical islamists. Nobody is generalizing them, but it cannot be argued that Islam is a fundamentallly corrupted idealogy that has not seen major progressive to fit western values.
[QUOTE=dimitrik129;51768174]Nobody said its all leftists. The problem is that the left is being transformed into a massive safe space, anti facist, social justice circle jerk in front of our eyes. It needs to be stopped and fixed if there is any hope for actual liberals. The same could be said with where the right is going with the super isolationist America Trump wants.
In fact, the same rationale can be said for radical islamists. Nobody is generalizing them, but it cannot be argued that Islam is a fundamentallly corrupted idealogy that has not seen major progressive to fit western values.[/QUOTE]
Safe spaces (right also guilty of), social justice (not inherintly bad) and anti facist don't really seem to be core values of all the same people but ok. Not like those are the requirements to be a leftist seems like you threw out buzzwords
Also liberals=/=leftists
The left needs to divide itself up similar to how the right has done so ignorant people like you can't mix it all together into some shitty ball of ideals that don't really mix
Like do you think your average anarchist communist cares about social justice
Its majorly dissappointing to - I visit UC Berkeley frequently and plan to attend if I am accepted. Stuff like this makes me ask myself of it is even worth it.
[QUOTE=dimitrik129;51768207]Its majorly dissappointing to - I visit UC Berkeley frequently and plan to attend if I am accepted. Stuff like this makes me ask myself of it is even worth it.[/QUOTE]
Why'd you pick UC Berkeley?
[QUOTE=KillRay;51768194]Safe spaces (right also guilty of), social justice (not inherintly bad) and anti facist don't really seem to be core values of all the same people but ok. Not like those are the requirements to be a leftist seems like you threw out buzzwords
Also liberals=/=leftists
The left needs to divide itself up similar to how the right has done so ignorant people like you can't mix it all together into some shitty ball of ideals that don't really mix
Like do you think your average anarchist communist cares about social justice[/QUOTE]
It seems to be of the core values of the average liberal university student.
And again I am not saying problems only exist on the right, I just believe the ones we see on the left are the most immediate problem.
[editline]2nd February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51768220]Why'd you pick UC Berkeley?[/QUOTE]
Closest to family, and I know family friends who are alumni.
[QUOTE=dimitrik129;51768226]It seems to be of the core values of the average liberal university student.
And again I am not saying problems only exist on the right, I just believe the ones we see on the left are the most immediate problem.
[editline]2nd February 2017[/editline]
Closest to family, know family friends who are alumni.[/QUOTE]
I don't think liberal university students should be your basis for an entire politeral spectrum
[editline]2nd February 2017[/editline]
Also I'd say facism is a much more immediate threat/problem than anti facism
[QUOTE=KillRay;51768237]I don't think liberal university students should be your basis for an entire politeral spectrum
[editline]2nd February 2017[/editline]
Also I'd say facism is a much more immediate threat/problem than anti facism[/QUOTE]
My point is that they are the future of the party and the principles of that party. And by the way, the irony is that the anti-facists are the actual facists, if you havent realized that by now.
[QUOTE=dimitrik129;51768248] And by the way, the irony is that the anti-facists are the actual facists, if you havent realized that by now.[/QUOTE]
fucking hell guys stop saying this do you know how bloody stupid you sound
[QUOTE=dimitrik129;51768248]My point is that they are the future of the party and the principles of that party. And by the way, the irony is that the anti-facists are the actual facists, if you havent realized that by now.[/QUOTE]
The Democrat party barely represents the left enough as it is. It's to centrist. The future of the party will be reform according to many college students I speak to
And no... real fascists seem to be still facists. I've hated that quote because it's not like they've gone away. Currently with a huge rise in right wing populism/nationalism facism may soon be alive and well again
[QUOTE=papaya;51768253]fucking hell guys stop saying this do you know how bloody stupid you sound[/QUOTE]
I know it is an oxymoron, but that is the sad reality. And when I refer to anti-facists Im referring to the idiots in gas masks throwing molotovs because someone said something they disagree with.
[QUOTE=dimitrik129;51768266]I know it is an oxymoron, but that is the sad reality. And when I refer to anti-facists Im referring to the idiots in gas masks throwing molotovs because someone said something they disagree with.[/QUOTE]
Those could be anarchists and not antifast. Anarchists are pretty opportunistic
[QUOTE=dimitrik129;51768266]I know it is an oxymoron, but that is the sad reality. And when I refer to anti-facists Im referring to the idiots in gas masks throwing molotovs because someone said something they disagree with.[/QUOTE]
oh right, cus when I think fascism I think of the stereotypical anarchist and not of some white guy in a suit preaching white supremacy. the nazis sent their soldiers off with bandanas, makeshift molotovs and lead pipes to go torch the french cars.
anti-fascists cant possibly be fascists unless you're redefining it to mean 'someone i disagree with'.
[QUOTE=eirexe;51766319]fascism is not going to be politely argued out of existence.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry for reaching so high up in the thread, but a note of irony hit struck me.
According to your flagdog you're from Spain.
I wasn't aware of the bloody, decades long civil war that ultimately purged the Spanish fascists from power in the 70's. Nor was I aware of the mass execution of Franco's cronies after the fall of the Nationalist Spanish Hegemony. Truly, I'm missing out on a rich Spanish history, and important piece of contemporary European culture, not being aware of the large scale expurgation of the Spanish Nazis who ruled the country for approximately 30 to 40 years.
I'm glad that you have enlightened me, and made it clear that the only way to defeat Fascist is with blade and fire.
I guess in a way, TV used to pacify the masses and keep them from forming groups against each other. Nowadays it's every group for themselves with plenty of fake news from both sides flying around.
Freedom to be an individual without persecution should hold more value than special group membership - every group is human and accordingly contains a spectrum of idiocy throughout its "membership" or affiliation. Some groups are not even groups, but loosely applied labels for assignment purposes.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51768289]I'm sorry for reaching so high up in the thread, but a note of irony hit struck me.
According to your flagdog you're from Spain.
I wasn't aware of the bloody, decades long civil war that ultimately purged the Spanish fascists from power in the 70's. Nor was I aware of the mass execution of Franco's cronies after the fall of the Nationalist Spanish Hegemony. Truly, I'm missing out on a rich Spanish history, and important piece of contemporary European culture, not being aware of the large scale expurgation of the Spanish Nazis who ruled the country for approximately 30 to 40 years.
I'm glad that you have enlightened me, and made it clear that the only way to defeat Fascist is with blade and fire.[/QUOTE]
The Spanish republic resisted and lost, you don't win all wars, but what did you expect people to do?, debate with Franco?
If anything our civil war is a perfect example of how gathering together against fascism is a noble cause.
Are you seriously suggesting that the republican government should have just talked it out with them? not happening, they went directly for the neck.
[QUOTE=eirexe;51766387]Yeah you are right, Milo supports movements that would probably execute him if they had the chance.[/QUOTE]
He claims he does at least
I bet 90%+ of these people don't live anywhere near Berkeley
Hey guys, I actually go to UC Berkeley, and was there yesterday to check out the noise. As far we know so far, the protest actually started out pretty mellow. There were some flags waving around, and some general murmurs of talking like you'd hear at a protest.
Things escalated, however, when an anarchist group based in Oakland dressed in black called the AntiFa came. They started a lot of shit like throwing fireworks, and throwing rocks, and breaking glass windows. Sure, it's possible that some of our students could be some of those dressed in black, but it's still much more likely that this group in black just came and paraded their ideology, by breaking shit, and lighting things on fire.
Usually, I think we're pretty good about these kinds of things. The students here are generally pretty nice. Those stories about the girl wearing a MAGA hat (it was actually a "make bitcoin great again" hat) and her getting pepper sprayed, and the fires started, seem all caused by the AntiFa and not the students.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;51769427]dont feed the trolls
honestly, knowing milo's history, i doubt the dude even had a speech prepared. he was [I]counting[/I] on this. this was probably his plan the entire time. i doubt he was ever even going to give a speech.[/QUOTE]
Knowing Milo's history???
Uh, knowing Milo's history cause I actually watch him, he always has a speech and is extremely articulate.
Please show me any indicator you have in his history where he showed up unprepared who had nothing to say when saying he would.
[QUOTE=PelPix123;51769427]dont feed the trolls
honestly, knowing milo's history, i doubt the dude even had a speech prepared. he was [I]counting[/I] on this. this was probably his plan the entire time. i doubt he was ever even going to give a speech.[/QUOTE]
Why does it seem impossible for so many people here to agree that one side is shit without trying to instantly be apologetic for the other?
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